Remember, We Also Have 1St Choice Of Cut Players

[Colt-in-Jax]

That may not seem like a huge deal now, but come June 1st during those cuts it will. And you know during training camp at least a few good players will be let go because of one thing or another. So it's quite possible that we can pick up a few key pieces when all the cuts are announced.

[ColtJ82]

Yeah, but don't we only have 1st choice on 1 and then the next in line gets 1?

[Colt-in-Jax]

I don't know how that works, but I think ALL cut players get offered by last seasons record. So the Colts and the Rams would flip for every players that is cut all the way down to the Giants who would have the last chance to pick up anyone.

[Superman]

You move to the bottom of the list once you exercise your waiver rights.

[Ihh61691]

How bad do we want players that are cut post salary cap trimming? There must be a reason they didn't make the roster in other teams.

[bavanlan]

You move to the bottom of the list once you exercise your waiver rights.

I do not believe that is correct (but recognize I could be wrong).

[bavanlan]

Also, don't forget that veterans with four seasons or more seasons aren't subject to the waiver wire between February 1st and the trade deadline.

[jvan1973]

I do not believe that is correct (but recognize I could be wrong).

Thats the way it works in fantasy football.. So it must be how the NFL does it.. :lol: :lol:

[Superman]

Thats the way it works in fantasy football.. So it must be how the NFL does it.. :lol: :lol:

Actually, you can set your fantasy league waiver system several different ways.

[Superman]

I do not believe that is correct (but recognize I could be wrong).

I don't believe you can claim more than one player at a time. I believe, if you're not at the top of the list, you can put in multiple claims, but in a priority order. This doesn't seem to be a common occurence in the NFL, though, as not very many players are claimed off waivers, mostly due to contract status.

I could be wrong, and I've looked for clarification, but haven't found the specific answer. Below is the old CBA waiver verbiage. I haven't been able to find anything newer.

WAIVER SYSTEM

Section 1

. Release:

(a) Whenever a player who has finished the season in which his fourth year of credited service has been earned under the Bert Bell/Pete Rozelle Plan is placed on waivers between February 1 and the trading deadline, his contract will be considered terminated and the player will be completely free at any time thereafter to negotiate and sign a Player Contract with any Club, and any Club shall be completely free to negotiate and sign a Player Contract with such player, without penalty or restriction, including, but not limited to, Draft Choice Compensation between Clubs or First Refusal Rights of any kind, or any signing period. If the waivers occur after that time, the player’s Player Contract will be subject to the waiver system and may be awarded to a claiming Club. However, if such player is claimed and awarded, he shall have the option to declare himself an Unrestricted Free Agent at the end of the League Year in question if he has a no-trade clause in his Player Contract. If such player does not have a no-trade clause and the Player Contract being awarded through waivers covers more than one additional season, the player shall have the right to declare himself an Unrestricted Free Agent as set forth above at the end of the League Year following the League Year in which he is waived and awarded.

(b) Whenever a player who has finished less than the season in which his fourth year of credited service has been earned under the Bert Bell/Pete Rozelle Plan is placed on waivers, the player’s Player Contract will be subject to the waiver system and may be awarded to a claiming Club.

Section 2

. Contact:

Coaches or any other persons connected with another NFL Club are prohibited from contacting any player placed on waivers until such time as the player is released by the waiving Club.

Section 3

. Ineligibility:

Any NFL player who is declared ineligible to compete in a preseason, regular season or postseason game because of a breach by any NFL Club by whom he is employed of waiver procedures and regulations, or any other provision of the NFL Constitution and Bylaws, will be paid the salary or other compensation which he would have received if he had not been declared ineligible, which, in any event, will be a minimum of one week’s salary and, when applicable, expense payments.

Section 4

. Notice of Termination:

The Notice of Termination form attached hereto as Appendix G will be used by all Clubs. If possible, the Notice of Termination will be personally delivered to the player prior to his departure from the team. If the Notice of Termination has not been personally delivered to the player prior to his departure from the team, the Notice of Termination will be sent to him by certified mail at his last address on

file with the Club.

Section 5

. NFLPA’s Right to Personnel Information:

The NFL shall inform the NFLPA of player personnel transactions communicated in the Personnel Notice between the NFL and its member Clubs concerning the termination or trading of players including awards on waivers, termination through waivers, confirmation of trades or any change in the status of players (e.g., placed on Reserve Injured, etc.). The NFL will make best efforts to communicate the information referred to in this Article to the NFLPA on the same day, but in no event later than noon on the next day. A player who is terminated shall, upon request at or around the time of termination, be informed by the terminating Club of any claims made upon him by NFL Clubs during that League Year. The same information will be provided to the NFLPA if requested.

Section 6

. Rosters:

The NFLMC shall supply the NFLPA with an opening day and final roster for each Club. Rosters shall consist of the following categories of players: Active; Inactive; Reserve Injured; Reserve Physically Unable to Perform; Exempt Commissioner Permission; Non Football Illness/Injury; Practice Squad.

Section 7.

Procedural Recall Waivers:

A player with four or more Credited Seasons who is subject to procedural recall waivers from the Reserved/Retired or Reserve/Military status, and who opts for Free Agency in lieu of assignment, cannot, during the same season, re-sign or return to the Club that originally requested such waivers.

[Bleedin Blue]

How bad do we want players that are cut post salary cap trimming? There must be a reason they didn't make the roster in other teams.

