First completely random (and useless) off-season thread...

[Colts_Fan12]

If he was guaranteed to stay healthy Bob Sanders!!

[Naptown Lifer]

marvin

 

or maybe

 

anyone of the decent defenders polian just let leave:

thornton, june, washington, doss, garcon im sure there was more I was about 11-13 age when we had these guys, but always was sad when they left

 

but in order

 

marvin, saturday (look at satele), sanders, marlin jackson (to replace toler), and edge ( would have him higher, but I think ballard is the real deal)

[T Y Goodbye]

If we're still going to keep running a 2 back set..give me back Randy McMillan as a FB/HB...He could both run and catch well, and was a beast to take down.

[Malakai432]

lol

He was actually good for about thirty seconds in Oakland. Then got denied the Pro Bowl popularity contest, poor guy.

Pre injury Edge was a thing to behold. <---My choice.

Awesome choice, Edgerrin is my favorite player of all time.

I used to go crazy collecting his rookie cards and other Edge memorabilia. He was just a freak of nature.

[ÅÐØNϧ 1]

I take it you're not a Jeff George fan???

 

 

 

The only Jeff George fans in Indiana are related to him .

[Malakai432]

The only Jeff George fans in Indiana are related to him .

 

Possibly, I'm sure there may be at least one raging Jeff George fan in Indiana that's not related to him.  

[Jason_]

Cato June... Could you imagine him inside with Freeman... ridiculous

Yeah, June would get destroyed as a 3-4 ilb. I doubt he ever topped 220 lbs. Way too small.

[Jason_]

Freeney. If he was a rookie coming into a 3-4, he could be coached differently and become a much better all round player.

Just trying to be creative, so no need for anyone to get their cami's in a crease.

I was also going to say freeney

[New Zealands #1 Colts Fan]

Technically hes still a player but id pick Adam Vinatieri, then we wouldnt have to worry about a kicker for the next 20 years.

[Fx Stryker]

Here is my question. A lot are saying Marshall. So do we get the 4 years of Marshall and he leaves, or do we get a players career?

[jvan1973]

Here is my question. A lot are saying Marshall. So do we get the 4 years of Marshall and he leaves, or do we get a players career?

I based it on keeping him for his entire career

[colts_100nascar17fan]

Jeff Herrod LB.or Bill Brooks WR

[Pegs]

Mike Curtis.... We need someone that can tackle

Bringing back the "Mad Dog" Mike Curtis. My favorite Colts defensive player of all time. We need some mad dogs on the defensive side.

[Pombi9]

Cato June... Could you imagine him inside with Freeman... ridiculous

Love the Cato June reference! That guy was a beast. Hated when we lost him to Tampa.

[Jason_]

Love the Cato June reference! That guy was a beast. Hated when we lost him to Tampa.

 

no, he really wasn't.  He was simply the best of a really bad LB core.  Notice how his production dropped after leaving the Colts.  

[Pombi9]

no, he really wasn't.  He was simply the best of a really bad LB core.  Notice how his production dropped after leaving the Colts.  

What production drop off? Only stat he had that dropped was tackles/assists and anyone who actually remembers Cato June knows his speciality was a coverage cover 2 linebacker. Oh and if you wanna claim tackles = production you have A LOT of Pat Angerer defending to do around this forum....  also he was a MLB and people are still arguing tackles are misleading. Cato was not.

2003

•  
• IND

11 8 6 2 0.0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2004

•  
• IND

16 110 84 26 0.0 0 2 0 2 71 36 71 0 8 5 0 0 2005

•  
• IND

13 102 68 34 0.0 0 0 0 5 115 23 36 2 6 2 0 0 2006

•  
• IND

16 143 97 46 1.0 2 1 0 3 14 5 8 0 4 6 14 0 2007

•  
• TB

16 69 48 21 0.0 1 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 4 4 6 0 2008

•  
• TB

16 67 49 18 0.0 0 0 0 1 1 1 1 0 2 3 10

Too many fans look back at the past so negatively, lighten up man Cato was a integral part in our epic 2005 defense and a even more integral part in Indianapolis's only Superbowl. Cato June should remind us of awesome times with Dungy and a superbowl win. Shame it just brings up such negative emotions with some people. 

