Jonathan Taylor comments on his contract/Request trade (Merge)

[GoColts8818]

11 minutes ago, CR91 said:

 

You think we're using three backs? You realize there's only one football right? What do you suggest? A back per drive?

Even the great Manning teams found ways to use Edge, Rhodes, and Mungro in the same backfield.  Three running backs isn’t out of the norm.  Heck the last couple of years have seen the Colts use Taylor, Hines, and either Mack or Jackson.

[CR91]

2 minutes ago, GoColts8818 said:

Even the great Manning teams found ways to use Edge, Rhodes, and Mungro in the same backfield.  Three running backs isn’t out of the norm.  Heck the last couple of years have seen the Colts use Taylor, Hines, and either Mack or Jackson.

 

He's suggesting three RBs getting 1400 and 14 tds. We're talking a very productive offense for that to happen 

[CR91]

3 minutes ago, Solid84 said:

You’re assuming everyone will have equal shares. 3 backs in a game is not unheard of. One with 180 carries, one with 90-100 and one with 40-50 carries - over a season of course. 
 

The beauty of RBBC is ONE back doesn’t have to do it all. We can have a mix of traits across multiple backs; red zone specialists, pass blockers, pass catchers and so on. 

 

You're talking about a very productive offense thats sustaining long drives. 

[GoColts8818]

1 minute ago, CR91 said:

 

He's suggesting three RBs getting 1400 and 14 tds. We're talking a very productive offense for that to happen 

Yes bet you questioned if a team can use three running backs at all.  That’s the part I was responding to.  

[Solid84]

2 minutes ago, CR91 said:

 

You're talking about a very productive offense thats sustaining long drives. 

Sure, but if that’s not what we’re talking about then JT isn’t getting 1800 yards and 18 TDs either so what’s the point in not doing it?

[CR91]

2 minutes ago, GoColts8818 said:

Yes bet you questioned if a team can use three running backs at all.  That’s the part I was responding to.  

 

I'm not saying it can't happen. I'm saying our offense isn't built to have multiple RBs putting up those kind of numbers with a rookie QB.

[w87r]

33 minutes ago, CR91 said:

 

You're suggesting we're gonna run enough that two of our backs will average 700 yards each and 6-7 tds? I can't see that

Well I mean it is an avg, not necessarily how the yds get divided  equally.

 

It could be 1000/400, 1100/300 over 2 backs

 

800/400/200, 900/300/300 with 3 backs

 

Moss averaged 83.5 in last 4 games last year. That translates to 1420yds in a 17 game season. Not saying he is going to do that, but I almost guarantee, our RBs, whoever is back there will have 1400yds this year combined. Eagles had over 2500yds rushing last year and avg 146yds a game. Our ratios are going to tilt big time. We were 58/42 pass to run last season, this year we might be 50/50 tilting towards more in the running side.

 

The part I see being tougher would be TDs, but Richardson will take several of them himself as well.

13 minutes ago, CR91 said:

 

You think we're using three backs? You realize there's only one football right? What do you suggest? A back per drive?

 

Come on, seriously? This is about the season as a whole. Someone might get hurt, then another guy gets more run for a few games.

 

5 minutes ago, CR91 said:

 

You're talking about a very productive offense thats sustaining long drives. 

 

 

1400yds over 17 games is 82yds a game from RBs. Not very much, easy obtainable.

 

 

40,30,12 - 3 player breakdown

50,20,12 - 3 player breakdown

 

 

All kinds of scenarios.

[CR91]

1 minute ago, Solid84 said:

Sure, but if that’s not what we’re talking about then JT isn’t getting 1800 yards and 18 TDs either so what’s the point in not doing it?

 

Don't need him to. Teams respect JT enough where they know they can't just come after AR. The idea is to give any rookie QB an advantage so less is on their plate.

[CR91]

2 minutes ago, w87r said:

Well I mean it is an avg, not necessarily how the yds get divided  equally.

