Aaron Hernandez issues (merge)/Aaron Hernandez escorted from home in handcuffs.

[bayone]

   I dont see a way Hernandez will be in the NFL this year.

 

Even if he didnt kill this guy....he turns state's evidence and cuts a deal for obstructing justice...

 

...he'll be suspended from the NFL...

 

Right now, his playing future is probably the least of his worries...

 

He may be headed for the old 'felony funny farm'

 

some / much ? in those bags may also be drugs as had teams of dogs examining the house and when a crowbar failed had to get a locksmith

 

 

 

A paper warrant is often issued as a way to persuade defense attorneys to cooperate, said FOX 25's legal analyst, Brad Bailey.

 

"It may be that this is a squeeze tactic," he said. "It may be telling Mr. Hernandez that we have a warrant, a warrant for a crime that has a potential maximum penalty of seven years in prison, is a tactic to get him to come to the table, start talking and start cooperating.

 

And that's where the lawyers may be saying, 'OK, we got it. You got our attention. We're willing to respond.' "

 

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/USA-Update/2013/0623/Aaron-Hernandez-investigation-What-s-next-step-for-police

 

this article says only 10 bags ( not the 15 in Comment & article u reponded to )

 

Two K-9 units and a locksmith were also on the scene.

 

&

 

Gerard DiSanto, owner of Club Desire in Providence, told the Boston Herald that homicide detectives searched his club as part of the investigation Friday night.

 

 a third warrant was issued to investigators, though it is not known for what.

 

http://blog.masslive.com/patriots/2013/06/police_search_aaron_hernandezs.html

 

The search, which lasted more than three hours, involved police officers, K9 units, a locksmith and a crowbar.

 

It was unclear what the law enforcement officials were looking for, but they searched the home, backyard, a large playhouse and two vehicles, including a white Audi SUV driven by Hernandez,according to MassLive.com.

 

http://www.latimes.com/sports/sportsnow/la-sp-sn-aaron-hernandez-search-20130622,0,4290920.story

 

video evidence of Hernandez and two other men wearing hooded sweatshirts walking into Hernandez’s home within minutes of neighbors hearing gunshots.

 

an hour before Hernandez was caught on video walking into his home, Hernandez was seen at Lloyd’s home in Dorchester.

 

 http://keepingscore.blogs.time.com/2013/06/21/a-brief-guide-to-the-homicide-investigation-thats-engulfed-patriots-tight-end-aaron-hernandez/

 

This reminds me of the daily TV news broadcasts back in NYC before my Mich move in 1980

 

once or twice a day u hear about something else coming to light

 

NY also had the good news of the day, last 30 seconds of entire show was a boy scout walking an elderly person across the street, or something similar in effect

[crazycolt1]

I may be as critical of these so-called rap sheets as anyone in the forum.

 

I have never been a saint, nor do I want to be....but  If I was an owner of a football (Any Major league sports team) team and I was paying millions of dollars to a player/coach, I would not sign these guys.  It is MY money, and we do not need questionable character.

 

That said, Aaron has not been convicted f a crime and this needs to run it's course in due process.  Last week Pacman again....this week Hernandez..then there had been .Blackmon....Chad Johnson...not to mention the Honey Badger and Rolando McClain.....Teams do not win signing problems....simple as that.

 

Was anyone else impressed that Coach Pagano actually 'lectured' his troops....making sure they "Stay out of trouble?"  I loved it!!  Go Colts!

Don't get me wrong as I am no Pats fan but I am sure that Belichick has the same 'lecture' with his troops. Also the other players you mention may be problem players but being involved in a murder is a whole different class than those you brought up. The Pats are just one of many teams who sign players they think they can control or straighten up so to say. Example / when the Pats signed Randy Moss. He was considered a big problem but his talent made Brady shine. I am sure the Colts players will stay out of trouble but it is too early to jump to conclusions. 

Edited June 24, 2013 by Nadine
shot at coach

[crazycolt1]

The other thing is what does the Patriots organization do once training camp officially starts & no charges have been filed yet? Or even if they are, Hernandez hasn't been convicted of anything only indicted. Can the team legally ban him from their facility or prevent him from riding on the plane to away games? Can they lawfully suspend him from being in Foxboro with his team mates. NE would still pay him yes, but can Robert Kraft force Hernandez to remain banned from all team activities if he decides to?

