Is Painter The Product Of Bill Polian's Ego?

[GoColts8818]

FACT,polian fired mora because he refused to fire d-cordinator vic fangio.

Completely different situations.

We ranked near the bottom of the league in Defense...the dude had to go everyone agreed on that but Mora...

It's not like we were ranked 1st and defense and he fired him for it.

[Colts30yrsandcounting]

One thing that adds to the fear of Painter is Peyton's face. The shots of Peyton yesterday were of complete digust and frustration. If he felt he would be back soon I think we would have seen a happier Peyton. He knows without him the Colts will lose whatever games they play (he knows he's probably not close to returning) and if he comes back rusty and the Colts are 0 and 2 or worse the Colts are probably toast. How many teams have come back from 0 and 2 and made the playoffs? Also it will be harder to do with a very difficult schedule.

[braveheartcolt]

You know what the perfect season thing was a product of Polian AND Caldwell. Again resting the starters did not start with Polian, as when they had Mora as a head coach when they had a chance to sit there starters vs. the Bills they played the starters. Even keeping them in the game when it was well out of reach up till Bennett getting hurt. It was Dungy who brought resting the staters here. It was then Dungy who trained Caldwell. Polian did what a good GM should do, he supported his head coach's choice. What I will agree with is that Polian's ego is what caused the PR nightmare after the fact.

Now you are just making a lot assumpetions with the rest. Show one peace of proof that you have that it was Polian who made Caldwell pull the starters? Caldwell had to agree with the plan because it was him who made the call to take them out in the game. If he didn't they wouldn't have come out. What was Polian going to do fire a 15-0 coach on the brink of the playoffs? Not going to happen or Irsay would have shown him the door. Sorry Caldwell was on board with the call.

You are blameing Polian for a lot of Caldwell's calls. Sounds like the guy you should be mad at is Caldwell.

Polian hired Caldwell. Enough said.

[coltfaninnewyork]

He just simpely pointed out there were more issues there than just the QB play. He did NOT say the QBs played well. In fact he didn't say if how he felt about their play. He's just pointing out that QB isn't our only issue right now.

He also didn't dismiss it he just pretty much said well if the owner wants me too I will. He has never said Painter is his guy. Painter is here becuase Painter is cheap.

You missed what I said about Caldwell. I was saying Polian has a track record of hiring those kinds of coaches and if Polian had the ego where he as going down and telling the coach what to do it would have showed up BEFORE Caldwell. He would have never hired a guy like Mora if that was the case.

he did tell a coach like mora what to do,and when he did not he was fired,and mora was a veteran and well respected coach.Fangio was well respected as well and was fired from coaching a defense that had no talent.No freeney no Mathis to name two.

[BIGugly]

No it was week 16, bye week and it was our 15th week.

That's correct...

[GoColts8818]

he did tell a coach like mora what to do,and when he did not he was fired,and mora was a veteran and well respected coach.Fangio was well respected as well and was fired from coaching a defense that had no talent.No freeney no Mathis to name two.

That was a completely different situation, namely Irsay told Polian he wanted a change made for starters. Second, everyone agreed that Fangio needed to go that his system was not working for this team. You are desperately trying to find something to back up your point and it's not working.

[coltfaninnewyork]

I am right,always were.Your the guy who somehow thinks caldwell makes personal decisions,when everybody in the freeworld knows thats a bunch of crap.Polian runs every aspect of this team right down to the propeganda machine that you have bought into hookline and sinker.And i'm fine with polian running this team,not saying this is a bad thing.

[coltfaninnewyork]

That was a completely different situation, namely Irsay told Polian he wanted a change made for starters. Second, everyone agreed that Fangio needed to go that his system was not working for this team. You are desperately trying to find something to back up your point and it's not working.

Who's everyone?I bet mora did not agree.

[GoColts8818]

I am right,always were.Your the guy who somehow thinks caldwell makes personal decisions,when everybody in the freeworld knows thats a bunch of crap.Polian runs every aspect of this team right down to the propeganda machine that you have bought hookline and sinker.

