Broncos gamble on DT Phil Taylor

[oldunclemark]

He was solid for the Browns but he didn't play all last year and he's hurt a lot.

Very big 330-340..and he used to be good..

 

Denver may not be able to sign Malik Jackson and they have no true noseguard anyway.

Low risk...high reward

[oldunclemark]

Oakland and Jack Del Rio reportedly will pay big bucks for Jackson....and they have something like $70 mil in cap space

[chad72]

Wade Philips wants to go back to the Chargers' style of defense for his 1-gap. He had a 350 lb Jamaal Williams for NT, and Merriman and Philips for OLBs. 

 

This also means that they are preparing for life without Malik Jackson, which would mean rotating Phil Taylor with still Antonio Smith and Vance Walker at NT primarily but moving Sly Williams to DE along with Derek Wolfe. It will make it harder to run against them at the edges but the pass rush will slightly suffer but as long as Ware and Miller are cooking with Ray and Barrett improving, that D will still be a top 5 D.

[BOTT]

23 hours ago, oldunclemark said:

Oakland and Jack Del Rio reportedly will pay big bucks for Jackson....and they have something like $70 mil in cap space

Reportedly the raiders were prepared to sign every valuable FA the last couple years.  Didn't work out.

[oldunclemark]

$70 million in cap space.....

..doesn't matter if it 'works out' if they take your players, does it?

[rock8591]

Not sure if it's a gamble...when likely a $1-2 million, 1 year salary.

[jskinnz]

On 2/23/2016 at 7:38 PM, oldunclemark said:

He was solid for the Browns but he didn't play all last year and he's hurt a lot.

Very big 330-340..and he used to be good..

 

Denver may not be able to sign Malik Jackson and they have no true noseguard anyway.

Low risk...high reward

 

Isn't low risk, high reward the antithesis of a gamble?  

 

Denver did something that essentially every NFL team in the league will do.  That isn't close to a gamble.

[BOTT]

10 hours ago, oldunclemark said:

$70 million in cap space.....

..doesn't matter if it 'works out' if they take your players, does it?

You misunderstood.  Oakland didn't get all the players they wanted and even lost a couple of their own.  Having a lot of cap space doesn't guarantee anything.

[bayone]

On 2/23/2016 at 8:52 PM, oldunclemark said:

Oakland and Jack Del Rio reportedly will pay big bucks for Jackson....and they have something like $70 mil in cap space

 

On 2/23/2016 at 9:39 PM, chad72 said:

Wade Philips wants to go back to the Chargers' style of defense for his 1-gap. He had a 350 lb Jamaal Williams for NT, and Merriman and Philips for OLBs. 

 

This also means that they are preparing for life without Malik Jackson, which would mean rotating Phil Taylor with still Antonio Smith and Vance Walker at NT primarily but moving Sly Williams to DE along with Derek Wolfe. It will make it harder to run against them at the edges but the pass rush will slightly suffer but as long as Ware and Miller are cooking with Ray and Barrett improving, that D will still be a top 5 D.

 

They may be able to sign Von now & use tag for Malik as below

 

Multiple articles follow below

 

Still if Peyton retires, which I hope, go enjoy the family , then couldnt care at all about what Broncos do save would like Colts to grab some Denver FA's like  LB Trevathan

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I think Taylor would be in the rotation mix then with Sly  & rest  including last years pick at DT Kilgo who they are high on

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Taylor was part of the Broncos' December tryouts. He was one of eight players to take part in a Dec. 22 session at the Pat Bowlen Fieldhouse.

 

The 6-foot-3, 335-pound Taylor started 42 games for the Browns, posting seven sacks and 69 tackles. He is likely to factor in the competition at nose tackle with  Sylvester Williams  and Darius Kilgo .

 

http://www.denverbroncos.com/news-and-blogs/article-1/Broncos-add-DT-Phil-Taylor-and-TE-Richard-Gordon/778c2801-c322-4fea-b929-526dc0187bfc

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The first came from the NFL Network's Ian Rapoport that the Denver Broncos and Von Miller were close to a "mega" deal. That led to wild speculation on what that means for the franchise tag and who John Elway could use it on.

There wasn't much news from his news conference at the NFL Combine in Indianapolis. Rather, the news came when he spoke with local reporters afterwards.

That's when Elway said he will not use the tag on quarterback Brock Osweiler and is open to using it on Malik Jackson. That makes total sense since the money for a franchise tag on a quarterback is over $19 million. No way Elway or the Broncos put that on the cap for 2016, on top of what Miller will get - even if it's a cap-friendly deal.

http://www.milehighreport.com/2016/2/25/11116914/john-elway-broncos-wont-use-the-franchise-tag-on-brock-osweiler

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after some talks with Miller Elway  "  we are in the ball park "

John Elway said he and Von Miller have had positive talks that leave him hoping they will strike a deal before March 1.

http://www.denverbroncos.com/news-and-blogs/article-1/Elway-hopeful-about-early-talks-with-Von-Miller/b44a7897-36f8-4082-904c-854860761746

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Elway & Miller's agents to talk more Friday

http://www.milehighreport.com/2016/2/25/11116622/report-broncos-to-meet-with-von-millers-reps-on-friday

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Elway wants to talk to Clady  Restructuring to save cap space, Clady indicated he would earlier , also wants to talk to Ware wanting him back, may or may not ask to restructure & / or extend Ware's contract

 

Reading between the lines there, it certainly appears as though Elway would be fine with leaving Ware's contract alone or perhaps even extending it - just given how little he said regarding Ware at all. The same cannot be said of Clady.

