Irsay relocation debate *conversation moved over from Peyton Legacy thread

[BlueShoe]

Peyton is the only reason there is a professional football team in Indianapolis. Jim can have all the grievances he wants to and the first sentence might be connected to this one. 
 

Irsay was absolutely going to move this team. Peyton brought success and that got a new stadium paid for by tax payers. 
 

The Colts would have become the LA Express had Peyton not been drafted by the shoe. Maybe Irsay resents him for that now. 

[crazycolt1]

4 minutes ago, BlueShoe said:

Peyton is the only reason there is a professional football team in Indianapolis. Jim can have all the grievances he wants to and the first sentence might be connected to this one. 
 

Irsay was absolutely going to move this team. Peyton brought success and that got a new stadium paid for by tax payers. 
 

The Colts would have become the LA Express had Peyton not been drafted by the shoe. Maybe Irsay resents him for that now. 

I need a pair of waders to navigate that comment.  

[BlueShoe]

4 minutes ago, crazycolt1 said:

I need a pair of waders to navigate that comment.  

Or you could have paid attention and been perceptive of the facts 20 years ago. 
 

 

[crazycolt1]

19 minutes ago, BlueShoe said:

Or you could have paid attention and been perceptive of the facts 20 years ago. 
 

 

Facts? Lol 

[BlueShoe]

24 minutes ago, crazycolt1 said:

Facts? Lol 

Facts. 

[BlueShoe]

On 5/26/2023 at 2:42 AM, crazycolt1 said:

There may be a little truth about the success and Mannings contribution to LOS but not buying the assumptions and rumors that was stated. Irsay never threatened to leave. The media started that nonsense.  

Jim Irsay stood up in an owners meeting and asked what it would take for him to move the Colts to LA. He was ready to move the team. Indianapolis surprised him by actually funding Luke. All of this is as factual as the sky is blue. 
 

Anyone can choose to ignore it and act as though these things never happened. The fact is that Colts fans lived in fear for around a decade the Colts would move to another city. It was even possible the Colts could have moved to Cleveland at one point. 
 

Were you not paying attention to any of this? Every Indianapolis Colts fan lived the horror of it. It was in our face all the time. 
 

Wake up, man!

[crazycolt1]

4 hours ago, BlueShoe said:

Jim Irsay stood up in an owners meeting and asked what it would take for him to move the Colts to LA. He was ready to move the team. Indianapolis surprised him by actually funding Luke. All of this is as factual as the sky is blue. 
 

Anyone can choose to ignore it and act as though these things never happened. The fact is that Colts fans lived in fear for around a decade the Colts would move to another city. It was even possible the Colts could have moved to Cleveland at one point. 
 

Were you not paying attention to any of this? Every Indianapolis Colts fan lived the horror of it. It was in our face all the time. 
 

Wake up, man!

Report: Colts were "seriously contemplating" moving to Los ... https://www.stampedeblue.com/platform/amp/2016/1/31/10881232/report-colts-were-seriously-contemplating-moving-to-los-angeles-in-early-2000s

Irsay never threatened to move the team. Of course he was looking at all options without a plan in place. It was Indy who put the LOS plan in motion, not a threat by Irsay. 

[BlueShoe]

7 hours ago, crazycolt1 said:

Report: Colts were "seriously contemplating" moving to Los ... https://www.stampedeblue.com/platform/amp/2016/1/31/10881232/report-colts-were-seriously-contemplating-moving-to-los-angeles-in-early-2000s

Irsay never threatened to move the team. Of course he was looking at all options without a plan in place. It was Indy who put the LOS plan in motion, not a threat by Irsay. 

Yes he did. You are completely wrong. I don’t know why you cannot comprehend the facts of this. Peyton Manning is the reason the Colts are still in Indianapolis. Facts!

