Based on current roster archetypes and other factors, here are some players the Colts will likely NOT draft.

[feelingluck-y]

I wouldn't mind a player like Caneron Irving in the 2nd Round.. He is very versatile and can play all over the line. Grisgson loves those type of players. I could see us taking a shot at Marcus Peters who could eventually beat out Greg Toler for the starting job.

[Superman]

Apparently this guy thinks a 2nd team all american doesnt qualify as all american. BOTT, if Grigson thinks he is worth consideration, that is all that matters. Because YOU say teams arent looking at him potentially as a tackle doesnt mean its true. That may be your opinion, but quite frankly, your opinion doesnt hold much weight in NFL circles. Realize that other people may not see it the sane way that you do. Media awards count. Second team awards count.

I don't think media awards matter when it comes to scouting. Michael Sam was SEC DPOY. That doesn't mean he can play in the NFL.

[SteelCityColt]

I don't think media awards matter when it comes to scouting. Michael Sam was SEC DPOY. That doesn't mean he can play in the NFL.

It's back to the same mantra for the draft.. All that matters is the tape.

[RealityIsLuck]

Ok you keep bringing up this Eli Harold game so I finally had time to sit and watch it.

http://draftbreakdown.com/video/eli-harold-vs-cameron-erving-2014/

Where is this utter dominance from Harold that you speak of? This was all in all a good game from Erving, Harold was pretty much a non factor in this game

Not that I wanted to stretch this out any longer, but this really made me laugh. Please watch these gifs and tell me it's a good game still. 

 

Eli Harold easily beats Erving with quick hands, then runs right through him, gets back inside and disrupts, forces and early throw.

http://www.draftbreakdown.com/gif-embed/?clip=256704&gif=WellgroomedGloriousFlamingo 

 

Harold just straight out beats Erving with speed, gets to carrier disrupts.

http://www.draftbreakdown.com/gif-embed/?clip=256704&gif=NippyDearestDikdik

 

Very poor, mediocre cut block.

http://www.draftbreakdown.com/gif-embed/?clip=256704&gif=ImaginativeOfficialHairstreak

 

Horrible use of length on the edge.

http://www.draftbreakdown.com/gif-embed/?clip=256704&gif=MenacingActiveBarebirdbat

 

Way to easy to slide off block in run game.

http://www.draftbreakdown.com/gif-embed/?clip=256704&gif=PowerfulEnragedHornedtoad

 

Took Harold like .5 seconds to get off this week block.

http://www.draftbreakdown.com/gif-embed/?clip=256704&gif=WarlikeElderlyKodiakbear

 

Horrible use of length. 

http://www.draftbreakdown.com/gif-embed/?clip=256704&gif=OddballSkeletalBarebirdbat

 

Again, very unimpressive cut block.

http://www.draftbreakdown.com/gif-embed/?clip=256704&gif=VariableInstructiveLamprey

 

Can't hold this block for his life. Harold basically blows up the play because of Ervings lack of ability to keep him blocked.

http://www.draftbreakdown.com/gif-embed/?clip=256704&gif=VioletWaterloggedBangeltiger

 

lol. Thats all I can say way too many things wrong.

http://www.draftbreakdown.com/gif-embed/?clip=256704&gif=ZestyEnergeticFieldmouse

 

Just flat out beat off snap, can't use length to recover. 

http://www.draftbreakdown.com/gif-embed/?clip=256704&gif=EnchantedWelllitKestrel

 

Straight up just beat and can't recover again.

http://www.draftbreakdown.com/gif-embed/?clip=256704&gif=UniformSpryCanadagoose

 

Feeling a trend? Beat off the line AGAIN, can't recover. 

http://www.draftbreakdown.com/gif-embed/?clip=256704&gif=GreedyImpressiveAzurewingedmagpie

 

Are we watching the same game? lol. This was a pathetic showing by Erving and shows exactly why he's gonna be drafted to be a Center and not a OT. 

[BOTT]

Apparently this guy thinks a 2nd team all american doesnt qualify as all american. BOTT, if Grigson thinks he is worth consideration, that is all that matters. Because YOU say teams arent looking at him potentially as a tackle doesnt mean its true. That may be your opinion, but quite frankly, your opinion doesnt hold much weight in NFL circles. Realize that other people may not see it the sane way that you do. Media awards count. Second team awards count.

