Archer Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 Here’s my latest effort: Salary Cap Casualties Trent Cole, Andre Johnson, Arthur Jones, and D’Qwell Jackson (the only heart-breaking one) Inside FAs Sent Packing Greg Toler, Dwayne Allen, and Matt Hasselbeck (I’m guessing he’ll retire) Inside FAs Retained Coby Fleener, Jerrell Freeman, Dwight Lowry, and Adam Vinitieri Outside FAs Signed Brandon Brooks, OG, Texans Trumaine Johnson, CB, Rams Bernard Pierce, RB, Jaguars Emmanuel Lamur, SAM, Bengals Draft 1) Noah Spence, OLB, Eastern Kentucky. He may be a suspension risk, but his former teammates are praising his character and leadership qualities. 2) Ryan Kelly, C, Alabama. I’d rather have Nick Martin (who I think will be gone), but Kelly will eventually be a good center (which we haven’t had in a long time). 3) Karl Joseph, S, West Virginia. Best available DB for a secondary that needs young blood all around. 4) Harlan Miller, CB, Southeast Louisiana. “ “ “ “ “ “ “ “ “ “ “ " " " " " 5) Malcom Mitchell, WR, Georgia. Andre is cut, and Whalen and Carter suddenly seem to have no future with the team. Now there’s a big hole behind the #3 WR position (though Bray can be penciled in at #5). 7) O.J.Mau, NT, Gardner-Webb. Okay, this is just a late-round guy I fell in love with. His scouting report will remind you of that of Parry. Active, with a non-stop motor. Lots of tackles and plays behind the line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archer Posted January 11, 2016 Author Share Posted January 11, 2016 mods: should have been posted in FA/Draft section... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dustin Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 Noah Spence is good. I'm worried he'll be gone before we pick though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BProland85 Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 Those offseason moves would not get me all that excited. And the draft is not overly impressive in my view either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colts_Fan12 Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 1 hour ago, Dustin said: Noah Spence is good. I'm worried he'll be gone before we pick though. Even if he fell to us Grigson is prolly to big a pansy to pick him anyway. He won't take risks on actual talent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SP_21 Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 Noah Spence is my favorite player in the draft. His drug use is a non factor for me at this point too. He paid a fairly steep price for his mistake and has done everything he can to prove himself. I'd gladly take him round 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COLTS449 Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 I like the draft, but I'm not big on your free agent signings. We would only be getting 1 major addition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COLTS449 Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 17 minutes ago, SP_21 said: Noah Spence is my favorite player in the draft. His drug use is a non factor for me at this point too. He paid a fairly steep price for his mistake and has done everything he can to prove himself. I'd gladly take him round 1. Mine too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archer Posted January 11, 2016 Author Share Posted January 11, 2016 3 minutes ago, COLTS449 said: I like the draft, but I'm not big on your free agent signings. We would only be getting 1 major addition. I try to be realistic and pick up ascending players in FA (whose best football might be ahead), without overpaying for the top prospect at any given position. In this case, I wanted to upgrade the RG and #2 CB positions as much as possible (so I count two major additions). At Center, I felt Mack would cost too much (if he became a FA), and Wiesniewski has phoned it in most of his pro career. This pushes the position to a draft need IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Defjamz26 Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 42 minutes ago, Colts_Fan12 said: Even if he fell to us Grigson is prolly to big a pansy to pick him anyway. He won't take risks on actual talent I wouldn't call that being a pansy. I call that better safe than sorry. Who wants a Dion Jordan scenario? I'd rather risk a pick on Nkedimche than Spence. Spence got dismissed from 2 schools. Huge red flag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colts_Fan12 Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 2 minutes ago, Defjamz26 said: I wouldn't call that being a pansy. I call that better safe than sorry. Who wants a Dion Jordan scenario? I'd rather risk a pick on Nkedimche than Spence. Spence got dismissed from 2 schools. Huge red flag. A kid could have walked across the street and not used the cross walk and that's a red flag to Grigson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COLTS449 Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 35 minutes ago, Colts_Fan12 said: A kid could have walked across the street and not used the cross walk and that's a red flag to Grigson Yeah seriously bro. I'd rather have a 15 a year sack OLB with a troubled past than a 8 sack a year goody two shoes. And Spence has cleaned his act up. He's proven that he isn't using drugs anymore and hasn't had any issues in a year or so. He was young and made mistakes like a lot of kids do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COLTS449 Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 59 minutes ago, Archer said: I try to be realistic and pick up ascending players in FA (whose best football might be ahead), without overpaying for the top prospect at any given position. In this case, I wanted to upgrade the RG and #2 CB positions as much as possible (so I count two major additions). At Center, I felt Mack would cost too much (if he became a FA), and Wiesniewski has phoned it in most of his pro career. This pushes the position to a draft need IMHO. Yeah I see what you mean. But that has proven to be a bad idea the last several years. Toler, Donald Thomas RJF, the list goes on. I'd rather pick up 2-3 elite level players and know what we're getting. For example I'd rather pick up Osemele and Trevathan instead of Brooks and Lamur. I'm good with Johnson. But I think we need to add some major talent to this team this offseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CR91 Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 all the good CBs hitting the market and you pick trumiane johnson? