Joe Burrow vs Kirk Cousins

[w87r]

Pat McAfee had a breakdown of the twos playoff stats side by side 

 

Cousins (labeled playoff choker)

1.75 Pass TDs per game

.5 turnovers per game

96.5 passer rating

254 pass yds per game

20 PPG

28 PPG allowed (your fault Kirk)

0 defensive turnovers forced 

 

Burrow (labeled Joe Brrrr)

1.4 Pass TDs per game

.6 turnovers per game

93.8 passer rating

260 pass yds per game

22 PPG

18 PPG allowed (Good job, Joe)

13 defensive turnovers forced

 

 

 

 

 

And no one is saying they would take Kirk over Burrow, just more about the disrespect Kirk receives.

 

 

 

 

[throwing BBZ]

1 hour ago, w87r said:

Pat McAfee had a breakdown of the twos playoff stats side by side 

 

Cousins (labeled playoff choker)

1.75 Pass TDs per game

.5 turnovers per game

96.5 passer rating

254 pass yds per game

20 PPG

28 PPG allowed (your fault Kirk)

0 defensive turnovers forced 

 

Burrow (labeled Joe Brrrr)

1.4 Pass TDs per game

.6 turnovers per game

93.8 passer rating

260 pass yds per game

22 PPG

18 PPG allowed (Good job, Joe)

13 defensive turnovers forced

 

 

 

 

 

And no one is saying they would take Kirk over Burrow, just more about the disrespect Kirk receives.

 

 

 

 

 

 Kirk has much more experience so it is nice that he has played fairly well in their high powered offense. Unfortunately he has only a dismal 4 career playoff starts. Burrow has 7. Kirk earned his reputation by throwing too many interceptions throughout his career and not being able to get his team into the playoffs. 

 Manning had a dismal 7 one and dones when we typically were one of the SB favorites. His D's gave up an average of 23 pts in the playoffs. Our scoring had a big drop-off in the playoffs in those losses. Reminds of a few playoff losses to the chargers and of course to the Patriots.

 And of his playoff run in our SB year. 3 tds 7int.

  Burrow has played behind a dismal o-line so far but has shown that clutch factor. I would pick Burrow.

[chad72]

Yes, Burrow has benefited from the D Lou Anurumo's squad has played, far more than Kirk Cousins from his D. Plus, it is a feel good story for a franchise searching for its first ever SB.

 

Kirk Cousins however hasn't had enough big victories under his belt while Burrow has had plenty lately in his young career. It is not just the stats, it is how he did in Primetime (night games) and in big games that puts him below Burrow. Plus, Vikings fans will tell you that a lot of those stats are padded in losses in games with deficits, almost like garbage time Blake Bortles. That is why I wouldn't get carried away with just the stats. The thing Burrow does really well that Kirk Cousins does not, is clock and tempo control, something the eye test can tell you but not stats all the time.

[sb41champs]

Verrrrrrrry interrrrrrresting!!

[VikingsFanInChennai]

7 hours ago, w87r said:

Pat McAfee had a breakdown of the twos playoff stats side by side 

 

Cousins (labeled playoff choker)

1.75 Pass TDs per game

.5 turnovers per game

96.5 passer rating

254 pass yds per game

20 PPG

28 PPG allowed (your fault Kirk)

0 defensive turnovers forced 

 

Burrow (labeled Joe Brrrr)

1.4 Pass TDs per game

.6 turnovers per game

93.8 passer rating

260 pass yds per game

22 PPG

18 PPG allowed (Good job, Joe)

13 defensive turnovers forced

 

 

 

 

 

And no one is saying they would take Kirk over Burrow, just more about the disrespect Kirk receives.

 

 

 

 

When Vikings defense was good early in his time with Minnesota, Kirk didn't do well at all... But then when he picked up some good wins and great stats as usual, the roster was in shambles.. the organization needs better GM and a lot of luck, and a franchise QB.

 

As for Kirk, he needs a lot of help from scheme and running game to win against elite teams, he does well against most teams but when facing teams like KC or SF or any high flying team of that year in playoffs, he would struggle. He struggled against the Giants last year, of course his stats would still look good.

 

Now, only compare Kirk vs Burrow against truly great teams in playoffs?

 

Burrow would've had wins against KC , BUF and such.

 

Kirk? He would have great individual stats but wouldn't get you Ws against teams like SF, KC, PHI week after week in January and February, whether Vikings have poor defense or a good one. 

[chickenMan]

Kirk Cousins catches a lot, and I mean A LOT of undeserved flak. However, look at the most important playoff stat of all: how clutch are they? If you know anything about Cousins and Burrow, you know which one throws 3 yards on a 4th and 10 at the end of the game and which one threads passes and scrambled for first downs to beat the Chiefs in overtime. That’s the biggest difference between the two. You can’t teach clutch, and clutch is what Burrow almost always is.

