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#81 FireJimCaldwell

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Posted 31 December 2012 - 10:21 PM

Where'd you get your numbers? I take pass yds / 16 and I get -

 

I believe he's talking Passing + rushing /16... I'm not 100% sure but I think that's where he got them. 



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#82 Gavin

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Posted 31 December 2012 - 10:25 PM

??  Gavin when all these guys have played "together" they have excelled. 

 

I don't get this "I watched quite a few games" ?    really?  where?  An OL is organic, it is in constant flux.  

 

How can you possibly say you "called it" ...       Called what?   constant injury problems?

 

This line is actually solid when they are ALL HEALTHY.     But, sadly we have yet to see it first hand this season.

Love the positive attitude, if an O Line was so "organic" as you called then why dont teams just keep the same players they have on there O Lines every year? Last I checked our O Line did not involve or have any of this or need any of  this to be good or·gan·ic  (ôr-gabreve.gifnprime.gifibreve.gifk)

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what they do need is TALENT 



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Posted 31 December 2012 - 10:46 PM

I believe he's talking Passing + rushing /16... I'm not 100% sure but I think that's where he got them. 

Makes more since in that respect, but not when talking about completion % and Interceptions. And it dirties the data when adding in yards where some rushing yardage production is 'expected' of the QB, where the other QB is 'not' expected to produce or intentionally attempt rushing yardage.

“There’s no question he’s (Luck) a complete football player and one of the top quarterbacks in this league already. He has a great career in front of him but I think he’s already established himself as a very poised and talented player that can do a lot of things to beat you and he manages his team well and plays good situational football.”       -New England Patriots Head Coach Bill Belichick

 


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Posted 31 December 2012 - 10:46 PM

Love the positive attitude, if an O Line was so "organic" as you called then why dont teams just keep the same players they have on there O Lines every year? Last I checked our O Line did not involve or have any of this or need any of  this to be good or·gan·ic  (ôr-gabreve.gifnprime.gifibreve.gifk)
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what they do need is TALENT 

Gavin ... we like to keep it "tidy" around here...  please cite your references...  ..   

 

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#85 John Dee

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Posted 31 December 2012 - 10:47 PM

Copy and paste is so...    JR Highish...... 


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#86 FireJimCaldwell

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Posted 31 December 2012 - 10:58 PM

Makes more since in that respect, but not when talking about completion % and Interceptions. And it dirties the data when adding in yards where some rushing yardage production is 'expected' of the QB, where the other QB is 'not' expected to produce or intentionally attempt rushing yardage.

You'll have to ask him.

 

To me RG3/AL1 in that aspect is closer than MV7 & PM18.  

 

I wish Luck would run more. I wish that there were concepts from the Washington offense that were installed here.. But that might just be me...



#87 John Dee

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Posted 31 December 2012 - 11:03 PM

NO..  not just you...      Luck is more than capable of doing such work...    I would rather see this than him running for his life trying to complete a 30 yard crossing pattern...   

 

I have feeling we may see this come playoff time..     at least we should ;     Or at least turn Luck loose "no huddle".. 

You'll have to ask him.

 

To me RG3/AL1 in that aspect is closer than MV7 & PM18.  

 

I wish Luck would run more. I wish that there were concepts from the Washington offense that were installed here.. But that might just be me...


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Posted 31 December 2012 - 11:06 PM

You'll have to ask him.
 
To me RG3/AL1 in that aspect is closer than MV7 & PM18.  
 
I wish Luck would run more. I wish that there were concepts from the Washington offense that were installed here.. But that might just be me...

I think I'd rather see more designed runs than designed blocking schemes... LOL. I just hope we can get a good enough o line that he can finish developing his NFL caliber passing skills first.

“There’s no question he’s (Luck) a complete football player and one of the top quarterbacks in this league already. He has a great career in front of him but I think he’s already established himself as a very poised and talented player that can do a lot of things to beat you and he manages his team well and plays good situational football.”       -New England Patriots Head Coach Bill Belichick

 


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Posted 31 December 2012 - 11:33 PM

The 70 yarder to TY Hilton showed just how accurate Luck can be when he has time. If we fix our offensive line problems this off season, our offense could be off the charts next year.

I agree!!  The offensive line needs to be a priorty heading into next year! 



#90 rdskns4eva

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Posted 31 December 2012 - 11:50 PM

Ok...     whatever... 

 

Luck and Wilson are the "true" ROTY candidates.   

 

Wilson is the "Skins" best candidate. 

lol this is funny being that Seattle fans see this as a two horse race (RG3 and RW)



#91 RGIII

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Posted 01 January 2013 - 12:58 AM

Where'd you get your numbers? I take pass yds / 16 and I get -

Luck 273 /gm
RG3 200 /gm
RW 195 /gm

That's a full field length drive more per game, every game. since completion % is so much different, as you show, lets show yards per completion, see what kind of mileage is gained from each catch-

Luck 12.9
RG3 12.4
Rw 12.4

With Luck having many more completions than either of the other two.

