Oakland (+3) at Kansas City (12-8-16)

[oldunclemark]

8:25 ST......Al Michaels (back off vacation I guess) Cris Collinsworth and Heather Cox on NBC and the NFL Network

Low 20s, upper teens in Kansas City...over-under 46.5

 

The old American Football League's most bitter rivalry......the 113th meeting features Oakland QB Derek Carr (300 of 458, 3,375 yards, 24 TDs, 5 interceptions)

throwing to WR Amari Cooper (68 catches, for 981 yards) and Eric Crabtree (67 catches, 785 yards)

.........against a KC defense that 25 sacks and 14 interceptions

...Carr throws 38 times a game but he's been sacked just 12 times..a test for KV OLB Dee Ford (10 sacks)

KC QB Alex (Game Manager) Smith (250 of 371, 2,567 yards, 11 Tds and 4 interceptions) and he'll either throw to TE Travis Kelce (65 catches for 815 yards) or throw it away before Oakland's Khalil Mack (10 sacks) stomps him

KC cant run the ball...1,185 yards in 12 games.....but the defense wins with 25 takeaways..

RV Spencer Ware (163 carries, 754 yards) has been playing hurt but he'll to do so again Thursday.  Chiefs have 6 return (kick or pick) TDs

 

Chiefs bad stat: Chiefs have 29 TDs and 25 field goals

Raiders bad stat:  Oakland leads the NFL with 112 penalties for 932 yards.

Chiefs bad stat: Chiefs have been held to 20 or less 5 times

Raiders bad stat: Oakland has allowed 4,676 yards in 12 games.

 

A Raider (10-2) win puts them 2 game s up on KC ...with road games at San Diego and at Denver (8-4) left

 KC (9-3) topped Oakland 26-10 eight weeks ago so a KC win gives KC the division lead on the series sweep.

 Oakland cant come in here and throw the ball 35-40 times and win and I don't think they can run on KC either.

But the Chiefs kick a lot of field goals........This might be a 3-point game

in sub freezing weather, I'd take the 'under' here....

[King Colt]

Should be one of the years best games- two teams that never exchange Christmas cards.

[chad72]

I am rooting for Carr and Murray on my fantasy team, that is for sure

[oldunclemark]

• very, very cold...23 degrees

[2006Coltsbestever]

Brutally cold there with the wind too! Tough game to call here, I would stay away from it if anyone wants to bet on it. Chiefs beat them in Oakland so Oakland will be out for revenge but playing at Arrowhead in the cold is very tough. Oakland has the better QB but Chiefs have the better all-around team. This game could end up in a 20-20 tie.

[oldunclemark]

      This game could break big for KC.....Chiefs were a little lucky last week but they've won 2 big games on the road and they get Jeremy Maclin back..

 

...Chiefs play a conservative, short pass,  bad weather style and Oakland just isn't that team

[Jules]

I'll take the Raiders. Besides, I hope they can get homefield over the Patriots.

 

Most I see are taking the Chiefs everywhere so I am going with the underdog.

 

I also read that oddly enough, the road team often wins in this divisional rivarly.

 

 

[Jules]

Almost every prediction I seen on tv goes to the Chiefs!!!!

Wow.

 

Although it does look unnaturally cold there tonight.......yikes.

[oldunclemark]

Players swear that once the game starts, the cold doesn't matter.

  I never played...but I think they're lying

[Jules]

Everyone does look kinda cold so far lol, they might loosen up though as it goes on.

 

Oh boy big mistake early by the Chiefs on special teams.

 

Raiders ball!!!!

[jvan1973]

2 minutes ago, oldunclemark said:

Players swear that once the game starts, the cold doesn't matter.

  I never played...but I think they're lying

The starters are right,   the guys on the bench certainly know.   But the heated benches and down feather coats make it much easier 

[oldunclemark]

 I now the QBs have heat packs in their pouches..and the lineman probably have them in the uniforms.