[LJpalmbeacher2]

Cousins is underrated and unliked by many for some reason. 

But.despite the similarities in the playoff stats I'd take Joe Cool over Cousins and just.about.everyone else too. 

[w87r]

40 minutes ago, LJpalmbeacher2 said:

Cousins is underrated and unliked by many for some reason. 

But.despite the similarities in the playoff stats I'd take Joe Cool over Cousins and just.about.everyone else too. 

No doubt.

 

Everyone is taking Joe 101 out of 100, Cousins just gets a lot of undeserved hate.

[Peter Nova]

12 hours ago, throwing BBZ said:

 

 Kirk has much more experience so it is nice that he has played fairly well in their high powered offense. Unfortunately he has only a dismal 4 career playoff starts. Burrow has 7. Kirk earned his reputation by throwing too many interceptions throughout his career and not being able to get his team into the playoffs. 

 Manning had a dismal 7 one and dones when we typically were one of the SB favorites. His D's gave up an average of 23 pts in the playoffs. Our scoring had a big drop-off in the playoffs in those losses. Reminds of a few playoff losses to the chargers and of course to the Patriots.

 And of his playoff run in our SB year. 3 tds 7int.

  Burrow has played behind a dismal o-line so far but has shown that clutch factor. I would pick Burrow.

 

252 TDs to 105 career INTs. Most INTs he's thrown in a season is 14. 

[w87r]

19 minutes ago, Peter Nova said:

 

252 TDs to 105 career INTs. Most INTs he's thrown in a season is 14. 

Kirk sees way too much undeserved slander.

[RollerColt]

The only real thing that's against him is not having that killer instinct in playoff games when it's crunch time. I'd like to see a metric for 3rd down conversions and things like that compared to Joe. During the Bengals Super Bowl run, he'd be making crazy 3-10 or longer conversions to keep the drives alive. 

[NFLfan]

@w87r If you were offered Joe Burrow or Kirk Cousins to win one game for you, which one would you take?

 

Give me Joe.

[w87r]

2 hours ago, NFLfan said:

@w87r If you were offered Joe Burrow or Kirk Cousins to win one game for you, which one would you take?

 

Give me Joe.

Everyone would take Joe.

 

 

Not what this was about. It was about unnecessary hate Kirk receives.

[NFLfan]

9 minutes ago, w87r said:

Everyone would take Joe.

 

 

Not what this was about. It was about unnecessary hate Kirk receives.

 

I would not call it hate. He is just not a winner. He does not make decisions on the football field to win. For example, in situations when he should be using up the clock and getting first downs to move the chains, he throws deep balls. He is not great at situational football but stats don't show that.

 

Last year, he played a lot better. Hopefully it is a sign of better days.

[VikingsFanInChennai]

41 minutes ago, NFLfan said:

 

I would not call it hate. He is just not a winner. He does not make decisions on the football field to win. For example, in situations when he should be using up the clock and getting first downs to move the chains, he throws deep balls. He is not great at situational football but stats don't show that.

 

Last year, he played a lot better. Hopefully it is a sign of better days.

That's exactly what it is... Kirk is not a winner and doesn't have the situational awareness on the football field even though he's heckuva smart handling his reputation, business, contracts, family and career.

 

I wish he's the same ultra smart guy on the football field, he's just not built or wired to have that killer Instinct as @RollerColt said and the never-say-die winning mentality. 

 

As I've mentioned in Vikings forum years before, he's like a quality inspector on the football field - he would have that mentality of playing things to perfection if it all goes per plan. He can execute almost all plays any football coach can draw and know all the football concepts and reading defenses theoretically perfectly, but when things break down, he'll just shrug and get off the field - his mind doesn't work in a way to string together out-of-structure plays to move the chains consistently when game is on the line (he does seem to try at this stage of his career to his credit), let alone string together multiple play-off wins against quality teams in January and February.

 

He'll finish his career with awesome stat lines, and a very nice guy to be remembered. He seems to like to engage in football commentary, so maybe he'll do very well in booth after his career. 

[RollerColt]

Still hoping for that Bengals Vikings Super Bowl so at least one fandom finally gets to know what it’s like to win it all…

 

This year sounds like the final year for the Bengals to have the whole original offense still together. After that it’s going to be very hard to return to the Super Bowl. 
 

Cousins has the defense and some major offensive weapons. And Rodgers just left the division and conference while Brady has retired. Ain’t no time like the present, Kirk! Get it done!