Again, thanks for informing me that my opinion is in fact, my own opinion. Riddle solved.

[horseshoeblue22]

Again, thanks for informing me that my opinion is in fact, my own opinion. Riddle solved.

The thing is, you said no one is looking at Erving as anything other then a center. There is no way you could or would know that as a fact. I said it was possible they could look at his versatility. You said that I was wrong. So unless you have discussed this with all 32 general managers in the league, and used that experience to draw your conclusion, your opinion on the matter is irrelevant. 

[Manning1887]

Passing on Marcus Peters would be a mistake.

[BOTT]

The thing is, you said no one is looking at Erving as anything other then a center. There is no way you could or would know that as a fact. I said it was possible they could look at his versatility. You said that I was wrong. So unless you have discussed this with all 32 general managers in the league, and used that experience to draw your conclusion, your opinion on the matter is irrelevant.

Dear god, stop being a wuss. I gave an opinion that differed from you...deal with it.

Plus, I didn't say you were wrong. I said nobody was drafting him to play OT.

[horseshoeblue22]

 I said nobody was drafting him to play OT.

 

And I said that is it possible that at least one of 32 GMs would disagree with you. So, Erving would have went un-drafted if he hadn't played Center for a few games at the end of his senior season? Is that what you are saying? To me, it sounds like you are saying "There is no way that Erving could pass as an NFL-level OT. I know because I said so." You are passing your opinion off as a fact, and starting acting like a "wuss" when I called you out on it.

 

My original post was in reference to the OP's claim that the Colts won't target Erving in the first four rounds because he's a center. I said he's more then a center, they MIGHT consider him.

 

You claim he cannot play OT simply because well, you say he can't.

 

Care to share your in-depth analysis that suggests why he can't play OT? Eli Harold is talked about as a guy who could be picked in the 1st round. Just because another elite talent got the better of him on one day doesn't mean he can't cut it in the NFL. Winston looked awful against Oregon in the BCS playoffs, but that didn't seem to have any effect on his draft stock.

 

So why, exactly, is it that Erving couldn't succeed at OG or OT in the NFL? 

[horseshoeblue22]

I don't think media awards matter when it comes to scouting. Michael Sam was SEC DPOY. That doesn't mean he can play in the NFL.

 

Awards don't or shouldn't matter when it comes to scouting, that much is true. Tim Tebow won the Heisman. A lot of flame outs have won major college awards. Erving was an "All American", that's not false information. He was second-team, yes...but second-team is still All-American. That's like saying Donte Moncrief is not a member of the Indianapolis Colts because he is not a "first-team" guy. Second-team players are still part of that team. I don't even see how that is debatable.

 

Should we pick Erving? I don't know...that's not even what I am arguing here. All I am saying is that Erving was more then a center. I have seen draft websites touting his versatility, and suggesting that he could play C, G, or RT in the NFL and the opinions of personnel directors differ regarding which spot would be his most natural fit. Like Shaq Thompson, he could be projected to a different position based on which team picks him.

 

Is C his best position? Consensus seems to think so. Is C his ONLY position? Obviously not, and it's not debatable.

[Superman]

Awards don't or shouldn't matter when it comes to scouting, that much is true. Tim Tebow won the Heisman. A lot of flame outs have won major college awards. Erving was an "All American", that's not false information. He was second-team, yes...but second-team is still All-American. That's like saying Donte Moncrief is not a member of the Indianapolis Colts because he is not a "first-team" guy. Second-team players are still part of that team. I don't even see how that is debatable.

 

Should we pick Erving? I don't know...that's not even what I am arguing here. All I am saying is that Erving was more then a center. I have seen draft websites touting his versatility, and suggesting that he could play C, G, or RT in the NFL and the opinions of personnel directors differ regarding which spot would be his most natural fit. Like Shaq Thompson, he could be projected to a different position based on which team picks him.

 

Is C his best position? Consensus seems to think so. Is C his ONLY position? Obviously not, and it's not debatable.