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COLTS449 Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 34 minutes ago, CR91 said: all the good CBs hitting the market and you pick trumiane johnson? Turmaine Johnson is a really good corner. He's a big playmaker. He had 17PD's and 7 INT's this year. He's a ball hawk. Now yeah I'd rather have Sean Smith or Janorris Jenkins but I wouldn't be mad at all about Johnson. I'd take Johnson over Amukamara. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archer Posted January 11, 2016 Author Share Posted January 11, 2016 34 minutes ago, COLTS449 said: Turmaine Johnson is a really good corner. He's a big playmaker. He had 17PD's and 7 INT's this year. He's a ball hawk. Now yeah I'd rather have Sean Smith or Janorris Jenkins but I wouldn't be mad at all about Johnson. I'd take Johnson over Amukamara. Since you can't exactly say, "This is the one and only guy I want in FA (at this postion)", I'm just reporting who I think we can, and should, realistically pick up. At CB, I'd have Trumaine Johnson and Casey Hayward (who Grigson wanted to get in the 2012 draft) as my principal targets, but I'd certainly explore a much bigger deal for Sean Smith if those failed to work out. Same is true with Osemele - he'd be a great new RG too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traines Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 5 hours ago, Archer said: Draft 1) Noah Spence, OLB, Eastern Kentucky. He may be a suspension risk, but his former teammates are praising his character and leadership qualities. 3) Karl Joseph, S, West Virginia. Best available DB for a secondary that needs young blood all around. Really like both of these picks...a lot! I usually would say pass on someone like Spence in the 1st, but a lot of people are stepping up for him and saying good things...I know this is usually nonsense, but it seems genuine. Karl Joseph is a flat out stud, I hope Dustin or Supe do a profile on him. I also like your realistic approach to it all. Like you said, I'd love to have guys like Osemele and Sean Smith, but it usually just does not work out that way (guys re-sign, get way overpaid somewhere else, etc.). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COLTS449 Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 1 hour ago, Archer said: Since you can't exactly say, "This is the one and only guy I want in FA (at this postion)", I'm just reporting who I think we can, and should, realistically pick up. At CB, I'd have Trumaine Johnson and Casey Hayward (who Grigson wanted to get in the 2012 draft) as my principal targets, but I'd certainly explore a much bigger deal for Sean Smith if those failed to work out. Same is true with Osemele - he'd be a great new RG too. I got ya. But IMO if we were going to sign Lamur we'd just be better off starting Sio Moore and saving the money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loudnproudcolt Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 We don't have the talent on the defensive side of the ball where I think we can gamble, and Spence would be a bit of one. I also love Jaylon Smith, and want us to take him, but the non gambling side of me says he won't be ready next year, and we need our first round pick, whether offensive or defensive to play. Now I love the second pick, and the third, I don't think Joseph is going to fall to the third round, but I may be wrong. His knee injury was in October, so he should be fine, but it will affect his stock. If I could pick a safety after round 1, I would probably go with Kearse from Clemson, but then it comes down to what we do in the offseason first. I would love to get Osemele, then we don't have to worry about an OL in the first round, go defense in the first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archer Posted January 12, 2016 Author Share Posted January 12, 2016 18 hours ago, COLTS449 said: I got ya. But IMO if we were going to sign Lamur we'd just be better off starting Sio Moore and saving the money. Oh, yeah, I see. I have a whole back-of-the-envelope calculation that would be too complicated to explain, but the bottom line is that there was some extra money after signing a RG, CB, and RB. So, I signed Lamur to be the 5th OLB (over Werner). I think Lamur has some ST value and could be the 3rd team SAM (he's played a bit in Cincy's base D). Not a major piece of my plan - just trying to get another relatively young OLB for the bottom of the roster... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COLTS449 Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 2 hours ago, Archer said: Oh, yeah, I see. I have a whole back-of-the-envelope calculation that would be too complicated to explain, but the bottom line is that there was some extra money after signing a RG, CB, and RB. So, I signed Lamur to be the 5th OLB (over Werner). I think Lamur has some ST value and could be the 3rd team SAM (he's played a bit in Cincy's base D). Not a major piece of my plan - just trying to get another relatively young OLB for the bottom of the roster... Oh. I see. I thought you had us signing him to start at ILB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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