[crazycolt1]

52 minutes ago, BlueShoe said:

Yes he did. You are completely wrong. I don’t know why you cannot comprehend the facts of this. Peyton Manning is the reason the Colts are still in Indianapolis. Facts!

I guess your reading is lacking comprehension.  You stated Irsay was threatening to move to LA and that is false. Mannings presence did help build LOS but he was the QB on a team. Wins come from team play. 

[BlueShoe]

1 hour ago, crazycolt1 said:

I guess your reading is lacking comprehension.  You stated Irsay was threatening to move to LA and that is false. Mannings presence did help build LOS but he was the QB on a team. Wins come from team play. 

You keep doubling down on being wrong and slightly moving the goalposts. 
 

Remember where this started. You laughed at me for making a very factual and correct statement. 
 

Continue on with your doubling down, on being wrong. If you think that’s saving face, it’s not. 

[crazycolt1]

1 hour ago, BlueShoe said:

You keep doubling down on being wrong and slightly moving the goalposts. 
 

Remember where this started. You laughed at me for making a very factual and correct statement. 
 

Continue on with your doubling down, on being wrong. If you think that’s saving face, it’s not. 

It's not about saving face. If you choose to believe in a narrative that Irsay threatened Indy with moving If he didn't get a new stadium, there is where you are incorrect believing a media pushed agenda. Of course Irsay was weighing his options because he is a business man. It was Indy who made the deal that kept the Colts in Indy and build LOS. 

[BlueShoe]

7 hours ago, crazycolt1 said:

It's not about saving face. If you choose to believe in a narrative that Irsay threatened Indy with moving If he didn't get a new stadium, there is where you are incorrect believing a media pushed agenda. Of course Irsay was weighing his options because he is a business man. It was Indy who made the deal that kept the Colts in Indy and build LOS. 

 

7 hours ago, NewColtsFan said:

 

NOTE:   Long post ahead…

 

 

I don’t mean to interrupt you two.   But as someone who lived in Los Angeles for over 60 years, I thought I’d share a different perspective.  
 

While it looks like Irsay may have been privately telling the local Indy politicians that he’d move the team to LA if he didn’t get what he wanted I don’t think it was ever going to happen.   
 

Remember,  the City and County of Los Angeles allowed both the Rams and the Raiders to leave Southern California.  Because both teams wanted millions of tax dollars for stadium improvements and facility improvements.   And Los Angeles said no to both.   The Rams first moved to Orange County and eventually to St. Louis.   The Raiders moved back to Oakland where they originally came from. 
 

Decades later, the Rams moved back but got no local money.   They’ve built a spectacular stadium with the money from their owner, Stan Kronke, one of the richest owners in the NFL and other private investors plus the NFL who added billions to build the new facility for the NFL Network.   All private money.   No tax dollars. 
 

Both of you need to understand that the NFL owners used the threat of moving a franchise to Los Angeles for roughly 25 years as leverage for them to get upgrades in their cities.   It worked beautifully.  
 

But if Los Angeles allowed the Rams and Raiders to leave the city, it certainly wasn’t going to entice the Indianapolis Colts — even with Peyton Manning — to bring them to LA.   Politically speaking,  citizens supporting billionaire sports owners is a political loser in Southern California.  
 

In short, Irsay was bluffing, as many other teams did back in the day.   It was the threat that the owners wanted.   And, it worked to perfection.   Several other franchises used LA as a threat.   But it was never going to happen. 
 

So I think you’re both a little bit right and a little bit wrong.   But you two can hash that out without me. 

 

 

 

@NewColtsFan Of course teams used LA to bluff other cities. With the Colts, it’s not that simple. Jim Irsay was not convinced the Indianapolis market could support an NFL team.  The Colts had a hard time selling out the (small) RCA Dome for over a decade, and even early into the Peyton years. Remember this was once a basketball state. I was literally the only Colts fan in my high school, and my high school is in the state of Indiana. Northern Indiana were mostly Bears fans and southern Indiana was a mixture of Bears and Dolphins fans. Bob Griese is from Evansville and the void of not having a pro football team in Indiana led to these facts. 
 