 

From a very literal standpoint, yes, Erving can play multiple positions. Michael Jordan also played multiple sports, but no one would call him a good baseball player. Shaq Thompson can play RB, but he's a defensive player.

 

Based on what I've watched, along with what I've read and heard from media types and draft heads, the consensus is that Erving is a much better center than tackle. I think "versatility" is a buzz word anymore. Sure, it holds true in certain cases, but Erving's appeal -- IMO -- isn't his versatility. It's his plus play at center that even makes him a first round consideration.

 

As far as the awards and all that is concerned, I'm not sure why that's even being discussed. You can look up his awards and accolades very easily. I'm not debating whether he was an All American or not; that's someone else's fight. To me, it's not really relevant. We can all name examples of players who won college awards, but couldn't play in the pros, in every sport. I believe Erving can play in the pros, but his best shot is interior line, not tackle. 

[horseshoeblue22]

 

As far as the awards and all that is concerned, I'm not sure why that's even being discussed. You can look up his awards and accolades very easily. I'm not debating whether he was an All American or not; that's someone else's fight. To me, it's not really relevant. We can all name examples of players who won college awards, but couldn't play in the pros, in every sport. I believe Erving can play in the pros, but his best shot is interior line, not tackle. 

 

I only mentioned the awards because RealityIsLuck said that his awards were false information. That's just silly. I never meant to say that those awards were relevant in scouting him as a pro. My reference to Shaq Thompson was that he has been discussed as an inside linebacker, outside linebacker and/or a safety. He doesn't want to play running-back, so his skills at that position are likely to be irrelevant.

 

I expect Erving will go into training camp with an opportunity to win the starting job at center, for whatever team that picks him. My only point was, that hypothetically, IF he cannot win the starting C job for that team, he would likely at least be given an opportunity somewhere else along the line. If Erving were to still available in the 2nd round when the Colts choose, I think he would be worth considering. If he is still there in the 3rd, I don't see the Colts passing on him at that point. They would be crazy to pass on him in the 4th round. To say we wouldn't pick him before RD5 because the front office simply doesn't value centers, that's asinine and I really hope you see my point.

 

Realistically he will be starting for some team at the C position. If a team really likes him, say Oakland in the second round, or another team that has a high-priced, established center already on the roster, it is not out of the realm of possibility that we could see him starting at OG or even OT.

 

Would he be seen as a potential 1st-round guy if he was never moved to C? Probably not. But he wouldn't have went un-drafted either. He was an at least an average-adequate OT that really took his game to another level when he moved inside. He was not a "terrible" player at Tackle at the collegiate level, evidenced by the fact that he got some nice accolades at that position. Would he be a terrible OT at the pro level? I don't know, I left my crystal ball in another tread.

[HtownColt]

Not that I wanted to stretch this out any longer, but this really made me laugh. Please watch these gifs and tell me it's a good game still.

Eli Harold easily beats Erving with quick hands, then runs right through him, gets back inside and disrupts, forces and early throw.

http://www.draftbreakdown.com/gif-embed/?clip=256704&gif=WellgroomedGloriousFlamingo

Harold just straight out beats Erving with speed, gets to carrier disrupts.

http://www.draftbreakdown.com/gif-embed/?clip=256704&gif=NippyDearestDikdik

Very poor, mediocre cut block.

http://www.draftbreakdown.com/gif-embed/?clip=256704&gif=ImaginativeOfficialHairstreak

Horrible use of length on the edge.

http://www.draftbreakdown.com/gif-embed/?clip=256704&gif=MenacingActiveBarebirdbat

Way to easy to slide off block in run game.

http://www.draftbreakdown.com/gif-embed/?clip=256704&gif=PowerfulEnragedHornedtoad

Took Harold like .5 seconds to get off this week block.

http://www.draftbreakdown.com/gif-embed/?clip=256704&gif=WarlikeElderlyKodiakbear

Horrible use of length.

http://www.draftbreakdown.com/gif-embed/?clip=256704&gif=OddballSkeletalBarebirdbat

Again, very unimpressive cut block.

http://www.draftbreakdown.com/gif-embed/?clip=256704&gif=VariableInstructiveLamprey

Can't hold this block for his life. Harold basically blows up the play because of Ervings lack of ability to keep him blocked.