Also if Cato was so bad whom did we ever replace him with? Clint Session? a revolving door of low draft pick and FA's that lasted usually 1 season. Your acting like we cut Cato drafted Patrick willis and went on to actually have a great defense... You mention he was the best of a bad LB core but fail to mention how bad the LB core continued to get without him. Why is it so rational to you to ditch the best LB? I just don't see your logic at all.

[Jason_]

What production drop off? Only stat he had that dropped was tackles/assists and anyone who actually remembers Cato June knows his speciality was a coverage cover 2 linebacker. Oh and if you wanna claim tackles = production you have A LOT of Pat Angerer defending to do around this forum....  also he was a MLB and people are still arguing tackles are misleading. Cato was not.

2003

•  
• IND

11 8 6 2 0.0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2004

•  
• IND

16 110 84 26 0.0 0 2 0 2 71 36 71 0 8 5 0 0 2005

•  
• IND

13 102 68 34 0.0 0 0 0 5 115 23 36 2 6 2 0 0 2006

•  
• IND

16 143 97 46 1.0 2 1 0 3 14 5 8 0 4 6 14 0 2007

•  
• TB

16 69 48 21 0.0 1 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 4 4 6 0 2008

•  
• TB

16 67 49 18 0.0 0 0 0 1 1 1 1 0 2 3 10

Too many fans look back at the past so negatively, lighten up man Cato was a integral part in our epic 2005 defense and a even more integral part in Indianapolis's only Superbowl. Cato June should remind us of awesome times with Dungy and a superbowl win. Shame it just brings up such negative emotions with some people. 

Also if Cato was so bad whom did we ever replace him with? Clint Session? a revolving door of low draft pick and FA's that lasted usually 1 season. Your acting like we cut Cato drafted Patrick willis and went on to actually have a great defense... You mention he was the best of a bad LB core but fail to mention how bad the LB core continued to get without him. Why is it so rational to you to ditch the best LB? I just don't see your logic at all.

 

 

I never said nor even implied that the LB core and/or defense got miraculously better without him.  I just said he was the best of a really bad crop of LBs that did not start with, nor end with him.  Polian never put much stock in either OLB position.  The only one he kept around was Brackett and he was only average at best. 

 

The Colts had a long run of terrible LB's under Dungy/Polian...Gilbert Gardner, Cato June, Gary Brackett, Freddy Keiaho, etc etc.  Session was actually the first in a long time to show some promise but he left for more money the second he became a FA.  

 

Just because June was good for a few years in Dungy's tampa 2 does not mean he was a beast LB.  If he was such a beast, why would his production drop nearly in half in the 2 years he was in Tampa and then he pretty much disappeared from the league.  The guy is RIGHT NOW 34 years old.  There are several LB's still playing strongly at that age yet Cato June has only played in one game since 2008.  

[Pombi9]

I never said nor even implied that the LB core and/or defense got miraculously better without him.  I just said he was the best of a really bad crop of LBs that did not start with, nor end with him.  Polian never put much stock in either OLB position.  The only one he kept around was Brackett and he was only average at best. 

 

The Colts had a long run of terrible LB's under Dungy/Polian...Gilbert Gardner, Cato June, Gary Brackett, Freddy Keiaho, etc etc.  Session was actually the first in a long time to show some promise but he left for more money the second he became a FA.  

 

Just because June was good for a few years in Dungy's tampa 2 does not mean he was a beast LB.  If he was such a beast, why would his production drop nearly in half in the 2 years he was in Tampa and then he pretty much disappeared from the league.  The guy is RIGHT NOW 34 years old.  There are several LB's still playing strongly at that age yet Cato June has only played in one game since 2008.  

Really Brackett a terrible linebacker? Here is a link to a bleacher report article that has him as the best Colts linebacker of all time with stats and and argument to back it up :http://bleacherreport.com/articles/336031-the-best-indianapolis-colts-of-all-time-the-defense

(not saying I 100% agree with the article but I am trying to put some perspective on your absurd view with no stats or anything to back it up that hes "terrible".)

