2016-2017 Indiana Pacers season (and the rest of the NBA)

[2006Coltsbestever]

1 minute ago, BullsColtsFan1 said:

Serge Ibaka being traded to the Raptors for Terrence Ross and a 1st Rd pick.  Good pick up for the Raptors, they needed a PF. 

That is a huge pickup for them. He is solid on Defense. Kevin Love is also out for at least 6 weeks, knee scope.

[BullsColtsFan1]

14 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

That is a huge pickup for them. He is solid on Defense. Kevin Love is also out for at least 6 weeks, knee scope.

He's a great defender and he can shoot the mid range and the 3.  It's what they've been missing.  I did read that about Kevin Love.  He received one opinion that he didn't like and the second opinion must have been the same?  Cavs could drop off a little bit in the standings with him and Jr. out. 

[oldunclemark]

7 hours ago, BullsColtsFan1 said:

Serge Ibaka being traded to the Raptors for Terrence Ross and a 1st Rd pick.  Good pick up for the Raptors, they needed a PF. 

I agree.....not happy to see Toronto get better

[oldunclemark]

7 hours ago, BullsColtsFan1 said:

He's a great defender and he can shoot the mid range and the 3.  It's what they've been missing.  I did read that about Kevin Love.  He received one opinion that he didn't like and the second opinion must have been the same?  Cavs could drop off a little bit in the standings with him and Jr. out. 

Isnt that something about Love....I have always liked him,.

Like you say.....I guess whenever you hear about a guy 'looking for second opinion' from a doctor the first opinion was all the way bad

[Bluefire4]

Just passing this along.

[WarGhost21]

Is Drummond an option at the deadline? Myles isn't a great rebounder, and I feel he would play better as our stretch 4. So potentially I would package Thaddeus Young, Monta Ellis, and our 2018 first for Andre Drummond. It works out on the ESPN Trade Machine. Instantly upgrade our rebounding and create a three-headed superstar beast with Drummond, Turner, and George. Would you try to do this if you were the Pacers GM? Thoughts?

[2006Coltsbestever]

20 minutes ago, WarGhost21 said:

Is Drummond an option at the deadline? Myles isn't a great rebounder, and I feel he would play better as our stretch 4. So potentially I would package Thaddeus Young, Monta Ellis, and our 2018 first for Andre Drummond. It works out on the ESPN Trade Machine. Instantly upgrade our rebounding and create a three-headed superstar beast with Drummond, Turner, and George. Would you try to do this if you were the Pacers GM? Thoughts?

Drummond would make us a lot more scary if we only had to give up Young and Ellis. I look at this season and I just don't think with the Roster we have we can beat the Celtics, Wizards, or Raptors in a series now that they got Ibaka. If we could add Drummond that would pull us even with those teams assuming we still are able to keep PG, Teague, and Turner. The Cavs are still on a level by themselves unfortunately.

[RockThatBlue]

Drummond would be an awesome get. He would shore up our rebounding issue as hes one of the best rebounders in the NBA. Hes also a physical player, which is the kind of player Turner needs beside him. 

[2006Coltsbestever]

Until we learn how to guard the 3 point line we aren't going anywhere. Cavs have made 9 3's in the 1st Half. This happens every game against all the Good teams. Why our Coaches don't adjust to this, I have no idea. Cavs are only up 57-54 at Half but have hit 9 3's which is just unacceptable.

[oldunclemark]

5 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

Until we learn how to guard the 3 point line we aren't going anywhere. Cavs have made 9 3's in the 1st Half. This happens every game against all the Good teams. Why our Coaches don't adjust to this, I have no idea. Cavs are only up 57-54 at Half but have hit 9 3's which is just unacceptable.

all the good teams hit a lot of 3s on a lot of teams..its acceptable.

....We dont have a lot of fast young guards and forwards...

 

But 57-54 at the half is good in Cleveland..

.....what we need to do is hit the perimeter shot our own selves...we don't make enough 3s

...we're right in this

 

 

[oldunclemark]

10 hours ago, WarGhost21 said:

Is Drummond an option at the deadline? Myles isn't a great rebounder, and I feel he would play better as our stretch 4. So potentially I would package Thaddeus Young, Monta Ellis, and our 2018 first for Andre Drummond. It works out on the ESPN Trade Machine. Instantly upgrade our rebounding and create a three-headed superstar beast with Drummond, Turner, and George. Would you try to do this if you were the Pacers GM? Thoughts?

I would if I was the Pacers' GM..sure

 

but we're not going to get Drummond for that

[oldunclemark]

Paul George 3 off 15..so far.....we need more....

[Bluefire4]

Even the announcers call out PG for not driving and getting to the rim. That will keep him from being a top ten player.

[2006Coltsbestever]

PG is cold but that isn't our main problem. It's a problem but we aren't playing any perimeter Defense as usual. Cavs just continue to hit wide open 3's.

[2006Coltsbestever]

3 after 3 after 3. Cavs are toying with us.

