Colts @ Cowboys Preseason Game Night Thread

[dgambill 4,695]

All I know is after two preseason games if I was Andrew Luck I would hold out for a new contract.....he deserves a LOT more money lol

[Indy_Mike 384]

Steelers will eat Tolzien up next week!

[HOZER 3,215]

 Morris passes at least the eye test as a legitimate backup QB. He's scored touchdowns both games with very little time to play, and he is definitely a cool customer, way cooler then Tolzein. And those who say he's playing against third stringers, he's also playing with a third string OL and getting the job done. Tolzein doesn't show me anything other then the ability to complete short passes occasionally. He doesn't look or act like a leader or anyone I would want to go into battle with, even in his interviews he just doesn't have the confidence, swagger or charisma of a good leader, he always looks nervous. Give Morris time with the 2's next week and lets see how he does. 

[Susie Q 1,357]

4 minutes ago, RockThatBlue said:

I would be more comfortable if Morris started week 1 than Tolzein.

^^^ Agree

[RockThatBlue 8,266]

1 minute ago, chad72 said:

 

Not till he gets to play vs the ones

They should do it next week. Ones will play nearly 3 quarters. What better way to see if Morris is ready? We know what Tolzein is against #1s. Lets see Morris.

[dgambill 4,695]

1 minute ago, NFLfan said:

You don't like Locke? 

He is serviceable....but his kickoffs leave a lot to be desired....and Pat always had nice onside kicks.

[Bluefire4 2,134]

3 minutes ago, NFLfan said:

You don't like Locke? 

Locke is a good punter but it's just going to be hard to get over McAfee leaving when he did so much for this team. Excellent punting, great kickoffs, onside kicks, trick plays throwing the ball. He was even a decent and willing tackler.

[NFLfan 7,741]

4 minutes ago, dgambill said:

He is serviceable....but his kickoffs leave a lot to be desired....and Pat always had nice inside kicks.

 

We were not too disappointed when we did not re-sign him. He was ok; sometimes he had great punts and other times he had really bad ones.

[Lucky Colts Fan 4,786]

There was the good - Marlon Mack. And Simon returning the favor from last week and forcing a fumble for Vontae to recover.  Hunt blocking a FG.

 

There was the bad - The Dallas OLine bulldozing our D in the opening drive.  And then again.  And then again.

 

And there was the ugly - Our offense without Luck.

[MB-ColtsFan 1,480]

Just now, Superman said:

 

I don't think Morris can actually play very well, even on a good night he's really inconsistent and made some questionable decisions. And since it's a foregone conclusion that Tolzien is the guy if Luck can't play, they should give Tolzien all the first team reps. But, Morris seems to have that playmaking gene, which Tolzien definitely does not have.

...and I think that's where we'll really disagree.  ST is a safe QB, and I think we both agree on that.

Morris, I think, will offer you a better chance of stretching the defense and possibly a *better* chance of moving the ball forward.  Of course, you also increase the chance of a turnover with his throwing inaccuracy.  You just have to pick your poison.

 

As of right now I want to see Morris get better snaps - even if it's with the 2's and not the 1's.  I need more time to evaluate him against better talent.

[NFLfan 7,741]

1 minute ago, Bluefire4 said:

He's a good punter but it's just going to be hard to get over McAfee leaving when he did so much for this team. Excellent punting, great kickoffs, onside kicks, trick plays throwing the ball. He was even a decent tackler.

Oh yeah, McAfee was great -- the best out there. I was surprised he retired.  I only asked the question because Locke is a former Vikings player who they chose not to re-sign.

[coltsfansince65 1,269]

4 minutes ago, NFLfan said:

You don't like Locke? 

He could turn out to be very good but......I think we're a little spoiled by the outstanding play of Patty Mac.

[Peterk2011 556]

21 minutes ago, NFLfan said:

Did you see the stats on Wilson? If you didn't, let me post the link again.

Wilson has not regressed.  2015 stats: 68.1 completion percentage, 4024 yds, 34 TD passes and 8 Int. 110.1 passer rating. 

It is disturbing that so many minimize or deliberately misrepresent his performance.

http://www.nfl.com/player/russellwilson/2532975/careerstats

 

I don't care about passer rating. You thow 15 passes a game and get 120 because you are only asked to do so much. Then, be asked to pass 40 a game, and you downfall....

 

Wilson's QBR ratings (still not perfect measure, but a lot better than rating an such, represents effectiveness better) since he's been drafted: 77.2, 70.4, 72,7, 72.2 and 63.6. His yards/game averages respectively were 194, 210, 217, 251 and 263 yards.