Also you can't have your cake and eat it too, you claim Cato was simply a Tampa 2 linebacker and nothing more, but than in your very next post claim that he is not in the league anymore due to physical skill and that is your main argument why he is "bad" and completely ignore your previous point about the Tampa 2 system and seem to conveniently forget that no team in the NFL runs the Tampa 2 anymore, few still mix in some cove 2 every now and again but that is not even close. Also you fail to mention the 34 year old LB's in the league are far from coverage LB's (which we had already established Cato was) you are comparing apples to oranges here.

I think the strange pent up frustration you have with all these linebackers throughout this era is not with the players themselves or even their skills or abilities. I think you are more angry at the system than you realize or are allowing us to realize. It's a fun offseason thread no one is really talking about signing cato 34 years off the couch into Pagano's system, perhaps you can argue with the posters whom are choosing edge because we already have T-rich... Remember the title to this thread...

[Jason_]

Really Brackett a terrible linebacker? Here is a link to a bleacher report article that has him as the best Colts linebacker of all time with stats and and argument to back it up :http://bleacherreport.com/articles/336031-the-best-indianapolis-colts-of-all-time-the-defense

(not saying I 100% agree with the article but I am trying to put some perspective on your absurd view with no stats or anything to back it up that hes "terrible".)

Also you can't have your cake and eat it too, you claim Cato was simply a Tampa 2 linebacker and nothing more, but than in your very next post claim that he is not in the league anymore due to physical skill and that is your main argument why he is "bad" and completely ignore your previous point about the Tampa 2 system and seem to conveniently forget that no team in the NFL runs the Tampa 2 anymore, few still mix in some cove 2 every now and again but that is not even close. Also you fail to mention the 34 year old LB's in the league are far from coverage LB's (which we had already established Cato was) you are comparing apples to oranges here.

I think the strange pent up frustration you have with all these linebackers throughout this era is not with the players themselves or even their skills or abilities. I think you are more angry at the system than you realize or are allowing us to realize. It's a fun offseason thread no one is really talking about signing cato 34 years off the couch into Pagano's system, perhaps you can argue with the posters whom are choosing edge because we already have T-rich... Remember the title to this thread...

 

I wasn't the one who brought up Cato June in this thread in the first place.  I have absolutely no problem admitting I hated Dungy's defensive philosophy.  I've never said anything to the contrary.  I've hated his defensive philosophy since he was DC at Minnesota.  Warren Sapp is really the only reason his defense worked as well as it did in Tampa.  Sapp was a rare DT that could stop the run as well as he could rush the passer. 

 

However, my frustration with the LB's of Dungy's tenure here have nothing to do with the hatred I have towards Dungy's philosophy but rather to the fact that none of them were very good.  You keep talking about how June was a coverage LB.  He was the Will LB in Dungy's defense.  The Will LB in Dungy's defense is NOT simply a cover LB.  He also is responsible for making the majority of tackles in the run game.  One of the things Dungy's defense does is try to force run plays to the weak side to allow the Will LB to make the tackle.  So the Will LB has to be good in coverage but also a good, physical tackler.  Lance Briggs was the Will LB (same position as Cato June) in Chicago while Urlacher was there.  Briggs is essentially the prototypical Will LB for a cover 2/tampa 2 defense.  

 

As to Brackett...first of all...bleacher report.  Really?  And again, no I did not think Brackett was a good LB.  he was serviceable in Dungy's defense because of his cover ability, but like all of the other LB's that came through during Dungy's time here, he was a liability against the run.  Now I will grant you that part of that was scheme related, but even take scheme out of the equation and he was hardly the physical presence I would want at MLB.  On any other team not coached by Dungy he would have been a rotational Nickel LB at best.  Is he one of the best LB's the Colts have ever had?  I don't know and really don't care because again, just because he was the shiniest turd in the bowl doesn't mean he wasn't still...well, you get it. ;)

 

 

 

ps.

