what can be done to fix the o line?

[Moose Of Woe]

Mid season? With the guys we have? Nothing.

 

They'll have flashes of good play, then revert to the usual awfulness. At least now they look decent SOME games as opposed to never like they did up until this season. (Between 2007-2013 our lines were putrid nearly every game. Couldn't pass or run block with rare exception.)

 

I'm not wasting prayers on the O-line. I'm just glad our special teams are competant/actually pretty darn good after decades of ineptitude outside the kickers and punters. Our O-lines were pretty good not that long ago (2000-2006) but every year that goes by it's starting to feel a lot longer since we had a good one.

[a06cc]

Mid season? With the guys we have? Nothing.

They'll have flashes of good play, then revert to the usual awfulness. At least now they look decent SOME games as opposed to never like they did up until this season. (Between 2007-2013 our lines were putrid nearly every game. Couldn't pass or run block with rare exception.)

I'm not wasting prayers on the O-line. I'm just glad our special teams are competant/actually pretty darn good after decades of ineptitude outside the kickers and punters. Our O-lines were pretty good not that long ago (2000-2006) but every year that goes by it's starting to feel a lot longer since we had a good one.

Tarik Glenn was the reason for 00-06 line play being good. After he retired the line sucked. Manning masked a lot of the lines play with a quick release.

[a06cc]

We need to bring in guys that can stay healthy. That's what we're lacking. How are you going to get continuity when guys can't stay on the field.

[Moose Of Woe]

Tarik Glenn was the reason for 00-06 line play being good. After he retired the line sucked. Manning masked a lot of the lines play with a quick release.

I know he retired relatively early and out of the blue after 2006, too. The line was like night and day without him. We had some great experiments at tackle....like Ugoh....nothing worked.

 

After 2006 I think Saturday still pulled his weight until his last year or two where he clearly wasn't helping matters. Even when he was clearly washed up he still wasn't the worst on the line at that point which is pretty sad.

[Darryl C. Patrick]

It's vision, instincts and decision-making. And you can't coach those things. T-Rich is a bust.

Yes, you can. Somebody taught him something at Alabama. 

[masterlock]

Yes, you can. Somebody taught him something at Alabama. 

No, you can't. Instincts are by definition not under conscious control.

[jabbanobadda]

T-Rich is not a good barometer to judge our run blocking.  Dude just plain out sucks and anyone who thinks otherwise is delusional.   The line, as far as run blocking is doing just fine.  Look at what Boom is doing behind this line...

 

Pass protection?  Now that is a different story...

[John Dee]

The first thing this team needs to do is realize that Trent R is NOT a starting caliber NFL back and put him firmly on the bench or on the street.    It is amazing to me how Herron, Brown, Brad...  just about anyone can make some thing happen and TR struggles to make a 4 yard gain.   

 

I am totally over the Trent experiment.     Start Boom and bring in Ray Rice and lets move on.

[John Dee]

Glenn hurt but losing Scott and Lilja hurt just as bad. 

Tarik Glenn was the reason for 00-06 line play being good. After he retired the line sucked. Manning masked a lot of the lines play with a quick release.

[Moose Of Woe]

Glenn hurt but losing Scott and Lilja hurt just as bad. 

Also true.

 

Polian really screwed the pooch when it came to our line.

[a06cc]

Glenn hurt but losing Scott and Lilja hurt just as bad.

Scott maybe, but we brought Lilja back. It didn't help at all in 10.

[John Dee]

Ya they brought him back after he ripped his knee up in KC.

Scott maybe, but we brought Lilja back. It didn't help at all in 10.

[John Waylon]

At this point, I don't know if it can be fixed. It's been a mess since 2008. The last time we had a good offensive line GEORGE W BUSH WAS OUR PRESIDENT.

Let that sink in.

[John Dee]

Indy's OL no different from MOST any line in the NFL....     It is up to the BACK to HIT THE HOLE HARD.

 

Trent does NOT,   Brad did, Boom does....        

 

It is not hard to see...

At this point, I don't know if it can be fixed. It's been a mess since 2008. The last time we had a good offensive line GEORGE W BUSH WAS OUR PRESIDENT.

Let that sink in.

[John Dee]

Now pass blocking is another issue....    and Trent is good at it after putting us in 3rd and forever.

[John Waylon]

Indy's OL no different from MOST any line in the NFL.... It is up to the BACK to HIT THE HOLE HARD.

Trent does NOT, Brad did, Boom does....

It is not hard to see...

I don't care how hard a back hits the hole.

I care about how hard the defense hits Luck. How often they hit Luck. I understand we aren't a running team, not do I want us to be. I don't think anyone does at this point. It's clear we win and lose on Luck's right arm.

That has nothing to do with a back hitting the hole gingerly, or like a nuclear warhead.

We win with the pass. And we do a subpar job of protecting the passer.

That's a problem.

[Dr. Guildo]

The line got better as the game went on today. Andrew Luck looked pretty good when he had time to set, and not having to run for his life every single snap. We even say some play action off the run game.