Cut 'em or Keep 'em

[throwing BBZ]

Grigson and his Mentor will cut Andre and Trent before free agency.
 

 We will be loyal to DQ. That is how we Run here.
 I am thinking a post June 1 cut allows us to spread A Jones $3.3M Dead cap out over 2 years if we want. No?

 Keep Art. Would love to see what these posters think their Jones restructuring would look like!
 

 Walden plays so hard but is Mediocre. Easily can be cut for a signed FA upgrade.

 The rest go to camp to earn 53 man roster spots.

[DougDew]

13 hours ago, Superman said:

 

Which means you need to drastically upgrade the OLBs. Doesn't mean you need to keep the bad ones.

 

They completely rebuilt the defensive line last year. They didn't keep Redding because he was one of the best we had. Cole can go. 

I think there was more depth behind Redding than there is behind Cole. I'm merely saying that if Cole is number 1, the upgrade needs to be secured before Cole should be cut.

 

I think by the start of next season the OLBs will be upgraded and its unlikely Cole will be with the team at the same price.  I just wouldn't cut him until after the draft.

[GoColts8818]

2 minutes ago, DougDew said:

I think there was more depth behind Redding than there is behind Cole. I'm merely saying that if Cole is number 1, the upgrade needs to be secured before Cole should be cut.

 

I think by the start of next season the OLBs will be upgraded and its unlikely Cole will be with the team at the same price.  I just wouldn't cut him until after the draft.

He's not the number one he's at best the number three.

[DougDew]

14 hours ago, GoColts8818 said:

Mathis and Walden are our top two OLBers althought for different reasons.  Again, Cole gave you a little more production to the team than Newsome did.  Newsome is younger and far cheaper.  There is no reason you couldn't release Cole, see what Newsome can do under the new DC and see if he can find away to get Newsome back to his rookie self and then draft another OLBer and be fine in terms of pass rushing linebackers. 

Walden doesn't play Cole's side.  Its Newsome.  I'd wait to make sure I secured someone better before I cut Cole and  put myself into a corner trying to find an OLB in FA or hope a college rookie is sitting there available when we pick.

 

The only vet on the OP list that you can cut now is AJ, because there are three guys ahead of him...all can play on the outside.

[DougDew]

4 minutes ago, GoColts8818 said:

He's not the number one he's at best the number three.

I think he is the number 1 rush LB because he plays the run much better than Mathis.  Its Cole, Mathis, and Newsome, IMO.  Walden and Werner play the other side.

 

I'd hate to telegraph my intentions to the NFL by going into FA or the draft with just Mathis, Newsome, Walden, and Werner.  I'd be putting myself into a position where I'd have to sign a vet or pick one high in the draft.

[GoColts8818]

26 minutes ago, DougDew said:

Walden doesn't play Cole's side.  Its Newsome.  I'd wait to make sure I secured someone better before I cut Cole and  put myself into a corner trying to find an OLB in FA or hope a college rookie is sitting there available when we pick.

 

The only vet on the OP list that you can cut now is AJ, because there are three guys ahead of him...all can play on the outside.

He's not because Mathis is the starter when not on a pitch count per his injury.  Walden is the other starter on the other side so Cole is at most the number three overall OLBer.  

 

Cole's salary makes him very expendable.  He is scheduled to make more than Mathis despite producing less with more time because of Mathis's pitch count.  There is almost no way they will pay 11.1 mil for both Mathis and Cole next year.  They just aren't giving you that kind of value.  

 

The fact they already have a younger guy in Newsome on the roster who can play rush linebacker also makes one of them expendable.  

 

Its very likely they bring Newsome back with a new OLBer (probably drafted) and keep Mathis or Cole. Since Mathis is cheaper and produced more in less time I think Mathis is who they keep.

[DougDew]

48 minutes ago, GoColts8818 said:

He's not because Mathis is the starter when not on a pitch count per his injury.  Walden is the other starter on the other side so Cole is at most the number three overall OLBer.  