 It's a fun offseason thread no one is really talking about signing cato 34 years off the couch into Pagano's system

 GOCOLTS_ROLLTIDE's answer to THIS THREAD was Cato June.  Even if June was coming straight out of Michigan he would in no way be a fit in Pagano's defense as a LB.  In fact, I would be hard pressed to believe that any team in the league would play him at LB and not Safety...Safety being the position he played during the majority of his time at Michigan. 

[Pombi9]

 

I wasn't the one who brought up Cato June in this thread in the first place.  I have absolutely no problem admitting I hated Dungy's defensive philosophy.  I've never said anything to the contrary.  I've hated his defensive philosophy since he was DC at Minnesota.  Warren Sapp is really the only reason his defense worked as well as it did in Tampa.  Sapp was a rare DT that could stop the run as well as he could rush the passer. 

 

However, my frustration with the LB's of Dungy's tenure here have nothing to do with the hatred I have towards Dungy's philosophy but rather to the fact that none of them were very good.  You keep talking about how June was a coverage LB.  He was the Will LB in Dungy's defense.  The Will LB in Dungy's defense is NOT simply a cover LB.  He also is responsible for making the majority of tackles in the run game.  One of the things Dungy's defense does is try to force run plays to the weak side to allow the Will LB to make the tackle.  So the Will LB has to be good in coverage but also a good, physical tackler.  Lance Briggs was the Will LB (same position as Cato June) in Chicago while Urlacher was there.  Briggs is essentially the prototypical Will LB for a cover 2/tampa 2 defense.  

 

As to Brackett...first of all...bleacher report.  Really?  And again, no I did not think Brackett was a good LB.  he was serviceable in Dungy's defense because of his cover ability, but like all of the other LB's that came through during Dungy's time here, he was a liability against the run.  Now I will grant you that part of that was scheme related, but even take scheme out of the equation and he was hardly the physical presence I would want at MLB.  On any other team not coached by Dungy he would have been a rotational Nickel LB at best.  Is he one of the best LB's the Colts have ever had?  I don't know and really don't care because again, just because he was the shiniest turd in the bowl doesn't mean he wasn't still...well, you get it. ;)

 

 

 

ps.

 

 GOCOLTS_ROLLTIDE's answer to THIS THREAD was Cato June.  Even if June was coming straight out of Michigan he would in no way be a fit in Pagano's defense as a LB.  In fact, I would be hard pressed to believe that any team in the league would play him at LB and not Safety...Safety being the position he played during the majority of his time at Michigan. 

 

I knew there had to be a massive hidden hatred of the system! No one just illogically hates every Colts linebacker of that era like that without some ulterior hatred.

Also you bash bleacher report but have no argument to the contrary with any stats of any sort to back up your claim that the author is wrong, obviously you never clicked on the link just looked at the website and discredited it because I posted it, so I am done with this petty discussion because at this point you clearly don't care what I have to say your hate is blinding you.

Where Did I say he would be a fit coming straight out of Michigan please show me... Oh wait you cant... You don't actually read my posts or click any links just assume and keep throwing out your random opinions and baseless accusations. I was the first one to say he was only a TAMPA 2 linebacker (which is why I was claiming he was no longer in the league and you were claiming it was because of talent remember?) now 4 posts later that's your main point? sheesh... Whered your physical skills and talent argument go? right out the window?

P.S you choose FREENEY, remember why the Colts moved on from him him? He doesn't fit paganos system either, man some serious hypocrisy here pretty sure your just trolling me now after I read that. Your entire argument against June works against Freeney too, doesn't fit the system too old. I am like 99% sure I've been trolled now. Done reading/responding to you thought we were actually gonna have a legit discussion here.

[dudeski]

Cato June... Could you imagine him inside with Freeman... ridiculous

god no

That dude sucked

[Jason_]

dear god.

 

I knew there had to be a massive hidden hatred of the system! No one just illogically hates every Colts linebacker of that era like that without some ulterior hatred.

 

1. My hatred of Dungy's system has NEVER been hidden.  2. I never said I hated every LB of that era.  I said none of the LB's from that era were very good.  NONE of them were "beasts" which was the point I was initially arguing against.  In no world was Cato June a beast.