 

And even if Hernandez is convicted, how does guaranteed money work vs termination of the player's contract with the new CBA rules recently enacted by the NFL & NFL PA exactly? 

 

Hypothetically speaking, could a convicted NFL athlete actually be awarded a SB ring even though they are in prison, especially if the case gets prolonged with legal motions & NE wins another ring before the trial concludes? Are there ring fitting sessions in federal prison? I'm just wondering...Hmmm...

According to a NFL network report he had no clause in his contract that would keep the Pats from having to pay him. It was also noted that his was one of the few that didn't have that type of clause it his contract. So unless he is convicted and spends time in jail he will be paid the guaranteed money set in his contract minus any games he might be suspended. 

[crazycolt1]

Trying to discredit the reputation of a police station and police officers is the way defense attorneys try to get murderers back on the street when they know their client is guilty. If you cant prove innocence, try to use the prosecutions past slights against them, whether relevence is there or not. May be the nature of the beast but it shows the defense for what they are; guily, shameless, and without morality.

Are you omitting prosecuting attorneys in that class?  There is a long list of prosecuting attorneys that have done their share of underhanded things. Does Carl Brizzi ring a bell? Lawyers are paid to do their jobs good or bad. Lets not forget that the legal system in this country is controlled by lawyers including on the bench. 

[bayone]

According to a NFL network report he had no clause in his contract that would keep the Pats from having to pay him. It was also noted that his was one of the few that didn't have that type of clause it his contract. So unless he is convicted and spends time in jail he will be paid the guaranteed money set in his contract minus any games he might be suspended. 

 

u are correct , in fact apparently if i understand right even

if Jailed he gets just about all , just not his workout bonus which i don't think is  significant from what article says, about 1 million total

 

here are the details   , u read this and article and maybe u might have a different conclusion

 

Examining Aaron Hernandez's New England Patriots contract

 

 According to his amended contract, Hernandez is guaranteed a total of $16 million. Of that, $9.25 million in a signing bonus already has been paid, with the final $3.25 million due in March 2014.

 

The rest of it comes in guaranteed base salaries for the 2013 and 2014 seasons, along with $1 million total guarantees in workout bonuses for the 2014 and 2015 offseasons. According to Paragraph 32(d) of his amended contract, the workout bonus is "null and void" if the player fails to report.

 

That "failure to report" clause is the one not present in the sections for his base salaries. 

 

In almost all other contracts, it would be.

 

That means, even if he is suspended or unable to report for any reason, the Patriots still might be on the hook for $1.323 million in 2013 and $1.137 million in 2014. It's unclear why the "failure to perform" or "failure to practice" clause is not present in Hernandez's contract.

 

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000213873/article/examining-aaron-hernandezs-new-england-patriots-contract

 

Report: Patriots Teammates Say Aaron Hernandez Got More Brazen After Contract Extension

Read more at: http://nesn.com/2013/06/report-patriots-teammates-say-aaron-hernandez-got-more-brazen-after-contract-extension/

[BrentMc11]

Don't get me wrong as I am no Pats fan but I am sure that Belichick has the same 'lecture' with his troops. Also the other players you mention may be problem players but being involved in a murder is a whole different class than those you brought up. The Pats are just one of many teams who sign players they think they can control or straighten up so to say. Example / when the Pats signed Randy Moss. He was considered a big problem but his talent made Brady shine. I am sure the Colts players will stay out of trouble but it is too early to jump to conclusions. 

I am simply stating if I owned the team....I would not risk it...my money...my football family.'  I love Hernadez's game....ON THE FIELD.  Off field...not so much!

 

I would hope that all teams would promote staying out of trouble.  I am sure a Colt or two will drink and drive...or go swimming in a canal or something

 

Thanks for the reply.

[Jay Kirk]

I am simply stating if I owned the team....I would not risk it...my money...my football family.'  I love Hernadez's game....ON THE FIELD.  Off field...not so much!

 

I would hope that all teams would promote staying out of trouble.  I am sure a Colt or two will drink and drive...or go swimming in a canal or something

 

Thanks for the reply.