Yeah but in these cases the reasons they get cut are not necessarily because they are bad players but because of too much depth at that position. When you compare those players to our roster they might end up being better. You just never know. This is more for depth that starters, but you can still improve your team.

[Susie Q]

Yes you could improve your team if you have any money to sign anyone. With our cap and Freeney taking up a lot of that cap where will the Colts get the money to sign anyone? :???: Just curious I guess. :hmm: Will the players take an IOU

[jwilli69]

Yeah but in these cases the reasons they get cut are not necessarily because they are bad players but because of too much depth at that position. When you compare those players to our roster they might end up being better. You just never know. This is more for depth that starters, but you can still improve your team.

Usually they are getting cut because either they need salary cap space and they are taking up too much space and/or they just have declined in production from their original contract. Could be that they are a good player still, just not a top 3 player like they may be playing under the last contract. I think we have multiple contracts that just got wacked for an example. I doubt we are able to pick up a once before superstar with an inflated contract on the waiver wire. Nobody took Manning on the wire and he was thought to still have incredible value. Maybe they can take a flyer on a guy who was cut because of cap reasons and is aging but still has playing time left and he renegotiates his contract to fix the cap problem.

For example, if Asante Samual was cut because he was going to count 13 million on the cap to his original team but would only count 10 million on the new team (assuming that is all just salary) then no way do I pick him up at 10 mil/yr, thats overpaying. If I could restructure him to be 10 million over 2 yrs with some incentives to add more, then yeah, put in the claim. Not sure of the rules on that kinda stuff.

[GoColts8818]

You don't really see people claimed off waviers that much in the NFL because genearlly if a player is cut it means that either he isn't worth the contract you would have to pick up to claim him off waviers or he can't play anymore. Thik about it no one claimed Peyton Manning off waviers. Generally speaking players clear waviers and you just sign them as a free agent in the NFL.

[bavanlan]

Thik about it no one claimed Peyton Manning off waviers.

As a veteran with 4+ credited seasons who was released between Feb 1 and the trade deadline, he wasn't subject to waivers.

[GoColts8818]

As a veteran with 4+ credited seasons who was released between Feb 1 and the trade deadline, he wasn't subject to waivers.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7659434/sources-peyton-manning-reps-contacted-12-teams

"The Indianapolis Colts officially released Manning on Wednesday and he will become a free agent and be eligible to negotiate and sign with teams as soon as he clears waivers Thursday."

Also Randy Moss is the exception to this in terms of the waviers was claimed off them in 2010 and Moss had more than 4+ credited seasons when he was claimed.

[bavanlan]

http://espn.go.com/n...tacted-12-teams

"The Indianapolis Colts officially released Manning on Wednesday and he will become a free agent and be eligible to negotiate and sign with teams as soon as he clears waivers Thursday."

Also Randy Moss is the exception to this in terms of the waviers was claimed off them in 2010 and Moss had more than 4+ credited seasons when he was claimed.

CBA trumps all other sources.

ARTICLE 29

WAIVERS

(a) Whenever a player who has finished the season in which his fourth year of credited service has been earned under the Bert Bell/Pete Rozelle Plan is placed on waivers between February 1 and the trading deadline, his contract will be considered terminated and the player will be completely free at any time thereafter to negotiate and sign a Player Contract with any Club, and any Club shall be completely free to negotiate and sign a Player Contract with such player, without penalty or restriction, including, but not limited to, Draft Choice Compensation between Clubs or First Refusal Rights of any kind, or any signing period.

http://images.nflpla..._Searchable.pdf

QED.

[GoColts8818]

CBA trumps all other sources.

http://images.nflpla..._Searchable.pdf

QED.

Okay then how was Randy Moss claimed off waviers by the Titans in 2010?

Also that wasn't the only report that Manning cleared waviers everyone said he did including the league who made it offical once he cleared waviers.

[bavanlan]

http://espn.go.com/n...tacted-12-teams

"The Indianapolis Colts officially released Manning on Wednesday and he will become a free agent and be eligible to negotiate and sign with teams as soon as he clears waivers Thursday."

Also Randy Moss is the exception to this in terms of the waviers was claimed off them in 2010 and Moss had more than 4+ credited seasons when he was claimed.

The reason Moss went on waivers is because he was cut after the trade deadline of October 19, 2010 (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81b729e9/article/alls-quiet-on-the-trade-front-as-deadline-approaches) on November 4, 2010 (http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/sports/NATL-Randy-Moss-Claimed-by-Titans-Vikings-Regret-Trade-106672633.html).

Everyone goes on waivers after the trade deadline until Feb 1st.

[GoColts8818]

The reason Moss went on waivers is because he was cut after the trade deadline of October 19, 2010 (http://www.nfl.com/n...line-approaches) on November 4, 2010 (http://www.nbcnewyor...-106672633.html).

Everyone goes on waivers after the trade deadline until Feb 1st.

I think I have found the answer to my own question regards to Manning and it's this.

http://sports.stacke...ual-waiver-wire

It's just easier to say he had to clear waviers than it is to say that teams had to wait for the NFLPA to be told of his cutting.

With that said the main point that I was making which is that you don't see players claimed off waviers that often still stands so the fact we have first crack at it doesn't mean a whole lot.

[Colt-in-Jax]

Actually I wasn't talking as much about the older vets, but the young kids that get cut by a team that just has too many quality players at that position.