 

Elway clearly wants to restructure Clady's contract as that money is desperately needed to fill the talent deficiencies on along the offensive line. The good news is, Clady appears willing to get that done.

 

http://www.milehighreport.com/2016/2/25/11117224/john-elway-wants-demarcus-ware-back-will-talk-with-ryan-clady-as-well/in/10728085

 

[oldunclemark]

On ‎2‎/‎24‎/‎2016 at 0:45 PM, jskinnz said:

 

Isn't low risk, high reward the antithesis of a gamble?  

 

Denver did something that essentially every NFL team in the league will do.  That isn't close to a gamble.

Not by definition.....low risk is still some risk...isn't it?

They're gambling that he wont get hurt..not that he cant play.

If they need him and they think he'll be there and then he's hurt again..they lost the gamble

[oldunclemark]

On ‎2‎/‎24‎/‎2016 at 0:54 PM, BOTT said:

You misunderstood.  Oakland didn't get all the players they wanted and even lost a couple of their own.  Having a lot of cap space doesn't guarantee anything.

Nothing guarnatees anything.....I'm just saying they can outbid Denver..... They can overpay...

they don't have their top pass rusher and their QB yet to pay.....They already have those guys locked up.

.....If Denver offers 12 mil for 3 years...Oakland can easily pay $14 for 4 years.

Its overpaying but they could do it to strengthen their team and weaken a division rival

[BOTT]

37 minutes ago, oldunclemark said:

Nothing guarnatees anything.....I'm just saying they can outbid Denver..... They can overpay...

they don't have their top pass rusher and their QB yet to pay.....They already have those guys locked up.

.....If Denver offers 12 mil for 3 years...Oakland can easily pay $14 for 4 years.

Its overpaying but they could do it to strengthen their team and weaken a division rival

Thanks for rambling and saying nothing.

[our_dbs_rock]

15 hours ago, oldunclemark said:

Nothing guarnatees anything.....I'm just saying they can outbid Denver..... They can overpay...

they don't have their top pass rusher and their QB yet to pay.....They already have those guys locked up.

.....If Denver offers 12 mil for 3 years...Oakland can easily pay $14 for 4 years.

Its overpaying but they could do it to strengthen their team and weaken a division rival

 

wait, what?  I'm not a mathematician but I'm pretty sure that offering less won't lure players away

[NFLfan]

17 hours ago, oldunclemark said:

....If Denver offers 12 mil for 3 years...Oakland can easily pay $14 for 4 years.

Its overpaying but they could do it to strengthen their team and weaken a division rival

 

2 hours ago, our_dbs_rock said:

 

wait, what?  I'm not a mathematician but I'm pretty sure that offering less won't lure players away

 

The poster meant to write 3 years at 12M/year and 4 years at 14M/year.  

 

With all the available cap money, Jackson may be offered an even bigger contract.

[oldunclemark]

19 hours ago, BOTT said:

Thanks for rambling and saying nothing.

They can outbid Denver....that's the point you're not grasping..

They have cap room Denver does not

..and even if Jackson wasnt great for them..they took him away from Denver..

 

Its pretty simple

[bayone]

1 hour ago, oldunclemark said:

They can outbid Denver....that's the point you're not grasping..

They have cap room Denver does not

..and even if Jackson wasnt great for them..they took him away from Denver..

 

Its pretty simple

 

absolutely correct , u r paying to not just upgrade your team but to degrade a Rival u need to beat to get to the payoffs

[BOTT]

5 hours ago, oldunclemark said:

They can outbid Denver....that's the point you're not grasping..

They have cap room Denver does not

..and even if Jackson wasnt great for them..they took him away from Denver..

 

Its pretty simple

Of course they can.  They could have outbid Arizona for Veldheer....and probably did, yet Veldheer left.  Every year people claim TeamX is going to sign everyone and it never happens.

[oldunclemark]

  Sure it does....Packers signed Julius Peppers away from the Bears..who didnt want to pay him what he'd been making.......Jets signing Revis helped them and hurt NE..

And this is about Malik Jackson...and Del Rio coached him.......

...AND he played for Denver.....AND they have more bucks to pay than Denver..

 

..so many reasons to do it here....kinda obvious

[BOTT]

23 minutes ago, oldunclemark said:

  Sure it does....Packers signed Julius Peppers away from the Bears..who didnt want to pay him what he'd been making.......Jets signing Revis helped them and hurt NE..

And this is about Malik Jackson...and Del Rio coached him.......

...AND he played for Denver.....AND they have more bucks to pay than Denver..

 

..so many reasons to do it here....kinda obvious

Ok, we aren't communicating correctly or something. Let's move on.