http://www.draftbreakdown.com/gif-embed/?clip=256704&gif=VioletWaterloggedBangeltiger

lol. Thats all I can say way too many things wrong.

http://www.draftbreakdown.com/gif-embed/?clip=256704&gif=ZestyEnergeticFieldmouse

Just flat out beat off snap, can't use length to recover.

http://www.draftbreakdown.com/gif-embed/?clip=256704&gif=EnchantedWelllitKestrel

Straight up just beat and can't recover again.

http://www.draftbreakdown.com/gif-embed/?clip=256704&gif=UniformSpryCanadagoose

Feeling a trend? Beat off the line AGAIN, can't recover.

http://www.draftbreakdown.com/gif-embed/?clip=256704&gif=GreedyImpressiveAzurewingedmagpie

Are we watching the same game? lol. This was a pathetic showing by Erving and shows exactly why he's gonna be drafted to be a Center and not a OT.

The purpose of a cut block is to get the defenders hands down because it's going to be a quick throw, mission complete you don't have to take him to the ground to have a successful cut block.

And most of these are speed rushes where he just rides him past the QB like you are supposed to do with a speed rusher.

His bull rushes against Erving were poor, he's a speed rusher and nothing else. He had 2 legitamate hurries in 35 attempts. Watching it and realizing what the play is designed to do yes Erving did quite well.

More agree with me than you think, Erving is a better center than he is tackle but he isn't this atrocious OT you make him out to be:

@NFL_Draft_Guy: @CFD22 Thoughts on Eli Harold? I really like him on a hybrid defensive team. Looked great vs. Louisville but Cam Erving stoned him vs FSU

@McDraft2: @JuMosq I'm not a fan of Harold at all. Games vs Flowers and Erving were telling

@Manny_PPI: That Cam Erving vs Eli Harold tape is disturbing… For Eli, at least.

@SigmundBloom: Erving - projected @ C in NFL - shuts Harold down @draftbreakdown: Eli Harold vs Cam Erving http://t.co/PVuu7snYtC

@dpbrugler: @SigmundBloom Harold (and Vic Beasley) said Erving was the toughest OT they faced.

[Jdubu]

Buddy, I'm calm.. And I'm confident on what I am saying.. I'm not wrong and if that's all you have to say "you're wrong anyway" then I don't even want to waste my time trying to explain or debate with you.

I love it when people state they are not wrong, have never been wrong and will never be shown as wrong even in the light of proof. The guy pulls out all the awards the kid has been given and you state those don't mean anything but your review (unless you're a professional scout) means more than all those sites combined is quite laughable. One can argue they are skewed somewhat due to popular names chosen but the fact is, the kid received them over so many other options to give them to. Relax and enjoy some draft discussion instead of your facts trumping all those other people who do this for a living.

[BOTT]

And I said that is it possible that at least one of 32 GMs would disagree with you. So, Erving would have went un-drafted if he hadn't played Center for a few games at the end of his senior season? Is that what you are saying? To me, it sounds like you are saying "There is no way that Erving could pass as an NFL-level OT. I know because I said so." You are passing your opinion off as a fact, and starting acting like a "wuss" when I called you out on it.

 

My original post was in reference to the OP's claim that the Colts won't target Erving in the first four rounds because he's a center. I said he's more then a center, they MIGHT consider him.

 

You claim he cannot play OT simply because well, you say he can't.

 

Care to share your in-depth analysis that suggests why he can't play OT? Eli Harold is talked about as a guy who could be picked in the 1st round. Just because another elite talent got the better of him on one day doesn't mean he can't cut it in the NFL. Winston looked awful against Oregon in the BCS playoffs, but that didn't seem to have any effect on his draft stock.

 

So why, exactly, is it that Erving couldn't succeed at OG or OT in the NFL?

Good lord. Here is something you evidently don't understand. When you see the name BOTT associated with the avatar to the left...ITS MY OPINION. Duh

Stop arguing like a little girl. Geez

[horseshoeblue22]

So why, in your opinion, is it that Erving couldnt succeed if put in a competition at RT? If you have an opinion so strong on this subject, I dont think its unreasonable to ask you why you feel that way.