I'll ask you one more offer up some real proof not your opinion that Polian ordered Caldwell to bench the starters. If you are right you shouldn't have a problem presenting that proof.

I have told you I offered you my opinoin on what happened and I showed you the facts I based it off. You have yet to back up to your point and I am still waiting on you to do so. The best you got is that Polian fired Mora because he wouldn't fire a coach that deserved to be fired and that Irsay told Polian he wanted fired.

[GoColts8818]

Who's everyone?

Anyone who watched our defense that season, although you are probaly right there is probably a handful of people who didn't want him fired. Those are called exceptions to what most people wanted that season.

[coltfaninnewyork]

I'll ask you one more offer up some real proof not your opinion that Polian ordered Caldwell to bench the starters. If you are right you shouldn't have a problem presenting that proof.

I have told you I offered you my opinoin on what happened and I showed you the facts I based it off. You have yet to back up to your point and I am still waiting on you to do so. The best you got is that Polian fired Mora because he wouldn't fire a coach that deserved to be fired and that Irsay told Polian he wanted fired.

Your opinion was based on what facts?That polian had no history of involving himself in coaching decisions,can i ask you were you in the meeting room when this was discussed?You surmised this as fact based on past precedent.So i ask you sir where are your facts?

[GoColts8818]

Your opinion was based on what facts?That polian had no history of involving himself in coaching decisions,can i ask you were you in the meeting room when this was discussed?You surmised this as fact based on past precedent.So i ask you sir where are your facts?

That we didn't have a history of resting the starters till Dungy was here. In fact under Mora we played the starters in a similar spot. To most people that would suggest Polian isn't the one who brought in the idea of resting the starters and lets his coaches make that call.

Yes Polian track record of hiring coaches tends to lend it's self to the idea that he isn't just looking for a puppet to control and it would be a rather large jump to thnk that the he just changed his mind when he hired Caldwell.

There is also the fact that Caldwell was trained by Dungy is it really so shocking to think that maybe just maybe Caldwell believes in resting the starters just like Dungy did?

I also laid out the story Dungy told about the war room on draft days where it was give and take between the two. If Polian was this puppet master why would he have listened to Dungy and drafted players Dungy wanted? It just doesn't add up.

There is also the fact that Caldwell is the one who had to take the starters out of the game. If he really didn't want to give up on the perfect season he wouldn't have taken them out. Do you really think Irsay would have let Polian fire Caldwell over it? What else could have Polian done if Caldwell did that?

There is also the very public fact that Peyton Manning and Tony Dungy both publically endorsed Caldwell for the job do you really think both of them would have endorsed him if they thought he was just a puppet for Polian?

[coltfaninnewyork]

That we didn't have a history of resting the starters till Dungy was here. In fact under Mora we played the starters in a similar spot. To most people that would suggest Polian isn't the one who brought in the idea of resting the starters and lets his coaches make that call.

Yes Polian track record of hiring coaches tends to lend it's self to the idea that he isn't just looking for a puppet to control and it would be a rather large jump to thnk that the he just changed his mind when he hired Caldwell.

There is also the fact that Caldwell was trained by Dungy is it really so shocking to think that maybe just maybe Caldwell believes in resting the starters just like Dungy did?

I also laid out the story Dungy told about the war room on draft days where it was give and take between the two. If Polian was this puppet master why would he have listened to Dungy and drafted players Dungy wanted? It just doesn't add up.

There is also the fact that Caldwell is the one who had to take the starters out of the game. If he really didn't want to give up on the perfect season he wouldn't have taken them out. Do you really think Irsay would have let Polian fire Caldwell over it? What else could have Polian done if Caldwell did that?

There is also the very public fact that Peyton Manning and Tony Dungy both publically endorsed Caldwell for the job do you really think both of them would have endorsed him if they thought he was just a puppet for Polian?

Still everything you say is just a theory and opinion...not a fact.When you say dungy said this or said that, it is heresay.Do you think anyone who is paid by the organization would ever really tell you what goes on ,behind the scenes?Think about it,polian would never disrespect or undermine caldwell publically?The illusion of caldwell having any control is just that, an illusion.