Peyton Manning changed all of that. 
 

@crazycolt1 You might not ever see the truth about this. It’s bizarre that any Colts fan could live through what happened and not know any of this. Are you not from Indiana? That’s the only way you not knowing what happened would make any sense to me. Even then, these boards have been around since the Jim Harbaugh days. We lived this horror and you’re acting like it never happened. This was discussed more than games were Monday Morning Quarterbacked. I’m not sure how a long-time Colts fan could miss any of this. Something about you is not adding up. 

 

[crazycolt1]

9 hours ago, BlueShoe said:

 

 

@NewColtsFan Of course teams used LA to bluff other cities. With the Colts, it’s not that simple. Jim Irsay was not convinced the Indianapolis market could support an NFL team.  The Colts had a hard time selling out the (small) RCA Dome for over a decade, and even early into the Peyton years. Remember this was once a basketball state. I was literally the only Colts fan in my high school, and my high school is in the state of Indiana. Northern Indiana were mostly Bears fans and southern Indiana was a mixture of Bears and Dolphins fans. Bob Griese is from Evansville and the void of not having a pro football team in Indiana led to these facts. 
 

Peyton Manning changed all of that. 
 

@crazycolt1 You might not ever see the truth about this. It’s bizarre that any Colts fan could live through what happened and not know any of this. Are you not from Indiana? That’s the only way you not knowing what happened would make any sense to me. Even then, these boards have been around since the Jim Harbaugh days. We lived this horror and you’re acting like it never happened. This was discussed more than games were Monday Morning Quarterbacked. I’m not sure how a long-time Colts fan could miss any of this. Something about you is not adding up. 

 

I probably been a Colts fan before you were even born. If you choose to believe what the media cooked up, that's on you. 

[BlueShoe]

1 minute ago, crazycolt1 said:

I probably been a Colts fan before you were even born. If you choose to believe what the media cooked up, that's on you. 

I am a Day 1 Indianapolis Colts fan. They moved here when I was just a kid. I’ve never missed an Indianapolis Colts game. That’s right, 40 years and 0 games missed. Back then #18 was Mike Pagel. If you were a fan before me then you lived the Baltimore years. And if that is true then it makes no sense for you to logically disagree with anything I am saying. None of your story adds up and none of your logic makes any sense. 
 

However if you were not local to Indiana then pre-Internet, you would have missed out on some of the local happenings. You would have also missed a lot of Colts games. At this point though, you’re just disagreeing because you don’t want to admit you were wrong. 
 

You’ve doubled down on being wrong… Over and over.

 

Facts!

[w87r]

Trying to figure out why this back and forth just continues to go on and on. What is the point?

 

Making both of you feel good?

 

[crazycolt1]

34 minutes ago, BlueShoe said:

I am a Day 1 Indianapolis Colts fan. They moved here when I was just a kid. I’ve never missed an Indianapolis Colts game. That’s right, 40 years and 0 games missed. Back then #18 was Mike Pagel. If you were a fan before me then you lived the Baltimore years. And if that is true then it makes no sense for you to logically disagree with anything I am saying. None of your story adds up and none of your logic makes any sense. 
 

However if you were not local to Indiana then pre-Internet, you would have missed out on some of the local happenings. You would have also missed a lot of Colts games. At this point though, you’re just disagreeing because you don’t want to admit you were wrong. 
 

You’ve doubled down on being wrong… Over and over.

 

Facts!

I guess you completely disregarded that Irsay never threatened Indy he was moving to LA. He might have checked on the move privately but he never one time used that as leverage.  And yes I was a Baltimore Colts fan that started in 1973 with them drafting Bert Jones. I also have lived in Indy with the exception of living in Tennessee between the ages of 15 and 20 years old.  