 

It could be 1000/400, 1100/300 over 2 backs

 

800/400/200, 900/300/300 with 3 backs

 

Moss averaged 83.5 in last 4 games last year. That translates to 1420yds in a 17 game season. Not saying he is going to do that, but I almost guarantee, our RBs, whoever is back there will have 1400yds this year combined. Eagles had over 2500yds rushing last year and avg 146yds a game. Our ratios are going to tilt big time. We were 58/42 pass to run last season, this year we might be 50/50 tilting towards more in the running side.

 

The part I see being tougher would be TDs, but Richardson will take several of them himself as well.

 

Come on, seriously? This is about the season as a whole. Someone might get hurt, then another guy gets more run for a few games.

 

 

 

1400yds over 17 games is 82yds a game from RBs. Not very much, easy obtainable.

 

 

40,30,12 - 3 player breakdown

50,20,12 - 3 player breakdown

 

 

All kinds of scenarios.

 

So three RBs putting up less numbers that no defense will fear makes more sense then paying a top 3 RB. Makes sense 🤦‍♂️

[Solid84]

5 minutes ago, CR91 said:

 

Don't need him to. Teams respect JT enough where they know they can't just come after AR. The idea is to give any rookie QB an advantage so less is on their plate.

Did the Eagles’ opponents not respect their running game without Hurts?

 

If we’re running 320+ times this season and teams don’t respect it our backs will have 2000+ yards lol. 

[BlackTiger]

12 minutes ago, GoColts8818 said:

Yes bet you questioned if a team can use three running backs at all.  That’s the part I was responding to.  

Times have changed though.  The third probably won't do much these days.  Two rb sets also used to be a lot more common.  Dont see that much anymore

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

Which means Taylor won’t practice until he is traded. He won’t be 100% until traded. Coles need to stop playing this game and force him to lose money.. I don’t know why tweets won’t embed. Sorry 

 

https://x.com/holderstephen/status/1690843813676273665?s=46&t=IRqWK0EkWViAobKMtUgsgg

[CR91]

2 minutes ago, Solid84 said:

Did the Eagles’ opponents not respect their running game without Hurts?

 

If we’re running 320+ times this season and teams don’t respect it our backs will have 2000+ yards lol. 

 

They respected because it was either Hurts or the RB. AR isn't there yet.

[Solid84]

Just now, CR91 said:

 

They respected because it was either Hurts or the RB. AR isn't there yet.

So what’s the point in paying JT $13m? Opponents will just stack the box like they did last year. You’re saying he’ll break that open but a RBBC can’t? That’s likely down to our OL and not JT or anyone else. Possibly AR, but you just said he isn’t there yet, so?…

[w87r]

Just now, CR91 said:

 

So three RBs putting up less numbers that no defense will fear makes more sense then paying a top 3 RBs. Makes sense 🤦‍♂️

If everything was so easy.

 

1. The defenses are going to fear Richardson, making all those guys that much more dangerous. His deep ball will keep teams honest as well.

2. We are talking about similar production for a 1/4 of the price.

3. That saved money can be used somewhere else. Making the team better elsewhere.

 

 

Taylor is a beast, I would love to see him with Richardson, but fact is it might not be in the cards?

 

For the record I have no problem giving him a $12-$13m deal. Will admit, I would be a little hesitant with how he has handled the whole situation though.

[w87r]

6 minutes ago, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:

Which means Taylor won’t practice until he is traded. He won’t be 100% until traded. Coles need to stop playing this game and force him to lose money.. I don’t know why tweets won’t embed. Sorry 

 

https://x.com/holderstephen/status/1690843813676273665?s=46&t=IRqWK0EkWViAobKMtUgsgg

Let him sit. Tag next year, let him not sign it and sit out another year.

 

 

What's wrong with your Twitter game?

[w87r]

 

 

[Solid84]

13 minutes ago, w87r said:

 

 

So either his ankle isn’t healed which is enough of a concern in itself or he’s using it as an excuse to hold in which is enough of a concern as well? How exactly did he expect to get paid this year?