 Swimming in the canal ,one for the ages,lol wont forget that one anytime soon

[Jay Kirk]

I may be as critical of these so-called rap sheets as anyone in the forum.

 

I have never been a saint, nor do I want to be....but  If I was an owner of a football (Any Major league sports team) team and I was paying millions of dollars to a player/coach, I would not sign these guys.  It is MY money, and we do not need questionable character.

 

That said, Aaron has not been convicted f a crime and this needs to run it's course in due process.  Last week Pacman again....this week Hernandez..then there had been .Blackmon....Chad Johnson...not to mention the Honey Badger and Rolando McClain.....Teams do not win signing problems....simple as that.

 

Was anyone else impressed that Coach Pagano actually 'lectured' his troops....making sure they "Stay out of trouble?"  I loved it!!  Go Colts!

Yes Brother it shows he has class,and wants his team representing the same

[BrentMc11]

Yes Brother it shows he has class,and wants his team representing the same

If I was the coach, I would have the speech on film and share it with the fans....this is a family...the Colts are a family.  You keep preaching Brother, the troops get the memo!!!

[Jay Kirk]

My take on Pagano and Grigson is they do the homework on talent,but just as important do it on character just as much.In this day and age you have to :thmsup:

[BrentMc11]

My take on Pagano and Grigson is they do the homework on talent,but just as important do it on character just as much.In this day and age you have to :thmsup:

It is easier than ever for employers with the social media as well.  All big business snoop on Facebook to see if "Johnny" is beer bonging and smoking weed at the party

[Jay Kirk]

It is easier than ever for employers with the social media as well.  All big business snoop on Facebook to see if "Johnny" is beer bonging and smoking weed at the party

   So does big brother ,watching as we post ,and probably flying drones over our locations as we speak

[BrentMc11]

   So does big brother ,watching as we post ,and probably flying drones over our locations as we speak

I guess I could moon the drone?  ( I )   <<<< Big ole butt

[bayone]

I may be as critical of these so-called rap sheets as anyone in the forum.

 

I have never been a saint, nor do I want to be....but  If I was an owner of a football (Any Major league sports team) team and I was paying millions of dollars to a player/coach, I would not sign these guys.  It is MY money, and we do not need questionable character.

 

That said, Aaron has not been convicted f a crime and this needs to run it's course in due process.  Last week Pacman again....this week Hernandez..then there had been .Blackmon....Chad Johnson...not to mention the Honey Badger and Rolando McClain.....Teams do not win signing problems....simple as that.

 

Was anyone else impressed that Coach Pagano actually 'lectured' his troops....making sure they "Stay out of trouble?"  I loved it!!  Go Colts!

 

 

Yes Brother it shows he has class,and wants his team representing the same

 

 

same with Denver staff & Peyton, I am sure all now  Teams now , at least wwould hope so are saying read your playbook, stay in shape, stay out of trouble and comeback prepared and ready for the Hard Work at hand

[bayone]

I am simply stating if I owned the team....I would not risk it...my money...my football family.'  I love Hernadez's game....ON THE FIELD.  Off field...not so much!

 

I would hope that all teams would promote staying out of trouble.  I am sure a Colt or two will drink and drive...or go swimming in a canal or something

 

Thanks for the reply.

 

Great moment in Colt history pending ones viewpoint, Got to love McAfee

 

Best to just play MONOPOLY

 

[TAPLOOK]

I may be as critical of these so-called rap sheets as anyone in the forum.

 

I have never been a saint, nor do I want to be....but  If I was an owner of a football (Any Major league sports team) team and I was paying millions of dollars to a player/coach, I would not sign these guys.  It is MY money, and we do not need questionable character.

 

That said, Aaron has not been convicted f a crime and this needs to run it's course in due process.  Last week Pacman again....this week Hernandez..then there had been .Blackmon....Chad Johnson...not to mention the Honey Badger and Rolando McClain.....Teams do not win signing problems....simple as that.

 

Was anyone else impressed that Coach Pagano actually 'lectured' his troops....making sure they "Stay out of trouble?"  I loved it!!  Go Colts!