Like I stated, if you choose to believe a rumor the media conjured up,  that's on you. You honestly believe a nonsense story that Bob Kravitz started? 

https://www.stampedeblue.com/2016/1/31/10881232/report-colts-were-seriously-contemplating-moving-to-los-angeles-in-early-2000s

[crazycolt1]

19 minutes ago, w87r said:

Trying to figure out why this back and forth just continues to go on and on. What is the point?

 

Making both of you feel good?

 

I wouldn't lose too much sleep worrying about it if I were you.  

[w87r]

6 minutes ago, crazycolt1 said:

I wouldn't lose too much sleep worrying about it if I were you.  

Won't lose an ounce of sleep.

 

I just move your conversation to it's own thread, so you can quit derailing this one.

[crazycolt1]

14 minutes ago, w87r said:

Won't lose an ounce of sleep.

 

I just move your conversation to it's own thread, so you can quit derailing this one.

May I suggest reading the threads header? 

 

 

[w87r]

14 minutes ago, crazycolt1 said:

May I suggest reading the threads header? 

 

 

Suggest whatever you want. Conversation drifted to who was right, not about Peyton 

 

You're arguing just to argue, but do you.

 

 

 

EDIT: 11 post moved over had no mention of Manning. Just a who's right and who's wrong game going on.

[crazycolt1]

28 minutes ago, w87r said:

Suggest whatever you want. Conversation drifted to who was right, not about Peyton 

 

You're arguing just to argue, but do you.

 

 

 

EDIT: 11 post moved over had no mention of Manning. Just a who's right and who's wrong game going on.

The thread header reads Irsay's Relocation debate. No mention of Manning.  Yes me and BlueShoe were back and forth but no disrespect was used in the debating. Why do you feel the need to interject yourself? 

[csmopar]

On 5/26/2023 at 12:57 AM, BlueShoe said:

Peyton is the only reason there is a professional football team in Indianapolis. Jim can have all the grievances he wants to and the first sentence might be connected to this one. 
 

Irsay was absolutely going to move this team. Peyton brought success and that got a new stadium paid for by tax payers. 
 

The Colts would have become the LA Express had Peyton not been drafted by the shoe. Maybe Irsay resents him for that now. 

[w87r]

1 minute ago, crazycolt1 said:

The thread header reads Irsay's Relocation debate. No mention of Manning.  Yes me and BlueShoe were back and forth but no disrespect was used in the debating. Why do you feel the need to interject yourself? 

What are you even talking about?

 

I created this thread with that header and moved your post over from the Peyton's legacy thread.

 

If you want to argue about something, at least know what you are talking about.

 

 

I actually gave you a place to continue your back and forth. Arguing with each other and going back and forth is thread derailing.

 

Check the board rules:

 

I interjected myself because that is what was occurring.

 

I could of just hid the back and forth, but like I said I gave you a place to still "talk" about it, and where it isn't derailing the other thread.

 

Shouldn't of, because it's really just you 2 arguing and reiterating the same points and telling each other "you're wrong"

 

 

Now you have decided to argue about this with me for 5-6 post

 

[BlueShoe]

Been on Colts boards for nearly 30 years… 

 

This is a first time I am the author of a thread that I did not start. LOL

 

I guess on the bright side crazycolt, we got our own thread now. 
 

This is bizarre. They literally ripped our conversation out of another thread and made a new one. I think we broke into a new matrix or something. 
 

Awesome!

[BlueShoe]

1 hour ago, w87r said:

I just move your conversation to it's own thread, so you can quit derailing this one.

The original thread is titled Peyton’s Legacy. His legacy consists of keeping the Colts in Indianapolis.

[BlueShoe]

@w87r Please add a prefix to the first post in this thread about how this conversation was moved from the Peyton’s Legacy thread. The beginning has no context and people who do not know this started in another thread will be confused. 

[w87r]

On 5/26/2023 at 1:02 AM, crazycolt1 said:

I need a pair of waders to navigate that comment.