 

Also you bash bleacher report but have no argument to the contrary with any stats of any sort to back up your claim that the author is wrong, obviously you never clicked on the link just looked at the website and discredited it because I posted it, so I am done with this petty discussion because at this point you clearly don't care what I have to say your hate is blinding you.

 

I didn't discredit anything just because you posted it.  I discredited it because it's BleacherReport.  You are correct though, I never even opened it.  I don't need to read someone else's report about Gary Brackett when I watched him every year he was here.  What stats do you want me to provide?  Just because these guys wracked up some stats while they were Colts does not mean they were overall good players at their positions.  The most telling stat is that none of the Polian-drafted "Dungy-scheme" LB's had any kind of productive career after leaving the Colts.  I think June had the best career after leaving the Colts and that consisted of 2 mediocre years with a team that ran a very similar scheme that loved him so much they cut him 2 years into his contract.  He played in one game after that.

 

**edit, I forgot that David Thornton was a Polian pick.  HE went on to have a productive career after leaving the Colts.

 

 

Where Did I say he would be a fit coming straight out of Michigan please show me... Oh wait you cant... You don't actually read my posts or click any links just assume and keep throwing out your random opinions and baseless accusations.

 

The point of this thread, to my understanding, is which previous Colt player would you want to join the team right now to play out their entire careers.  So if the answer is Cato June, then the Cato June we'd be getting is the one right out of Michigan.  Regardless, at no point in his career was Cato June a fit for the current Colts defense.  Therefore, I have no idea why he would have been an answer to this thread.  

 

I was the first one to say he was only a TAMPA 2 linebacker (which is why I was claiming he was no longer in the league and you were claiming it was because of talent remember?) now 4 posts later that's your main point? sheesh... Whered your physical skills and talent argument go? right out the window?

 

I agree that June would only work as a LB in a Tampa2 scheme but even in that regard he was still VERY undersized in a defense that already focused on undersized players.  What I don't get though is you state that he was only a tampa 2 LB and you claim that's why he's out of the league but that makes no sense.  There are still teams that run plenty of tampa 2 coverage from a cover 2 base.  Yet, none of these other teams that run similar schemes had any use for June so he's now out of the league.  That, imo, points directly to his lack of physical ability and/or talent.  If he was a "beast" even just in a tampa 2 defense then why did none of the teams that still ran tampa 2 not make any use of him?

 

P.S you choose FREENEY, remember why the Colts moved on from him him? He doesn't fit paganos system either, man some serious hypocrisy here pretty sure your just trolling me now after I read that. Your entire argument against June works against Freeney too, doesn't fit the system too old.

 

I realize I chose Freeney.  Again, my understanding to the point of this thread was that we would be getting a past Colt player but as a rookie to have them play the rest of their careers with the current Colts team. If that is the case then I have no problem believing that a young Freeney could have been taught how to play OLB in the current hybrid scheme.  Hell, Freeney played relatively well before getting hurt as an OLB in San Diego's scheme.  He was let go by current Colts management because of his cost and age.  

[Pombi9]

dear god.

 

 

 

 

1. My hatred of Dungy's system has NEVER been hidden.  2. I never said I hated every LB of that era.  I said none of the LB's from that era were very good.  NONE of them were "beasts" which was the point I was initially arguing against.  In no world was Cato June a beast.

 

 

 

 

I didn't discredit anything just because you posted it.  I discredited it because it's BleacherReport.  You are correct though, I never even opened it.  I don't need to read someone else's report about Gary Brackett when I watched him every year he was here.  What stats do you want me to provide?  Just because these guys wracked up some stats while they were Colts does not mean they were overall good players at their positions.  The most telling stat is that none of the Polian-drafted "Dungy-scheme" LB's had any kind of productive career after leaving the Colts.  I think June had the best career after leaving the Colts and that consisted of 2 mediocre years with a team that ran a very similar scheme that loved him so much they cut him 2 years into his contract.  He played in one game after that.