Every coach/team in the NFL preaches the same thing. Rookie orientation (all rookies together in one location) is mandatory and spends a large percentage of the time discussing legal issues. No team is immune from players going astray including the Colts. Obviously some crimes are worse than others but we don't know if AH has done anything wrong. At this point I believe he's fully cooperating. Did anyone think he may have broke the phone, security system and cleaned the house as an act of self preservation? The other two guys didn't leave until the house was cleaned so everything could have been done under duress? He may have just watched an execution and thought he might be next had he not complied? Food for thought.

[amfootball]

The longer this goes the more I am thinking AH may not get arrested. He has been compliant with police for the last few days allowing them to search his house for four hours on Saturday. They may not arrest him for obstruction to justice given he is now helping them with the crime scene which appears to be his house in addition to where the body was found near his house. I am also pretty convinced that he is not the murdered as he would have gotten out of dodge by now or the police would have arrested him as a suspect.

[TAPLOOK]

The longer this goes the more I am thinking AH may not get arrested. He has been compliant with police for the last few days allowing them to search his house for four hours on Saturday. They may not arrest him for obstruction to justice given he is now helping them with the crime scene which appears to be his house in addition to where the body was found near his house. I am also pretty convinced that he is not the murdered as he would have gotten out of dodge by now or the police would have arrested him as a suspect.

 

 

True...why turn over the broken phone at all? Why not just say you lost it? He very well may have preserved what evidence that he was able to in turn actually helping the police. I'm also beginning to think everyone is taking the wrong slant on this his situation. 

[Gramz]

The longer this goes the more I am thinking AH may not get arrested. He has been compliant with police for the last few days allowing them to search his house for four hours on Saturday. They may not arrest him for obstruction to justice given he is now helping them with the crime scene which appears to be his house in addition to where the body was found near his house. I am also pretty convinced that he is not the murdered as he would have gotten out of dodge by now or the police would have arrested him as a suspect.

I think the exact opposite. They are gathering evidence, and will wait until they have sufficient evidence to arrest him on whatever charges they have on him, so he doesn't get "off" on a technicality. just my opinion.

[bayone]

The longer this goes the more I am thinking AH may not get arrested. He has been compliant with police for the last few days allowing them to search his house for four hours on Saturday. They may not arrest him for obstruction to justice given he is now helping them with the crime scene which appears to be his house in addition to where the body was found near his house. I am also pretty convinced that he is not the murdered as he would have gotten out of dodge by now or the police would have arrested him as a suspect.

 

see my cooments 28, other day & 40  this am  

 

he isnt compliant, he refuses to talk to them per Lwayers instructions  , they have warrants, he has to let them search, Just Saturday  2 dog teams as noted above 10 or 15 bags of new evidence

 

& they have a yet unused third warant for what we dont know

 

& 

 

Found a  new spot  ,  needed a crowbar and locksmith to get in, he didnt give any keys 

 

HOWEVER AS FAR AS BEING ARRESTED< AS detailed in comment 40, the case for obstruction to justice is strong and may be a squeeze play to get 

 

well as put in my comment   40 that has 3 other articles as well & they are now searching Str...ip clubs he frequents to0

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However

 

A paper warrant is often issued as a way to persuade defense attorneys to cooperate, said FOX 25's legal analyst, Brad Bailey.

 

"It may be that this is a squeeze tactic," he said. "It may be telling Mr. Hernandez that we have a warrant, a warrant for a crime that has a potential maximum penalty of seven years in prison, is a tactic to get him to come to the table, start talking and start cooperating. ( BUT ISNT YET COOPERATING )

 

And that's where the lawyers may be saying, 'OK, we got it. You got our attention. We're willing to respond.' "

 

http://www.csmonitor...step-for-police

 

But as of now hes not cooperating, but if knows something to avoid being arrested and a 7 year obstruction sentence he can turn states evidence once his lawyers convinced no other choice

 

unless of course they think he actually did it and not just destroyed evidence

[bayone]

I think the exact opposite. They are gathering evidence, and will wait until they have sufficient evidence to arrest him on whatever charges they have on him, so he doesn't get "off" on a technicality. just my opinion.

 

Read my comment just above this # 59

[TAPLOOK]

Read my comment just above this # 59

 

All standard MO from both sides.