Now let's look at 3rd and 4th down conversion rates-

Luck 98 229 42.8% 7 8 87.5%

RG3 68 190 35.8% 12 17 70.6%

RS 80 199 40.2% 11 18 61.1%

Seems I found some stats where Luck leads the other two in. Shall I look for more? Stats are just some numbers, can be gathered, juggled around and made to tell different stories. After all is said and done, who got the 'W', and ultimately, who holds the trophy is the true victor. not the stat champ... as wee (and Peyton) know all to well.

 

I made a few posts on the first page of the thread that acknowledge the 3rd down percentage thing and the fact that I used total yards per game.

 

Makes more since in that respect, but not when talking about completion % and Interceptions. And it dirties the data when adding in yards where some rushing yardage production is 'expected' of the QB, where the other QB is 'not' expected to produce or intentionally attempt rushing yardage.

 

It doesn't dirty the data in the slightest.  Yardage is yardage and touchdowns are touchdowns.  You don't say that Marshall Faulk was a worse running back than Jerome Bettis because Bettis had more rushing yards.  Faulk was a much more dangerous and productive player because of his abnormal skills as a receiver.  A complete player does more than just one thing and all of those things must be taken into account when evaluating that player's performance.



#92 Robert Johnson

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Posted 01 January 2013 - 03:01 AM

Must every thread about Luck turn into a Griffin vs. Luck thread.Griffin has had a great year,but Luck is our QB,i really dont care what Griffin does.


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#93 Tsarquise

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Posted 01 January 2013 - 05:01 AM

I don't get some (media / boards) infatuation over Luck's turnovers and Wilson and RG3's lack of...

It boils down to situations. Luck's calls for a lot of balls in the air... the others don't. It really is as simple as that.

If anyone watches the games and knows ANYTHING about it they would simply look to 4 stats. Rushing yards and Atts, and Passing yards and Atts, they tell the story of a QB and a team.

Luck has nearly doubled Wilson and the Skins (RG3 and Cousins) pass attempts. nearly DOUBLED.

This morning I heard a national guy going on and on about "how magically RG3 handled the ball, and led the team" OH MY GOD. The dude has one of the most average games a QB can have and not one mention of Alfred Morris. It is getting really tiresome. From my end the RG3 backlash simply comes from the constant national media slobbering over this guy. The reason Washington is where they are right now is because the D has improved GREATLY and they run the ball.

Wilson is the one that deserves all the praise .. he truly is burning the NFL up right now... but ... he also has the 3rd best running game in the NFL and 4 ranked D. He is actually in the best spot of any of the rookie QB's.

Luck has carried this team, Colt fans have witnessed it first hand. The folks who only look at highlights and look at stats will come to the same conclusions. Luck is a turnover machine... but don't turnovers generally equal L's?

Not for Indy, ... I guess Luck is only good in the 4th quarter. The one that matters.. ;)

Luck has not carried the team. He has contributed a lot, as the QB position has a lot of influence on the productivity of an offense but the whole team has made clutch plays when they need to.

In NO way is Luck carrying the team. You act as if he has had to score on every possession because the opposing team scores or keeps the offense on the field.

#94 Tsarquise

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Posted 01 January 2013 - 05:06 AM

How did RG3 get into the probowl and not Drew Brees? Brees is a stud.

Yeah Brees definitely deserves to go.

#95 NewEra

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Posted 01 January 2013 - 08:59 AM

Luck has not carried the team. He has contributed a lot, as the QB position has a lot of influence on the productivity of an offense but the whole team has made clutch plays when they need to.
In NO way is Luck carrying the team. You act as if he has had to score on every possession because the opposing team scores or keeps the offense on the field.


Agree, luck has been huge. Bt rest of offense has stepped up big time, at times at least. We have showed real growth all year. Or young guys are going to be really good next year.

Also, this year I feel like we don't have to play keep away. Not afraid of our d holding their own. We have a more balanced team. Offense, defense, special teams. Been waiting to see that for YEARS!
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Posted 01 January 2013 - 11:14 AM

author="RGIII" Said: "I made a few posts on the first page of the thread that acknowledge the 3rd down percentage thing and the fact that I used total yards per game. It doesn't dirty the data in the slightest. Yardage is yardage and touchdowns are touchdowns. You don't say that Marshall Faulk was a worse running back than Jerome Bettis because Bettis had more rushing yards. Faulk was a much more dangerous and productive player because of his abnormal skills as a receiver. A complete player does more than just one thing and all of those things must be taken into account when evaluating that player's performance."


OK, even as a 'complete' player who happens to relinquish most all of the designed rushing opportunities off to a running back, he still gets more yds /gm than Robert Griffin. I guess Luck is the more complete player then? Or is it back to that completion percentage and interception total again, and we have to go to passing yards only? I wonder what looking up 3rd and long conversion rates will turn up...

“There’s no question he’s (Luck) a complete football player and one of the top quarterbacks in this league already. He has a great career in front of him but I think he’s already established himself as a very poised and talented player that can do a lot of things to beat you and he manages his team well and plays good situational football.”       -New England Patriots Head Coach Bill Belichick

 


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Posted 01 January 2013 - 12:04 PM


Yes, all the time he spent with Fleener the last 5 years really paid off ... LOL!

Be patient, he's coming along.

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 12:58 PM



I agree....Fleener will still be a big factor for the Colts....He was just hurt a lot and the ball went else where...

Watch for Coby to make a big play Sunday






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