 

**edit, I forgot that David Thornton was a Polian pick.  HE went on to have a productive career after leaving the Colts.

 

 

 

 

 

The point of this thread, to my understanding, is which previous Colt player would you want to join the team right now to play out their entire careers.  So if the answer is Cato June, then the Cato June we'd be getting is the one right out of Michigan.  Regardless, at no point in his career was Cato June a fit for the current Colts defense.  Therefore, I have no idea why he would have been an answer to this thread.  

 

 

 

 

I agree that June would only work as a LB in a Tampa2 scheme but even in that regard he was still VERY undersized in a defense that already focused on undersized players.  What I don't get though is you state that he was only a tampa 2 LB and you claim that's why he's out of the league but that makes no sense.  There are still teams that run plenty of tampa 2 coverage from a cover 2 base.  Yet, none of these other teams that run similar schemes had any use for June so he's now out of the league.  That, imo, points directly to his lack of physical ability and/or talent.  If he was a "beast" even just in a tampa 2 defense then why did none of the teams that still ran tampa 2 not make any use of him?

 

 

 

 

I realize I chose Freeney.  Again, my understanding to the point of this thread was that we would be getting a past Colt player but as a rookie to have them play the rest of their careers with the current Colts team. If that is the case then I have no problem believing that a young Freeney could have been taught how to play OLB in the current hybrid scheme.  Hell, Freeney played relatively well before getting hurt as an OLB in San Diego's scheme.  He was let go by current Colts management because of his cost and age.  

You really believe teams still run the Tampa 2 defense? Please elaborate which teams? I'd love to hear. Like I said earlier some teams mix in some cover 2 and such but there are no tampa 2 teams left and there have not been for quite some time. You need to realize that to understand what I and the bleacher report article you refused to read said.

Also the Colts would not draft a young Freeney he doesn't fit the system sorry you have the same nostalgia towards him I have towards Cato you are just blinded by hatred and can't see that. I'm sorry but the Colts did not let Freeney go due to cost or age, neither of those things affected Mathis because he FIT the Colts system. Had Freeney also fit we never would have spent tons on Jean-Francois and Welden, as well as a 1st round pick on Werner. But I'm sure deep down you know that. 

P.S at least capitalize God when you wanna get dramatic when you are trolling.

[Jason_]

You really believe teams still run the Tampa 2 defense? Please elaborate which teams? I'd love to hear. Like I said earlier some teams mix in some cover 2 and such but there are no tampa 2 teams left and there have not been for quite some time. You need to realize that to understand what I and the bleacher report article you refused to read said.

Also the Colts would not draft a young Freeney he doesn't fit the system sorry you have the same nostalgia towards him I have towards Cato you are just blinded by hatred and can't see that. I'm sorry but the Colts did not let Freeney go due to cost or age, neither of those things affected Mathis because he FIT the Colts system. Had Freeney also fit we never would have spent tons on Jean-Francois and Welden, as well as a 1st round pick on Werner. But I'm sure deep down you know that. 

P.S at least capitalize God when you wanna get dramatic when you are trolling.

 

good god.  No team ever ran tampa 2 coverage 100% of the time, and that's all tampa 2 is...a specific coverage type.  Now, Dungy and Kiffin did make some other tweaks with the way the DL lined up and how they wanted the play to flow, but "tampa 2" simply describes a modified, hybrid version of a cover 2 and cover 3 zone.  So I repeat, no team EVER ran tampa 2 coverage all of the time, but the vast majority of teams have tampa 2 coverage in their playbooks and use it on occasion.  Chicago, Detroit, Minnesota and Tampa are all teams who's defenses were molded from the same base system as Indy when Dungy/Caldwell were here.

 

Now, let's assume there used to be teams that DID run tampa 2 coverage all of the time but there aren't any more, there are still teams with needs for coverage LB's to play in Nickel and Dime packages.  So if guys like Brackett, June, and countless others were really all that good, another team would have picked them up and gotten use out of their "abilities".  

 

I also have no nostalgia for Freeney.  However, I acknowledge that he was an exceptional pass rusher with some rare athletic abilities.  You really don't think his age had anything to do with him not being re-signed?  Yes Mathis was kept, which was a surprise to about 95% of, um, everyone.  Mathis was brought back on a team-friendly deal that did not break the bank.  History suggests that Freeney would not have done the same thing.  However, even if he were willing to do the same, the Colts had did not need 2 speed rushers nearing the ends of their careers.  