 

Cole's salary makes him very expendable.  He is scheduled to make more than Mathis despite producing less with more time because of Mathis's pitch count.  There is almost no way they will pay 11.1 mil for both Mathis and Cole next year.  They just aren't giving you that kind of value.  

 

The fact they already have a younger guy in Newsome on the roster who can play rush linebacker also makes one of them expendable.  

 

Its very likely they bring Newsome back with a new OLBer (probably drafted) and keep Mathis or Cole. Since Mathis is cheaper and produced more in less time I think Mathis is who they keep.

1, 2, or 3, I wouldn't cut Cole or Mathis until I secured a replacement.  The offseason roster can go up to 90 or something so why put yourself in a bind and cut a player before you have to...unless you need the cap room to sign an expensive vet.

[ztboiler]

18 hours ago, DougDew said:

I think he is the number 1 rush LB because he plays the run much better than Mathis.  Its Cole, Mathis, and Newsome, IMO.  Walden and Werner play the other side.

 

I'd hate to telegraph my intentions to the NFL by going into FA or the draft with just Mathis, Newsome, Walden, and Werner.  I'd be putting myself into a position where I'd have to sign a vet or pick one high in the draft.

To the bolded...there is no shell game in the NFL.  They've all watched the film.  They know that Cole doesn't change the OLB equation.  We've telegraphed our desperation for an OLB with our game film including Cole.  It makes no difference.  

 

Cole won't make it to April.

[Live and let live]

On ‎1‎/‎29‎/‎2016 at 0:40 PM, SkyBane said:

There's been a lot of discussion on this recently so why not make a thread about it. I'll list players on our roster and what we save on the cap by cutting them, you guys decide whether to cut 'em or keep 'em.

 

Andre Johnson- $5 million

Trent Cole- $6.1 million

D'Qwell Jackson- $5.25 million

Arthur Jones- $2.3 million

Robert Mathis- $5 million

Kendall Langford- $3.5 million

Erik Walden- $4 million

Bjoern Werner- $1.48 million

Nate Irving- $2 million

 

Projected Salary cap- $154,997,504

Current cap room before cuts or other signings- $21,200,110

 

If I missed someone you're curious about, I'll add them to the list at request.

I would cut them all but Langford. I might sign Jackson for less money if the opportunity arises.

[Slick12]

I would cut Cole, and try to restructure DQ and AJ, if they didn't want to I would cut them. The rest I would keep. I also would eventually cut one of the OC, probably Harrison because it looks like we are shifting to a zone blocking scheme. Which I don't believe he would fit well in.

[Horse Shoe Heaven]

The only one I would cut for sure is Cole, he so under preformed IMO.  I would keep all the rest of them and Johnson IMO was underused & not used to his strengths IMO as well. If coaching staff thinks he is done then I might cut him to.

[Horse Shoe Heaven]

On 1/30/2016 at 10:34 AM, DougDew said:

I think there was more depth behind Redding than there is behind Cole. I'm merely saying that if Cole is number 1, the upgrade needs to be secured before Cole should be cut.

 

I think by the start of next season the OLBs will be upgraded and its unlikely Cole will be with the team at the same price.  I just wouldn't cut him until after the draft.

The only one I would cut for sure is Cole, he so under preformed IMO.  I would keep all the rest of them and Johnson IMO was underused & not used to his strengths IMO as well. If coaching staff thinks he is done then I might cut him to.

[Horse Shoe Heaven]

Just now, Horse Shoe Heaven said:

The only one I would cut for sure is Cole, he so under preformed IMO.  I would keep all the rest of them and Johnson IMO was underused & not used to his strengths IMO as well. If coaching staff thinks he is done then I might cut him to. The upgrade maybe Newsome and Werner getting to play, both didn't get much time because of Cole, thus neither did much to get better!

 

[superrep1967]

On 1/29/2016 at 5:56 PM, ColtsFanMikeC said:

 

A. Johnson -- Keep (maybe try to restructure) -- he didn't have a great year, but I think it's hard to judge him based on the fact that Luck was having a down year prior to getting hurt and threw multiple bad passes AJ's way and there were numerous games where I thought he was getting open but just not being targeted.  I still think it's nice to have a big-body with his ability and with his experience in the mix with the young 'speedsters.'