 

I'm not saying he's bad, don't get me wrong. But clearly, as he's been asked more, he's been regressing. He is terrific until he can move and not asked to pass more than 20-25 times, 220-230 yards per game. As he's asked to throw more, he's dropping his level, he's not in Luck's, Carr's, Winston's league. He never will be. He's like a better Vick.

[Bluefire4 2,134]

1 minute ago, NFLfan said:

Oh yeah, McAfee was great -- the best out there. I was surprised he retired.  I only asked the question because Locke is a former Vikings player who they chose not to re-sign.

Yeah I get it. I saw Locke play for the Vikings in a couple games and was not impressed at all. I'm pleasantly surprised at what he is showing with us right now. I haven't seen a bad punt yet I don't think. He pinned one inside the 5 last week. It was a beauty.

[jameszeigler834 1,188]

1 hour ago, BlueShoe said:

 

Our starting defensive line got punched in the mouth early. First round knockout by Dallas. 

Got killed up front.

[PrincetonTiger 8,707]

9 minutes ago, NFLfan said:

You don't like Locke? 

I like Rigo

[MB-ColtsFan 1,480]

1 minute ago, Bluefire4 said:

Yeah I get it. I saw Locke play for the Vikings in a couple games and was not impressed at all. I'm pleasantly surprised at what he is showing with us right now. I haven't seen a bad punt yet I don't think. He pinned one inside the 5 last week. It was a beauty.

Bounced out at the 2, I think.  It was a beauty.  I like Locke.

[oldunclemark 10,262]

No new injuries?    IT wasnt a bad night

[NFLfan 7,741]

11 minutes ago, Peterk2011 said:

 

I don't care about passer rating. You thow 15 passes a game and get 120 because you are only asked to do so much. Then, be asked to pass 40 a game, and you downfall....

 

Wilson's QBR ratings (still not perfect, but better reflects actual performance) since he's been drafted: 77.2, 70.4, 72,7, 72.2 and 63.6. His yards/game averages respectively were 194, 210, 217, 251 and 263 yards.

 

I'm not saying he's bad, don't get me wrong. But clearly, as he's been asked more, he's been regressing. He is terrific until he can move and not asked to pass more than 20-25 times, 220-230 yards per game. As he's asked to throw more, he's dropping his level, he's not in Luck's, Carr's, Winston's league. He never will be. He's like a better Vick.

 

He is only "like a better Vick"??? Wow. It is so absurd that I don't think that deserves a response. 

[rpeay 17]

Would like to see Morris get a chance to play with the 1st string next week.  I think he has made better checkoffs and more down field throws than Tolzien.  He has played better, albeit against the 2nd string d....but give the guy a chance.  Tolzien has not done anything.  Costanzo is not any better this year either.....Grigson leftover

[HOZER 3,215]

2 minutes ago, oldunclemark said:

No new injuries?    IT wasnt a bad night

Waiting to hear on Wilson, left game with some type of leg/knee injury.

[coltsfansince65 1,269]

2 minutes ago, oldunclemark said:

No new injuries?    IT wasnt a bad night

Quincy Wilson went out & our punter got blasted. Don't know what the injuries were or how extensive but that's all I remember from the game.

[Superman 34,318]

8 minutes ago, MB-ColtsFan said:

...and I think that's where we'll really disagree.  ST is a safe QB, and I think we both agree on that.

Morris, I think, will offer you a better chance of stretching the defense and possibly a *better* chance of moving the ball forward.  Of course, you also increase the chance of a turnover with his throwing inaccuracy.  You just have to pick your poison.

 

As of right now I want to see Morris get better snaps - even if it's with the 2's and not the 1's.  I need more time to evaluate him against better talent.

 

I don't necessarily disagree with any of that. I just think it's a done deal that Tolzien is the guy if Luck can't play, and that being the case, I want him to get as much work in the preseason as possible. 

[NFLfan 7,741]

7 minutes ago, Bluefire4 said:

Yeah I get it. I saw Locke play for the Vikings in a couple games and was not impressed at all. I'm pleasantly surprised at what he is showing with us right now. I haven't seen a bad punt yet I don't think. He pinned one inside the 5 last week. It was a beauty.

 

He will have some awesome punts at times. But at other times, he will punt poorly. McAfee was consistently good.

[csmopar 7,240]

So our starting D line sucked against arguably the best OL in the league....

[Peterk2011 556]

1 minute ago, coltsfansince65 said:

Quincy Wilson went out & our punter got blasted. Don't know what the injuries were or how extensive but that's all I remember from the game.

 

I hope Wilson is fine. He held his arm, looked like he has pain in his shoulder....