[Bluefire4]

Welp... we'll probably end on a 6 game losing streak and be close to falling into 7th by the all star break.

[oldunclemark]

5 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

PG is cold but that isn't our main problem. It's a problem but we aren't playing any perimeter Defense as usual. Cavs just continue to hit wide open 3's.

Pg is 3 of 16......right now....vs LBJ...that;s our main problem

 

Cavs only have 6 points in the 3rd so far

[2006Coltsbestever]

4 minutes ago, oldunclemark said:

Pg is 3 of 16......right now....vs LBJ...that;s our main problem

 

Cavs only have 6 points in the 3rd so far

I am not excusing PG but our Defense has been flat out lousy. No hands in face and just letting them shoot. We did the same thing vs the Wizards and even the Bucks. We made Teletovic look like Bird.

[Bluefire4]

Keep it close in the third and guard the 3 in the fourth. Let some of the easy twos go and pound the boards. That is all we can do.

[oldunclemark]

  Big Al cant play much against the Cavs..because they don't have a post offense and he cant pick and roll

[Bluefire4]

Just now, 2006Coltsbestever said:

I am not excusing PG but our Defense has been flat out lousy. No hands in face and just letting them shoot. We did the same thing vs the Wizards and even the Bucks. We made Teletovic look like Bird.

We do too much helping on defense and leave shooters open. Not a good idea against this team. 2's cost less than 3's.

[oldunclemark]

2 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

I am not excusing PG but our Defense has been flat out lousy. No hands in face and just letting them shoot. We did the same thing vs the Wizards and even the Bucks. We made Teletovic look like Bird.

There is no doubt we are not good defensively at the guard and small forward position..

    and with AL  we cant defend pick and roll..no secret

....but you want them to take 20-25 footers..gotta keep LBJ from the rim

 

If guys hit bad shots there;s not  a lot you can d o

[2006Coltsbestever]

Just now, Bluefire4 said:

We do too much helping on defense and leave shooters open. Not a good idea against this team. 2's cost less than 3's.

I agree. Of course if PG was on we may even be winning this game but the one constant I keep seeing is, we play lousy perimeter Defense. Somehow we are only down 83-80 after the 3rd. I have actually loved Bill Walton and Dick Vitale doing this game, it's been hilarious.

[oldunclemark]

5 minutes ago, Bluefire4 said:

We do too much helping on defense and leave shooters open. Not a good idea against this team. 2's cost less than 3's.

'Too much helping on defense' is a not a concept you can go with..

....When they pick you on the perimeter....you have to help

[oldunclemark]

Glenn has to go up stronger..cant get stripped like that

[2006Coltsbestever]

Another 3! Do I need to say more.

[RockThatBlue]

The 7 game win streak was fools gold. 

[Bluefire4]

8 minutes ago, oldunclemark said:

'Too much helping on defense' is a not a concept you can go with..

....When they pick you on the perimeter....you have to help

You don't have to switch every time. You can go over or under the screen and stay on the man. They just aren't putting in the effort. The only ones who should be consistently helping are the center and power forward when someone drives to the basket.

[oldunclemark]

17 3s........we cant defend them out there..and still protect the paint

[2006Coltsbestever]

Korver just hit one from halfcourt. They have hit 17 3's.

[oldunclemark]

when they play with no center we cant defend them..just like last week.

 

..there's nobody that Myles can guard

[RockThatBlue]

PG is just awful tonight. Can't shoot, can't pass, and can't defend. His head just was not in this game.

[Bluefire4]

I'd rather give up twos than threes. This is ridiculous. Kyle Korver must love playing us man.

[oldunclemark]

2 minutes ago, Bluefire4 said:

You don't have to switch every time. You can go over or under the screen and stay on the man. They just aren't putting in the effort. The only ones who should be consistently helping are the center and power forward when someone drives to the basket.

You're watching but you are not seeing..

..When they take out Thompson...Myles (or Big Al) is vulnerable in pick and roll.

 

....We cant defend their small lineup...its not a lack of effort

[2006Coltsbestever]

They don't even need Love to win the East.

[oldunclemark]

Just now, RockThatBlue said:

PG is just awful tonight. Can't shoot, can't pass, and can't defend. His head just was not in this game.

He's been bad.....

[oldunclemark]

Just now, 2006Coltsbestever said:

They don't even need Love to win the East.

I think they do........we dont have the wing players to cover the Cavs

[oldunclemark]

1 minute ago, Bluefire4 said:

I'd rather give up twos than threes. This is ridiculous. Kyle Korver must love playing us man.

I agree..but to single cover Kyrie and LBJ just gives up layups and they shoot 100% on thsoe

[2006Coltsbestever]

Just now, oldunclemark said:

I think they do........we dont have the wing players to cover the Cavs

The East is weak toast for LeBron. Only the Warriors can beat them.

[oldunclemark]

wow... we set a pick and the 3-line and its a foul