 

Had Freeney also fit we never would have spent tons on Jean-Francois and Welden, as well as a 1st round pick on Werner

 

There are so many things wrong with this sentence, I'm not even sure where to start. lol

 

1. Freeney being kept would have had no bearing on the RJF and Walden signings because they play different positions
2. We didn't spend "tons" on RJF and Walden.  Their contracts are on par with other players at the same positions.
3. So if we'd kept Freeney then we would have had no use for a young pass rusher in the draft?  If we'd re-signed Freeney, he would have played for another 10+ years then I take it?  

But I'm sure you knew all that already.  Right? ;)

[NewColtsFan]

While I completely admire and respect the OP's thread title of this being the first completely random and useless thread, I'd just like to say -- editorially speaking -- that it's not.

 

It's really, really not.

 

We've had a number of other very random and very useless threads already this offseason.    Only the OP's in those cases, didn't realize it!

 

Sorry.....    there's my random cheap shot for the day!     

 

 

(Forgive me!  Sometimes, I'm a bad, bad boy!)

[Pombi9]

good god.  No team ever ran tampa 2 coverage 100% of the time, and that's all tampa 2 is...a specific coverage type.  Now, Dungy and Kiffin did make some other tweaks with the way the DL lined up and how they wanted the play to flow, but "tampa 2" simply describes a modified, hybrid version of a cover 2 and cover 3 zone.  So I repeat, no team EVER ran tampa 2 coverage all of the time, but the vast majority of teams have tampa 2 coverage in their playbooks and use it on occasion.  Chicago, Detroit, Minnesota and Tampa are all teams who's defenses were molded from the same base system as Indy when Dungy/Caldwell were here.

 

Now, let's assume there used to be teams that DID run tampa 2 coverage all of the time but there aren't any more, there are still teams with needs for coverage LB's to play in Nickel and Dime packages.  So if guys like Brackett, June, and countless others were really all that good, another team would have picked them up and gotten use out of their "abilities".  

 

I also have no nostalgia for Freeney.  However, I acknowledge that he was an exceptional pass rusher with some rare athletic abilities.  You really don't think his age had anything to do with him not being re-signed?  Yes Mathis was kept, which was a surprise to about 95% of, um, everyone.  Mathis was brought back on a team-friendly deal that did not break the bank.  History suggests that Freeney would not have done the same thing.  However, even if he were willing to do the same, the Colts had did not need 2 speed rushers nearing the ends of their careers.  

 

 

 

 

There are so many things wrong with this sentence, I'm not even sure where to start. lol

 

1. Freeney being kept would have had no bearing on the RJF and Walden signings because they play different positions
2. We didn't spend "tons" on RJF and Walden.  Their contracts are on par with other players at the same positions.
3. So if we'd kept Freeney then we would have had no use for a young pass rusher in the draft?  If we'd re-signed Freeney, he would have played for another 10+ years then I take it?  

But I'm sure you knew all that already.  Right? ;)

I thought I was pretty clear asking not to mention God on here and if you needed to that you should at least capitalize it. (the very next thing you typed proved your trolling motives to me and this whole forum)

Go off and troll someone else dude, you are obviously saying things to get a rise out of me on a religious basis because you saw it bothered me. I will no longer respond to things or discuss them with you because you can't stick to football and have mentioned "God" in both of your lasts posts. This is not that kind of forum I advise you keep it to football without hidden jabs like that, from here on out or others will put you on ignore as  well.

Hopefully next discussion you have with someone you can have it without being so condescending of others religions but you won't fool me again with your troll bait, no way.

The internet is full of different types of forums where you can get into the argument you are looking for, but I won't fall into your trap of doing it here.

[Jason_]

your post here

 

LOL..I've been around this site since July 2011 and have been just fine.  I was also around on the old forum before the conversion so...I think I'll be ok. ;)  But thanks for your....concern.