[bayone]

All standard MO from both sides.

 

we only see what in the press and lets face it, the press can write many a version , but u r write, standard procedures on both sides til comes to a head

[amfootball]

True...why turn over the broken phone at all? Why not just say you lost it? He very well may have preserved what evidence that he was able to in turn actually helping the police. I'm also beginning to think everyone is taking the wrong slant on this his situation. 

Yeah. he knows they can just get the phone records from the cell company so I am thinking he did not destroy the phone or the security system.

 

I also think they did scare him into this as Bayone suggested. I do think he is talking as it has been reported that the police have been interviewing him and he has not left his home all weekend. I think he has a smart lawyer courtesy of Mr. Kraft I am sure.

[amfootball]

I think the exact opposite. They are gathering evidence, and will wait until they have sufficient evidence to arrest him on whatever charges they have on him, so he doesn't get "off" on a technicality. just my opinion.

That is plausible but I think by now they would have arrested him as a suspect given all the times he has been to the house. I thnk he is protecting his girlfriends family and the police are putting the squeeze on him and his lawyer is getting thru as well.

[TAPLOOK]

I find it very interesting that we've yet to here anything about the other two guys? When things do break it's going to move very quick.

[bayone]

I find it very interesting that we've yet to here anything about the other two guys? When things do break it's going to move very quick.

 

What about those other guys, good question, to bad they went back to his hpuse and not others but he is the one that lives locally

 

One things break it will probably go quickly

 

until the glove doesnt fit they are mounting a case , real or not ,  & present it to lawyers   to coerce a deal of some type

 

Yeah. he knows they can just get the phone records from the cell company so I am thinking he did not destroy the phone or the security system.

 

I also think they did scare him into this as Bayone suggested. I do think he is talking as it has been reported that the police have been interviewing him and he has not left his home all weekend. I think he has a smart lawyer courtesy of Mr. Kraft I am sure.

 

I think any talk he had was small compared to when lawyers said no comment

 

Police will say we gathered this this & this, all the things done that seem to hinder our investigation provides further evidence when taking as a whole, then will make a case to lawyers and say well now what u think, u want immunity or a lighter sentence or some type of plea bargain, then lets make a deal

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Now BTW they have scuba divers searching some water nearby

 

including all thgat has preceded the above water search

 

A local police officer who was on site told Hollenberg that "this is way beyond what we're used to."

 

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000214068/article/waters-near-aaron-hernandezs-home-searched-by-police

 

And, on Monday morning, police in scuba gear using metal detectors searched a creek near Hernandez's home, according to NESN.com.

 

article says  " speculation is " the creek they are searching is for a missing gun

 

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/eye-on-football/22514261/report-police-in-scuba-gear-search-water-near-aaron-hernandezs-home

 

searched a pond and heavily wooded areas on either side of the street leading into the upscale development

 they emerged empty-handed. No evidence found in water

 

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2013/06/24/aaron-hernandez-police-search-woods-murder-investigation/2451897/

 

I Wonder what the Cost of the investigation is ???

[BrentMc11]

Every coach/team in the NFL preaches the same thing. Rookie orientation (all rookies together in one location) is mandatory and spends a large percentage of the time discussing legal issues. No team is immune from players going astray including the Colts. Obviously some crimes are worse than others but we don't know if AH has done anything wrong. At this point I believe he's fully cooperating. Did anyone think he may have broke the phone, security system and cleaned the house as an act of self preservation? The other two guys didn't leave until the house was cleaned so everything could have been done under duress? He may have just watched an execution and thought he might be next had he not complied? Food for thought.

After this past month, I am not sure I want my rookies listening to Pacman....just sayin.

 

Coach Pagano has a fatherly approach yet with discipline and RESPECT.

 

The Bengals and the Raiders....and really now the Cowboys do not seem to get it when it comes to trouble...once again....I will NEVER be accused of being a saint.  

 

15 bags of evidence is a scary premise for Mr. Hernandez.....would love to have his talent...but not his life or lifestyle.  

[dw49]

Yeah. he knows they can just get the phone records from the cell company so I am thinking he did not destroy the phone or the security system.