[SilentHill]

Anyone that watched Painter play against the jets two seasons ago when the perfect season was on the line knows that Painter is horrible and has no business even being a backup in the NFL.

[GoColts8818]

Still everything you say is just a theory and opinion...not a fact.When you say dungy said this or said that, it is heresay.Do you think anyone who is paid by the organization would ever really tell you what goes on ,behind the scenes?Think about it,polian would never disrespect or undermine caldwell publically?The illusion of caldwell having any control is just that, an illusion.

It's not an opinion in the exact same spot under Mora with Polian here we didn't rest our starters. That is a fact, it happened. Now based on that alone something has to give. Either 1, Polian isn't the one who believes in resting the starters and goes along with what his coach wants to do or 2, he can't be the puppet master he's accused of because he didn't tell Mora to sit the starters.

The Dungy story is also not an opinion that is a fact based on a very public interview with Dan Patrick after Dungy left as our coach. Again if Polian was a puppet master he wouldn't have listened to Dungy on draft day nor draft the type of players Dungy wanted.

Polian's track record of hiring coaches is not an opinion that is cold hard fact. Look at the coaches he has hired before Caldwell would you call any of them puppets? If he's a puppet master he wouldn't have hired those kinds of coaches.

Peyton Manning and Tony Dungy endorsing Caldwell for the job is also not an opinion that too is a fact. It happened.

There is also the fact that Caldwell is the one who pulled the starters. He was the only one on sideline that could do it. Clearly if he didn't want to pull the starters he wouldn't have done it.

It is also a fact that Caldwell has fired coaches and hired almost all the coaching staff since he took over. If he was just a puppet he wouldn't be doing that.

Also if Caldwell is just a puppet for Polian explain the timeouts Caldwell has taken. Those have been Caldwell's calls so clearly he has some kinda power.

Those are all facts. Those are things that happened. Based on all those things I've to the opinion that Caldwell is not some puppet being controled by Polian. It doesn't add up. The myth that Caldwell is a puppet is just that a myth.

[coltfaninnewyork]

It's not an opinion in the exact same spot under Mora with Polian here we didn't rest our starters. That is a fact, it happened. Now based on that alone something has to give. Either 1, Polian isn't the one who believes in resting the starters and goes along with what his coach wants to do or 2, he can't be the puppet master he's accused of because he didn't tell Mora to sit the starters.

The Dungy story is also not an opinion that is a fact based on a very public interview with Dan Patrick after Dungy left as our coach. Again if Polian was a puppet master he wouldn't have listened to Dungy on draft day nor draft the type of players Dungy wanted.

Polian's track record of hiring coaches is not an opinion that is cold hard fact. Look at the coaches he has hired before Caldwell would you call any of them puppets? If he's a puppet master he wouldn't have hired those kinds of coaches.

Peyton Manning and Tony Dungy endorsing Caldwell for the job is also not an opinion that too is a fact. It happened.

There is also the fact that Caldwell is the one who pulled the starters. He was the only one on sideline that could do it. Clearly if he didn't want to pull the starters he wouldn't have done it.

It is also a fact that Caldwell has fired coaches and hired almost all the coaching staff since he took over. If he was just a puppet he wouldn't be doing that.

Also if Caldwell is just a puppet for Polian explain the timeouts Caldwell has taken. Those have been Caldwell's calls so clearly he has some kinda power.

Those are all facts. Those are things that happened. Based on all those things I've to the opinion that Caldwell is not some puppet being controled by Polian. It doesn't add up. The myth that Caldwell is a puppet is just that a myth.

The only fact is that they said it,but what i am trying to tell you it does not mean it's true.Yes caldwell has power on sunday for 60 minutes,anything after that would be miniscule.I will agree caldwell has complete autonomy on gameday,i never would dispute that.When the starters would be pulled was made before the game.You do understand caldwell works for polian not the other way around.

[colts52761]

when was the last time polian drafted a pro bowler?

[GoColts8818]

when was the last time polian drafted a pro bowler?

Do you think Collie or Powers are Pro-Bowl level players? There is a chance both could go this season and frankly McAfee could end up in the running for the pro-bowl. If you like those guys then just a couple of years ago.