 

On 5/26/2023 at 1:12 AM, BlueShoe said:

Or you could have paid attention and been perceptive of the facts 20 years ago

 

On 5/26/2023 at 1:32 AM, crazycolt1 said:

Facts? Lol 

 

On 5/26/2023 at 1:57 AM, BlueShoe said:

Facts. 

 

2 hours ago, crazycolt1 said:

I probably been a Colts fan before you were even born. If you choose to believe what the media cooked up, that's on you. 

 

2 hours ago, BlueShoe said:

t this point though, you’re just disagreeing because you don’t want to admit you were wrong. 
 

You’ve doubled down on being wrong… Over and over.

 

Facts!

 

 

9 minutes ago, BlueShoe said:

The original thread is titled Peyton’s Legacy. His legacy consists of keeping the Colts in Indianapolis.

All the original Peyton talk was fine, but it morphed into the above. Nothing about Peyton and all what Irsay did, who's the wrong, who's a bigger fan.

 

 

"I'm right, you're wrong"

"I've been Colts fans longer."

"Irsay did this, Irsay did that"

 

None of that has to do with Peyton.

[w87r]

2 minutes ago, BlueShoe said:

@w87r Please add a prefix to the first post in this thread about how this conversation was moved from the Peyton’s Legacy thread. The beginning has no context and people who do not know this started in another thread will be confused. 

Done

[BlueShoe]

I’m going on record of saying this might be the weirdest thing I’ve ever seen on a Colts board. 
 

@crazycolt1 I blame you, man. If you didn’t have crazy in your name then maybe they’d take us seriously around here. 

[BlueShoe]

25 minutes ago, csmopar said:

I didn’t start this thread. Was actually replying to someone else’s thread. It all got moved to this new thread. 
 

Yeah, if I thought someone just started this conversation out of the blue then, I’d probably think they were nuts too. 
 

Talk about taking all the context out of what someone is saying. Wow! Not your fault though. I get it. 

[w87r]

2 minutes ago, BlueShoe said:

I’m going on record of saying this might be the weirdest thing I’ve ever seen on a Colts board. 
 

@crazycolt1 I blame you, man. If you didn’t have crazy in your name then maybe they’d take us seriously around here. 

Hardly the first time threads have been split on the board.

[BlueShoe]

7 minutes ago, w87r said:

Hardly the first time threads have been split on the board.

For the past 5-6 years, I usually only stop in every few months or so. For the draft and sky is falling stuff. I am good with making fewer visits. 
 

This is some weird stuff going on. 
 

People are going to click on a thread about how someone is randomly talking about how they like ice cream or something. Just an out of the blue random thread with no context. 
 

I think it fit perfectly where it was, but I really don’t care. I don’t really see why anyone does care. I never intended for this conversation to be it’s own thread, but here we are. 

[w87r]

13 minutes ago, BlueShoe said:

For the past 5-6 years, I usually only stop in every few months or so. For the draft and sky is falling stuff. I am good with making fewer visits. 
 

This is some weird stuff going on. 
 

People are going to click on a thread about how someone is randomly talking about how they like ice cream or something. Just an out of the blue random thread with no context. 
 

I think it fit perfectly where it was, but I really don’t care. I don’t really see why anyone does care. I never intended for this conversation to be it’s own thread, but here we are. 

 

 

 

Posters didn't go to the Peyton Legacy thread to see 2 posters arguing who is right or wrong about Irsay and his demands, which one of you has been a fan longer.

 

[BlueShoe]

1 minute ago, w87r said:

 

 

 

Posters didn't go to the Peyton Legacy thread to see 2 posters arguing who is right or wrong about Irsay and his demands, which one of you has been a fan longer.

 

Just lock this thread. This is ridiculous. 

[w87r]

Just now, BlueShoe said:

Just lock this thread. This is ridiculous. 

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