Scheme look familar?

[CR91]

Anyone else notice pats did the same defensive scheme to the Steelers that they do to us? Have a corner play man with a safety on top to stop the top wr, stack the box to stop the run, and force the qb to beat you using the other weapons. I can understand it working on us with our lack of running game, but how did it work on the steelers? Even before bell got hurt, their offense was dismal. Why don't more teams do this?

[The Peytonator]

Pats are just too *' good man....and they do it with a bunch of no-name, rejects that played lacrosse for Monmouth. It's pretty amazing, and I'm jealous. I hope Matty Ice can beat them.

[chad72]

28 minutes ago, CR91 said:

Anyone else notice pats did the same defensive scheme to the Steelers that they do to us? Have a corner play man with a safety on top to stop the top wr, stack the box to stop the run, and force the qb to beat you using the other weapons. I can understand it working on us with our lack of running game, but how did it work on the steelers? Even before bell got hurt, their offense was dismal. Why don't more teams do this?

 

Because they don't have the confidence in either their coaching or the safety to take away the best guy along with a non-#1 CB. We tried once with VD and Mike Adams on AB and Big Ben still rifled a pass between the two. 

 

It is about matching the foot speed and quickness, more than #1 or #2. Chris Harris Jr. is their #2 CB but as a slot CB, he is deadly for the Broncos, so Wade put him on the quicker and shiftier Edelman while they put big bully Talib to take out Gronk as much as possible. If Darius Butler has the foot speed as a free safety, put him along with another speedy CB (that is not VD) on AB while letting VD take out their #2 Martavis Bryant who is bigger than fast (ala DT that VD matches up well with). One year Jack Del Rio put Talib on T.Y., T.Y. roasts him in the playoffs and we move on to the AFCCG.

 

Also, being aware of where AB is and getting in the passing lanes would help as well. QBs like to put the ball where only their WR can catch it, so you have to understand spatial awareness in zones as a defender too. When LeVeon Bell is in the line up, AB is more dangerous because the LBs cannot cheat as much because they have to honor the YAC possibility with Bell catching, something DeAngelo Williams cannot bring. Hence, without Big Ben playing, AB caught more yards vs the Patriots in Pitt. than he did in the AFCCG yesterday. 

 

That SB drop by Welker in the Indy SB vs Giants, Brady had to put it there because he saw the safety leaning and did not want to lead Welker into the safety, so it ended up being a tad behind Welker. However, you don't hear it as a good play by the safety though he affected it by being at the right spot to alter the throw a tad bit.

 

Go watch the film of how the 3 man CBs of the Broncos played Aaron Rodgers and limited him to 77 yards of passing in that 2015 season, how they played the passing lanes and forced him to hold the ball and eventually he had to throw it away. That was textbook DB coaching. 

 

Then, you watch Mike McCarthy scheme DaVante Adams open vs the Patriots in 2014 when Revis and Browner were locking down Cobb and Nelson. That is why a coach like Pete Carroll noticed the same thing and did not call Baldwin and Kearse's number often early on, it was an unknown 3rd option named Chris Matthews that gave the Pats fits in that Pats-Seahawks SB. Identify that 3rd option quickly vs the Pats and as soon as they shift focus to that 3rd option, go back to your 1st or 2nd option where they may have shifted the guy that was playing the 3rd option.

[CR91]

6 minutes ago, chad72 said:

 

Because they don't have the confidence in either their coaching or the safety to take away the best guy. We tried once with VD and Mike Adams on AB and Big Ben still rifled a pass between the two. 

 

It is about matching the foot speed and quickness, more than #1 or #2. Chris Harris Jr. is their #2 CB but as a slot CB, he is deadly for the Broncos, so Wade put him on the quicker and shiftier Edelman while they put big bully Talib to take out Gronk as much as possible. If Darius Butler has the foot speed as a free safety, put him along with another speedy CB (that is not VD) on AB while letting VD take out their #2 Martavis Bryant who is bigger than fast (ala DT that VD matches up well with). One year Jack Del Rio put Talib on T.Y., T.Y. roasts him in the playoffs and we move on to the AFCCG.

 

Also, being aware of where AB is and getting in the passing lanes would help as well. QBs like to put the ball where only their WR can catch it, so you have to understand spatial awareness in zones as a defender too. That SB drop by Welker in the Indy SB vs Giants, Brady had to put it there because he saw the safety leaning and did not want to lead Welker into the safety, so it ended up being a tad behind Welker. However, you don't hear it as a good play by the safety though he affected it by being at the right spot to alter the throw a tad bit.

 

Go watch the film of how the 3 man CBs of the Broncos played Aaron Rodgers and limited him to 77 yards of passing in that 2015 season, how they played the passing lanes and forced him to hold the ball and eventually he had to throw it away. That was textbook DB coaching. 

 

That was a great read thank you. I do wonder why we put Davis on faster wrs when he seems to really struggle covering them

[-JJ-]

obviously there's more to the game plan then that.

 

First to play man to man you need the right personnel. Steelers do not and thus play zone.

We did this season but you don't play man to man every play because a) you need to change it up and b) DBs get tired always running with a WR so you play some zone to rest them somewhat.

 

Pats started out with man to man and at 10-0 went to zone which is where Brown got the few yards he had- give up the slants and curls keeping it underneath. Then back to man to man. Even then we had the safety eyeballing (spying) Brown while Butler played him man to man.

 

There were other seasons we didn't have the personnel and had to play zone.

[Finball]

Pats use different schemes, varying them based on their opponents strenghts and weaknesses.

 

The year they had Revis, they used Revis a lot on other teams #2 receiver, leaving him on an island with him. Then safety help with their #2 CB against the other teams top receiver.