[CR91]

24 minutes ago, Solid84 said:

So what’s the point in paying JT $13m? Opponents will just stack the box like they did last year. You’re saying he’ll break that open but a RBBC can’t? That’s likely down to our OL and not JT or anyone else. Possibly AR, but you just said he isn’t there yet, so?…

 

Stacked box means easier passing lanes for AR.

[krunk]

30 minutes ago, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:

Which means Taylor won’t practice until he is traded. He won’t be 100% until traded. Coles need to stop playing this game and force him to lose money.. I don’t know why tweets won’t embed. Sorry 

 

https://x.com/holderstephen/status/1690843813676273665?s=46&t=IRqWK0EkWViAobKMtUgsgg

Why would he tell them he is going to play or practice if he doesn't want to be there? I would assume he would just stay away.

[Solid84]

1 minute ago, CR91 said:

 

Stacked box means easier passing lanes for AR.

Yeah, but if opponents don’t respect our running game without JT the commitee will still easily put up 1400 yards. It’s a win either way plus it saves the team a bunch money. 
 

At this point it seems irrelevant to discuss it further - JT wants out, so we’re not paying him anyway. 

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

13 minutes ago, Solid84 said:

So either his ankle isn’t healed which is enough of a concern in itself or he’s using it as an excuse to hold in which is enough of a concern as well? How exactly did he expect to get paid this year?

To me it’s pretty clear he is using it as a excuse. It’s no coincidence that these RB  said they might do that.

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

31 minutes ago, w87r said:

Let him sit. Tag next year, let him not sign it and sit out another year.

 

 

What's wrong with your Twitter game?

It won’t embed. Something must be wrong with twitter or this forum.

[w87r]

6 minutes ago, Solid84 said:

So either his ankle isn’t healed which is enough of a concern in itself or he’s using it as an excuse to hold in which is enough of a concern as well? How exactly did he expect to get paid this year?

They didn't think their play out enough.

 

What I suspect is, JT doesn't care about this $4.3m this year. If he goes out and gets hurt, it will be lower contracts moving forward.

 

If he sits out and gets tagged next year, he will make $11-$13m, if he plays. That is a much better pay day than $4.3m. Worth the risk a little more.

 

Don't blame him for wanting more money, just did it wrong.

 

Hopefully we can get together on giving him a small bump to his salary this year. He goes out has a good year and earns that next deal.

 

Or we get a great offer and just move on. Going to have to be a good one though.

[CR91]

6 minutes ago, Solid84 said:

Yeah, but if opponents don’t respect our running game without JT the commitee will still easily put up 1400 yards. It’s a win either way plus it saves the team a bunch money. 
 

At this point it seems irrelevant to discuss it further - JT wants out, so we’re not paying him anyway. 

 

Not exactly. Our run game didn't exactly pop Saturday. I'm not saying one game is the end result, but relying on three or JAGs doesn't give me confidence for AR to develop.

[w87r]

9 minutes ago, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:

It won’t embed. Something must be wrong with twitter or this forum.

Mines fine. 

 

Just posted to show its working. Barkley was cooking though.

 

 

 see post in NFL Gen game day thread for potential reasons yours might not be working.

6 minutes ago, CR91 said:

 

Not exactly. Our run game didn't exactly pop Saturday. I'm not saying one game is the end result, but relying on three or JAGs doesn't give me confidence for AR to develop.

Didn't have our #1(if Taylor is gone), Moss or our RT.

 

Edit: and Buffalo defense is really good.

[Solid84]

4 minutes ago, CR91 said:

 

Not exactly. Our run game didn't exactly pop Saturday. I'm not saying one game is the end result, but relying on three or JAGs doesn't give me confidence for AR to develop.

Most of our RBs didn’t play with our starting OL. It’s not really something we can use as an example for the rest of the season. 

