PFF Unit Ranks: Colts vs Titans

[Indyfan4life]

Idc about rankings or stats or any of that against Tennessee right now. I just want to sweep them and stop hearing “hurrrrrrkinghenrywouldawonifhewasntinjuredandtaylorisntasgoodhuuuuuuur”

 

Yes. I hear that daily. 

[NewColtsFan]

48 minutes ago, EastStreet said:

 

He (not me) said we traded away Wentz for "pebbles". Might want to look at the full conversation before chiming in. I responded in kind about Indy more or less paying the same for Ryan.

 

We basically got a 3rd from WA (potentially a conditional next season IIRC) for Wentz. 

We got Ryan for a 3rd. And it was actually for a later 3rd (than the one we got for Wentz).

 

ATL wasn't really doing Matt a solid. The relationship was burnt. He wanted out after the Watson thing blew up in ATL's face. And ATL also needed cap relief in a big way. They were going to be in a bad spot had they tried to keep Ryan. I like Blank, and he kept the window open as long as possible, but there was only one thing to do after they rolled snake eyes on Watson. Now it's a rebuild, which nobody is shocked about. At least they kept Grady. 

We got the following from Wash….

 

A 3 this year, which became Woods.  A 3 next year, which can become a 2.    And we swapped 2’s this year moving up 4-5 spots which has 4th round value by the chart.    And we got Wash to eat the Wentz deal.    There’s just no comparison to the two trades.   
 

As to Atl..    the solid is they quickly agreed to send Ryan to the place he wanted to go and to a team that was only willing to pay a 3. They could’ve played hard ball by talking to other teams who might’ve been willing to pay more.   No one saw Atl moving Ryan for only a 3.    Atl did a solid because of (A) Ryan's great career with them, and (B) they botched the potential deal with Watson which made things messy at their end. 

[EastStreet]

26 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:

We got the following from Wash….

 

A 3 this year, which became Woods.  A 3 next year, which can become a 2.    And we swapped 2’s this year moving up 4-5 spots which has 4th round value by the chart.    And we got Wash to eat the Wentz deal.    There’s just no comparison to the two trades.   
 

As to Atl..    the solid is they quickly agreed to send Ryan to the place he wanted to go and to a team that was only willing to pay a 3. They could’ve played hard ball by talking to other teams who might’ve been willing to pay more.   No one saw Atl moving Ryan for only a 3.    Atl did a solid because of (A) Ryan's great career with them, and (B) they botched the potential deal with Watson which made things messy at their end. 

 

Not sure what you are arguing. 

 

Are you saying that the term (pebbles) @AustinnKaine used to describe what we got for Wentz, is a bad adjective to use?

If so, you can tell him.

 

Or are you triggered because we gave less for Ryan than what we got for Wentz, and just looking to argue something?

 

You can call the Ryan deal whatever you want. He was highly P O 'd, and wanted out. And their cap situation was a complete and total cluster. Probably the worst in the NFL. They got 8M back with the Ryan trade, but they wanted the post 2022 contract impact off their books really bad. Between Ryan's contract, Julio's dead cap, not to mention Fowler and Davison's impact from the previous season..... it was simply a horrible situation. Feel free to google, it's well documented. Blank wanted to extend Grady, and needed to offload an angry Ryan, but as important, his long term impact their cap (multiple contract renegotiations). Fans were also outwardly being critical of the complete cluster (the way the treated Ryan, the Watson swing and miss, the overall cap health)... It was a clown show that they wanted to go away. 

[AKB]

49 minutes ago, EastStreet said:

 

Not sure what you are arguing. 

 

Are you saying that the term (pebbles) @AustinnKaine used to describe what we got for Wentz, is a bad adjective to use?

If so, you can tell him.

 

Or are you triggered because we gave less for Ryan than what we got for Wentz, and just looking to argue something?

 

You can call the Ryan deal whatever you want. He was highly P O 'd, and wanted out. And their cap situation was a complete and total cluster. Probably the worst in the NFL. They got 8M back with the Ryan trade, but they wanted the post 2022 contract impact off their books really bad. Between Ryan's contract, Julio's dead cap, not to mention Fowler and Davison's impact from the previous season..... it was simply a horrible situation. Feel free to google, it's well documented. Blank wanted to extend Grady, and needed to offload an angry Ryan, but as important, his long term impact their cap (multiple contract renegotiations). Fans were also outwardly being critical of the complete cluster (the way the treated Ryan, the Watson swing and miss, the overall cap health)... It was a clown show that they wanted to go away. 

 

Compared to what we spent on Wentz, we got very little in return. If you remember, they actually came out and stated that no one was bidding against WASH, so in theory, he really was worth less. 

 

 

As to what @NewColtsFan is saying, I think he's stating that your comparison to that and the Ryan trade is garbage. Just like a lot of the other comparisons. We will be talking about offensive line and QBs and then all of a sudden you'll start talking about kenny moore or something random. 

[EastStreet]

1 minute ago, AustinnKaine said:

 

Compared to what we spent on Wentz, we got very little in return. If you remember, they actually came out and stated that no one was bidding against WASH, so in theory, he really was worth less. 

 

 

As to what @NewColtsFan is saying, I think he's stating that your comparison to that and the Ryan trade is garbage. 

We spent a 3rd and 1st (conditional that was going to be a 1st or 2nd) for Wentz. 

We got 3rd, and conditional 2nd/3rd for Wentz. 

We spent a 3rd for Ryan. 

 

Those are just facts. So actually spent less on Ryan, than we got for Wentz lol.. those pebbles as you call them. Sorry your argument was not a good one.

 

But here's the specifics if you actually want to see the true draft value costs. 

 

Wentz Deal (to Indy)

Eagles Got

2021 3R-84th = 170 draft capital value

2022 1R-16th = 1000 DCV

Total = 1170 DCV from Indy to Philly

 

Wentz Deal (to WA)

Indy Got

2022 2R-42 = 480

2022 3R-73 = 225

2023 2/3R (2nd if Wentz plays 70%) - This could range from 580 to 116. So let's use the average of 348

WA Got

2022 2R-47 = 430

Total = 623 DCV to Indy from WA

 

Ryan Deal

ATL Got

2022 3R-82 = 180

 

 

The delta in what we spent on Wentz, and what we got, is 547 DCV.

So in other words, net/net, we spent a 2R (between a 35th and 36th) on the one year rental for Wentz.

 

And, we got 623 DVC for Wentz, and spent only 180 DVC. So we actually were net/net positive of roughly a 2R-46th on that swap. Wentz has looked good in camp, and the reporting has been very complimentary... So chances are this DVC will actually be better.

 

So there's the math. Not really a huge loss in DCV at all, and we're likely to end up in a lot better place if you factor in all 3 moves. In other words, going from Rivers to Ryan was pretty cheap, and overall should be a nice upgrade.