 

I also think they did scare him into this as Bayone suggested. I do think he is talking as it has been reported that the police have been interviewing him and he has not left his home all weekend. I think he has a smart lawyer courtesy of Mr. Kraft I am sure.

 

 

You must have seen the posts about what the Pats will owe Hernandez if he's locked up or suspended. I'm surprised you have not posted the link you gave me in the other thread which completely contradicts the link posted here ...which is the same I gave you 2-3 days ago. I wonder which report is correct ? Seems to me that it would be very difficult to collect or take back a bonus already paid. 

[dw49]

u are correct , in fact apparently if i understand right even

if Jailed he gets just about all , just not his workout bonus which i don't think is  significant from what article says, about 1 million total

 

here are the details   , u read this and article and maybe u might have a different conclusion

 

Examining Aaron Hernandez's New England Patriots contract

 

 According to his amended contract, Hernandez is guaranteed a total of $16 million. Of that, $9.25 million in a signing bonus already has been paid, with the final $3.25 million due in March 2014.

 

The rest of it comes in guaranteed base salaries for the 2013 and 2014 seasons, along with $1 million total guarantees in workout bonuses for the 2014 and 2015 offseasons. According to Paragraph 32(d) of his amended contract, the workout bonus is "null and void" if the player fails to report.

 

That "failure to report" clause is the one not present in the sections for his base salaries. 

 

In almost all other contracts, it would be.

 

That means, even if he is suspended or unable to report for any reason, the Patriots still might be on the hook for $1.323 million in 2013 and $1.137 million in 2014. It's unclear why the "failure to perform" or "failure to practice" clause is not present in Hernandez's contract.

 

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000213873/article/examining-aaron-hernandezs-new-england-patriots-contract

 

Report: Patriots Teammates Say Aaron Hernandez Got More Brazen After Contract Extension

Read more at: http://nesn.com/2013/06/report-patriots-teammates-say-aaron-hernandez-got-more-brazen-after-contract-extension/

 

 

 

I posted a link to this article in the Brady "quick release" thread when it got a little off topic a couple of days ago. AM football found one that stated that with the new CBA , the team could recover the paid out bonus and although a bit confusing seemed to say that it would not be counted against the cap. So I'm a bit confused on this one.

[bayone]

After this past month, I am not sure I want my rookies listening to Pacman....just sayin.

 

Coach Pagano has a fatherly approach yet with discipline and RESPECT.

 

The Bengals and the Raiders....and really now the Cowboys do not seem to get it when it comes to trouble...once again....I will NEVER be accused of being a saint.  

 

15 bags of evidence is a scary premise for Mr. Hernandez.....would love to have his talent...but not his life or lifestyle.  

 

 

Later stories reduced it to 10, its the locked area that Hernandez wouldn't or couldn't, maybe previous owners secret compartment, who knows, heard was ty warrens house, that police had to use crowbar & finally a locksmith to break into, that Saturday , the day    when emerged with the 10 bags

 

Who knows what really happened, doesn't sound good  but untill we get all the facts we are speculating to a large degree and Media isnt helping painting a picture of innoncence

 

and BTW back to another post, The tip on hoffas n body once again proved false

[bayone]

You must have seen the posts about what the Pats will owe Hernandez if he's locked up or suspended. I'm surprised you have not posted the link you gave me in the other thread which completely contradicts the link posted here ...which is the same I gave you 2-3 days ago. I wonder which report is correct ? Seems to me that it would be very difficult to collect or take back a bonus already paid. 

 

not juist that, thgey still have to pay rest of contract years except a million in workout bonus due to lack of a specific clause generally built into these contracts I posted earlier comment 44

[bayone]

I posted a link to this article in the Brady "quick release" thread when it got a little off topic a couple of days ago. AM football found one that stated that with the new CBA , the team could recover the paid out bonus and although a bit confusing seemed to say that it would not be counted against the cap. So I'm a bit confused on this one.