[CR91]

1 minute ago, Solid84 said:

Most of our RBs didn’t play with our starting OL. It’s not really something we can use as an example for the rest of the season. 

 

We were only missing Braden

[Solid84]

7 minutes ago, w87r said:

They didn't think their play out enough.

 

What I suspect is, JT doesn't care about this $4.3m this year. If he goes out and gets hurt, it will be lower contracts moving forward.

 

If he sits out and gets tagged next year, he will make $11-$13m, if he plays. That is a much better pay day than $4.3m. Worth the risk a little more.

 

Don't blame him for wanting more money, just did it wrong.

 

Hopefully we can get together on giving him a small bump to his salary this year. He goes out has a good year and earns that next deal.

 

Or we get a great offer and just move on. Going to have to be a good one though.

That’s probably true, but it’ll ruin any goodwill he has around the league if teams think he’ll just screw them over whenever he’s unhappy. 

[Solid84]

Just now, CR91 said:

 

We were only missing Braden

You mean our near elite RT who got replaced by a rookie?…

 

Also not all backs played with the (near) starting OL. That’s what I ment. 

[CR91]

2 minutes ago, Solid84 said:

You mean our near elite RT who got replaced by a rookie?…

 

Also not all backs played with the (near) starting OL. That’s what I ment. 

 

Wasnt so elite last season. Just saying 

[Solid84]

2 minutes ago, CR91 said:

 

Wasnt so elite last season. Just saying 

Had a rough start but ended with an overall PFF grade of 75.5.
 

75.9 pass blocking

75.0 run blocking

 

For refenrace Freeland had a run blocking score of 62.4 against the Bills. 
 

Fries had a run blocking score of 45.9. 

[krunk]

has his ankle been cleared medically yet?

[w87r]

1 minute ago, krunk said:

has his ankle been cleared medically yet?

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

47 minutes ago, krunk said:

has his ankle been cleared medically yet?

His ankle won’t be 100% until a trade partner is found lol.

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

1 hour ago, w87r said:

They didn't think their play out enough.

 

What I suspect is, JT doesn't care about this $4.3m this year. If he goes out and gets hurt, it will be lower contracts moving forward.

 

If he sits out and gets tagged next year, he will make $11-$13m, if he plays. That is a much better pay day than $4.3m. Worth the risk a little more.

 

Don't blame him for wanting more money, just did it wrong.

 

Hopefully we can get together on giving him a small bump to his salary this year. He goes out has a good year and earns that next deal.

 

Or we get a great offer and just move on. Going to have to be a good one though.

Sounds like a Levon Bell thing where bad advice is going to cost him money in the long run.

[CR91]

51 minutes ago, Solid84 said:

Had a rough start but ended with an overall PFF grade of 75.5.
 

75.9 pass blocking

75.0 run blocking

 

For refenrace Freeland had a run blocking score of 62.4 against the Bills. 
 

Fries had a run blocking score of 45.9. 

 

Point still stays. You're asking a lot of average RBs to produce enough of a run game where AR isn't the target for defenses

[csmopar]

2 hours ago, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:

Which means Taylor won’t practice until he is traded. He won’t be 100% until traded. Coles need to stop playing this game and force him to lose money.. I don’t know why tweets won’t embed. Sorry 

 

https://x.com/holderstephen/status/1690843813676273665?s=46&t=IRqWK0EkWViAobKMtUgsgg

So he’s playing his injury or his injury is worse than reported

1 hour ago, krunk said:

has his ankle been cleared medically yet?

Sure doesn’t sound that way

[NewColtsFan]

1 hour ago, CR91 said:

 

Wasnt so elite last season. Just saying 

People who bag on Smith have been sold a bill of goods.   
 

Those PFF scores are good.   They may not be elite, but two scores (run and pass blocking) of 75-plus are good.   Many here act like Smith was terrible last year.   He wasn’t. 
 

Smith has a track record of being very good.   He should be better this year.  

[csmopar]

So can we just put JT on IR already and end the silliness?