Trent Cole -- Cut.  We signed him to be a pass-rush specialist and he was unable to show results.  He seems to have lost a step, and we need to get younger across the board at LB.

DQ - Keep.  Dude is a solid player, very good tackler, and even at his age he didn't show any signs of slowing down last year.  Irving and Moore didn't do much to suggest they'd be able to play at DQ's level if they had to step in full time.  He is also a leader on this team.  I'd be happy to see us draft a young ILB or give Irving/Moore another year to bounce back from their injuries and see what they're made of, but like having DQ on the roster.

Art Jones -- Keep.  I think he's our best DL when healthy (which hasn't been often).  He'll be familiar with the new DC.  The fact Anderson is probably not going to be full strength at beginning of season is one more reason to keep Art.  Hopefully the new strength coach can help keep him on the field.

Mathis -- Keep.  He got better as the season progressed, is probably the number one leader in the locker room, and we don't really have any proven pass rushers behind him.

Langford -- Keep, obvious reasons.

Walden -- Keep, he played well last year.  I'd like to see us get a young OLB or 2, also, but right now I don't see anyone on this roster or any guarantees that we'll bring someone in that can play at the same or a higher level as Walden.

Werner -- Keep, but make him earn his spot in training camp.  New DC might be good for him, plus $1.48 mil isn't all that much savings.  If he gets outperformed in camp/preseason, then I hope he doesn't make the roster, but I think it's well worth giving him that chance.

Nate Irving -- Keep.  He was coming off major injury and is still pretty young. 

 

 

Sio did next to nothing to suggest we can count on him as a full time starter, and is probably not as well suited for SAM as he is at ILB.  Irving also did next to nothing to suggest he could replace DQ at the same or a higher level of play -- plus we don't know if he'll be able to stay healthy enough to be a full time starter over the season.

 

 

I hear what you're saying, but we really have no proven pass rushers on this team besides Robert.  Cole looked like he lost a step last year and Newsome seemed to regress.  Mathis seemed to get stronger as the year went on.  I'm all for bringing in multiple young OLB with pass-rush potential, but would be very nervous going into next year without some confidence in the pass rush (outside of Mathis, I have none for our team right now).

Anybody who thinks we should keep A.Johnson is a well anyway. I think we should kick him off the team so far that he lands in Houston and Houston will say Houston we have a problem. He sucked so bad last season that it was almost laughable. He looked old, slow and disinterested.  

[NagelHausForge]

Andre Johnson- $5 million: Cut.  Didn't see anything to justify paying him.  If he comes back at less?  Keep.

Trent Cole- $6.1 million: Cut.  Same as above.  Cut, unless he is willing to restructure.

D'Qwell Jackson- $5.25 million: He can't cover, that's for sure.  But is there someone better we can get?  He is stout against the run that's for sure.  I say Keep unless we find someone better and cheaper.

Arthur Jones- $2.3 million: Cut.  Can't stay healthy.

Robert Mathis- $5 million: Keep.  Stayed healthy and came up bit when it counted.

Kendall Langford- $3.5 million: Keep. 

Erik Walden- $4 million: Keep.  He is solid, though usually good for some dumb penalties during the season.

Bjoern Werner- $1.48 million: At this price might as well keep him.

Nate Irving- $2 million: Did he even play?  Cut.

 

That gives up an additional 15.4 mil on top of the 21 mil projected for our cap space.  36.4 total.  If Grigson is smart he could make that work I think.

[jet1968]

Langford is definately a keeper.

Johnson and Cole need cut. Not only to save cap money but to free up 2 roster spots. Very much underacheiving efforts this year.

The rest could be upgraded if there is players out there to upgrade each position.

[bellboys]

cut Johnson, Jones(can't stay healthy), and Cole. Believe they could save close to 15 mil.