 

sorry DT I missed it or just caught up with everything and forgot, I posted what ii did as know i read think amfootballs post that they wpouldnt have to pay, guess didnt see your rebuttal

 

Just getting baack on computer but soon off again

 

cant read everything, me bad

[BrentMc11]

Later stories reduced it to 10, its the locked area that Hernandez wouldn't or couldn't, maybe previous owners secret compartment, who knows, heard was ty warrens house, that police had to use crowbar & finally a locksmith to break into, that Saturday , the day    when emerged with the 10 bags

 

Who knows what really happened, doesn't sound good  but untill we get all the facts we are speculating to a large degree and Media isnt helping painting a picture of innoncence

 

and BTW back to another post, The tip on hoffas n body once again proved false

I dealt with his son(Hoffa Jr.) for the last 11 years of my career....some nice memories  Not exactly fond....

 

Yes Sir Yes Sir 10 bags full   (Oh that is not how it goes......

 

 

[southwest1]

Trying to discredit the reputation of a police station and police officers is the way defense attorneys try to get murderers back on the street when they know their client is guilty. If you cant prove innocence, try to use the prosecutions past slights against them, whether relevence is there or not. May be the nature of the beast but it shows the defense for what they are; guily, shameless, and without morality.

Everybody seems to wanna paint defensive attorneys as shameless, immoral, manipulative, & unethical until you need one...There's a reason people laugh at the jokes: What kind of suits do lawyers wear to court? Lawsuits. What do you call 500 sharks/lawyers at the bottom of the ocean? A good start. It's true not because of their cut throat reputation, but because a citizen accused of a crime wants aggressive representation to preserve & keep intact their accustomed lifestyle.

 

Defensive attorneys always get an unflattering persona. As long as they get results, that's all I care about actually. 

[Jay Kirk]

Everybody seems to wanna paint defensive attorneys as shameless, immoral, manipulative, & unethical until you need one...There's a reason people laugh at the jokes: What kind of suits do lawyers wear to court? Lawsuits. What do you call 500 sharks/lawyers at the bottom of the ocean? A good start. It's true not because of their cut throat reputation, but because a citizen accused of a crime wants aggressive representation to preserve & keep intact their accustomed lifestyle.

 

Defensive attorneys always get an unflattering persona. As long as they get results, that's all I care about actually. 

I don't paint them in the light as Narcosys.Defense lawyers are needed, especially sense the system is upside down.Lets not forget you should be innocent until proven guilty, not guilty until proven innocent.Unfortionately that's how bad things have got twisted.Our judicial system is far from perfect,and in all honesty in a lot of cases its just totally broke ! Not really making the judgment on this particular case,havnt been staying up on it,but that being said this is my view of our judiscial system we have now

[dw49]

sorry DT I missed it or just caught up with everything and forgot, I posted what ii did as know i read think amfootballs post that they wpouldnt have to pay, guess didnt see your rebuttal

 

Just getting baack on computer but soon off again

 

cant read everything, me bad

 

 

 

No issue with you not seeing that as it was in the wrong thread anyway. Just interested in which of the two scenarios is correct...

[bayone]

No issue with you not seeing that as it was in the wrong thread anyway. Just interested in which of the two scenarios is correct...

 

Dont remember if AM had a link / source for what he thought, Mine , Yours, Ours was NFl.com Ian rapoport 

[Narcosys]

Are you omitting prosecuting attorneys in that class? There is a long list of prosecuting attorneys that have done their share of underhanded things. Does Carl Brizzi ring a bell? Lawyers are paid to do their jobs good or bad. Lets not forget that the legal system in this country is controlled by lawyers including on the bench.

We were talking about discrediting the police. i dont see prosecutors doing that. But i get your point.

[amfootball]

I posted a link to this article in the Brady "quick release" thread when it got a little off topic a couple of days ago. AM football found one that stated that with the new CBA , the team could recover the paid out bonus and although a bit confusing seemed to say that it would not be counted against the cap. So I'm a bit confused on this one.

Yes, this is confusing. I know when they did the new CBA one of the big points for the owners was helping to protect clubs if a player went to jail, i.e. Plaxico Burress. Given how the Pats do their contracts, I would be shocked if they had this clause taken out for AH given his rap sheet from college. I suppose we will find out soon enough.

 

I am starting to think that he is not going to get arrested the longer this thing goes. I do like the way the police are handling it. Very quitely and very thourough. The hammer will drop soon I think...