I dont know if there's such a thing as heated gloves.

I'm always amazed at how well QBs throw the ball in super cold.

Like I say..I never played or even stood on the sidelines in 23 degrees...

[oldunclemark]

Just now, oldunclemark said:

 I know the QBs have heat packs in their pouches..and the lineman probably have them in the uniforms.

I dont know if there's such a thing as heated gloves.

I'm always amazed at how well QBs throw the ball in super cold.

Like I say..I never played or even stood on the sidelines in 23 degrees...

 

[coltsva]

Not a smart challenge.

[oldunclemark]

wow..I thought Cooper was down..

 

NBC plays the Law and Order theme when they go to a break.

..Come on, man.....you don't have to plug your shows

 

[Jules]

I didn't think that was a fumble either, he looked down IMO.

[Jules]

And well it wasn't a fumble so we see now lol.

[Jules]

Ball must be hard as a rock in the cold? It's like everyone is dropping it.

[oldunclemark]

1 minute ago, Jules said:

Ball must be hard as a rock in the cold? It's like everyone is dropping it.

Carr is throwing well...but the catching part is an issue

[oldunclemark]

Kansas City has 100 barbecue restaurants?

   Why?

Tradition? Is KC an old west cattle town?

[oldunclemark]

awful coverage by oakland

[Jules]

Yeah um don't take the points KC, what the hell.

 

Andy Reid I am not digging early in this game.

[oldunclemark]

4th and 2..stuffed...hope everybody took the 'under'

[Jules]

Was KC in FG range? I didn't notice since I am also working at the same time as watching this.

[oldunclemark]

4 minutes ago, Jules said:

Was KC in FG range? I didn't notice since I am also working at the same time as watching this.

On a night this cold, I dont know

[Gramz]

I'm for the Raiders tonight.   No rhyme or reason,  I just am.  

[oldunclemark]

Alex Smith just does not take any risks throwing..

...Its not great to watch but it works for them

[Jules]

3 minutes ago, oldunclemark said:

On a night this cold, I dont know

 

Raiders offense this year has had a tendency to get "hot" late in games so lets see what happens.......

[Jules]

To be fair yeah the Chiefs have come back in games this year too.

 

Meh Alex Smith just UGH, I try so hard to like him but he can be like "the watching grass grow" version of a QB.

[oldunclemark]

Just now, Jules said:

To be fair yeah the Chiefs have come back in games this year too.

 

Meh Alex Smith just UGH, I try so hard to like him but he can be like "the watching grass grow" version of a QB.

I thought that Denver and Atlanta had them beat the last 2 weeks but I thought wrong

[Jules]

Well there you go, Alex Smith said shut up to me and stuff.

[oldunclemark]

Nice throw....7-3  KC....where was the safety?

[jvan1973]

28 minutes ago, oldunclemark said:

Kansas City has 100 barbecue restaurants?

   Why?

Tradition? Is KC an old west cattle town?

Have you never been to KC?  The bbq is amazing all over Missouri

[oldunclemark]

4 minutes ago, jvan1973 said:

Have you never been to KC?  The bbq is amazing all over Missouri

No, I haven't....but that's all I hear.  Cincy is known for chili, right?

Barbecue and Kansas City...I guess it goes back to the old west...

Like Omaha steaks..

The old cattle drives through the Midwest....Beef "Its what for dinner'!

[oldunclemark]

Cheifs are getting it going here..Oakland cant get their hand s on Alex

[Jules]

COME ON Raiders, lets get some defense going, sheesh.

[Jules]

[oldunclemark]

       I dont understand Cris Colinsworth's 'back foot' ruling?

I've never heard that before..

 

Raiders seem to be shaky here

 

 

[BloodyChamp]

That move to stay behind the line of scrimmage might have been the best play Alex Smith has ever made. Also good job by the WR for sticking with his route.

[oldunclemark]

14-3  Raiders getting whipped,

 

But they were down 24-9 last Sunday, right?