[RockThatBlue 8,266]

3 minutes ago, coltsfansince65 said:

Quincy Wilson went out & our punter got blasted. Don't know what the injuries were or how extensive but that's all I remember from the game.

Sanchez came back in. I think he was ok.

[MB-ColtsFan 1,480]

1 minute ago, Superman said:

 

I don't necessarily disagree with any of that. I just think it's a done deal that Tolzien is the guy if Luck can't play, and that being the case, I want him to get as much work in the preseason as possible. 

IF the coaching staff has already given Tolz the keys then I fault the coaching staff, but  it is what it is.  If they haven't settled on the starter then they owe themselves to let Morris run with the 1's.  I hope they haven't boxed themselves into a corner.  We shall see.

Go COLTS!

[BlueShoe 3,884]

It wasn't pretty, and we have some issues to address. However, this was better than last week. 

 

Make no mistake that without Luck, this team will be living in the cellar of the AFC South. 

[NFLfan 7,741]

12 minutes ago, PrincetonTiger said:

I like Rigo

 

He must be from Princeton, Evansville or went to school in Indiana. There is no more loyal Hoosier than you.

 

I was speaking to my neighbor of 10 years a couple of weeks ago. He told me that he grew up in Indiana -- a city called Hobart. He is a very nice guy.

[PrincetonTiger 8,707]

2 minutes ago, NFLfan said:

 

He must be from Princeton, Evansville or went to school in Indiana. There is no more of a loyal Hoosier than you.

 

I was speaking to my neighbor of 10 years a couple of weeks ago. He told me that he grew up in Indiana -- a city called Hobart. He is a very nice guy.

He was a Brickie

[PrincetonTiger 8,707]

2 minutes ago, NFLfan said:

 

He must be from Princeton, Evansville or went to school in Indiana. There is no more of a loyal Hoosier than you.

 

I was speaking to my neighbor of 10 years a couple of weeks ago. He told me that he grew up in Indiana -- a city called Hobart. He is a very nice guy.

That would be the reason I like Keenan Cole and MarQueis Gray

[Peterk2011 556]

8 minutes ago, MB-ColtsFan said:

IF the coaching staff has already given Tolz the keys then I fault the coaching staff, but  it is what it is.  If they haven't settled on the starter then they owe themselves to let Morris run with the 1's.  I hope they haven't boxed themselves into a corner.  We shall see.

Go COLTS!

 

I think it's set. Walker is not ready yet, and all I heard is, Morris is not a practice guy, he has problems grasping the playbook. They won't start a guy who they can't gameplan on over Tolzien, just because the guy looked good in a preseason game with vanilla playcalling against a 3rd team defense.

I agree though, I'm curious to see Morris with the 2nd team, maybe a few snaps with the 1st-s. (Altough Tolzien will probably get extended look next week as starters usually do. So I'm not sure there will be any free snaps left with the first team for Morris. But with the seconds, I definitely would like to see him..)

[Bluefire4 2,134]

43 minutes ago, oldunclemark said:

No new injuries?    IT wasnt a bad night

Wilson had a knee injury. Jeremiah George had a hamstring. Tevin Mitchel had a abdominal strain. Most important one is Wilson and I hope he is ok.

[ColtsBlueFL 5,385]

2 hours ago, Superman said:

 

Absolutely I can. Tolzien threw the ball accurately, and I don't understand why everyone is acting like he was bad today.

 

 

Tolzien threw the ball well today. All short stuff, but he hit his receivers, even against tight coverage and with poor protection. Almost every completion from Walker has been high, and the receiver has had to jump to make the catch.

 

Morris wasn't good last week either, aside from the last drive.

 

I'm convinced Tolzien is significantly better than Walker and Morris. Doesn't mean I'm a Tolzien fan, but it's crazy to me that everyone is banging Tolzien while itching to see two guys that are clearly worse.

 

Agreed, but i don't particularly like Tolzien either...

 

Here is a list of QB's taken the last 5 years in round 4 and higher i probably would rather have right now-

2017-
4    Joshua Dobbs
5    Nathan Peterman
6    Brad Kaaya

 

2016-
4     Connor Cook
4      Dak Prescott  !!
4      Cardale Jones (Chargers traded a 7th for this guy for 2017) *
5      Kevin Hogan
6      Nate Sudfeld
6      Jake Rudock
6      Brandon Allen

2015-
4    Bryce Petty
5     Brett Hundley
7     Trevor Siemian !

 

2014-
4    Logan Thomas
4     Tom Savage
5     AJ McCarron
6     Zach Mettenberger

2013-
4    Matt Barkley
4     Ryan Nassib
4     Tyler Wilson
4     Landry Jones

 

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

2012-

** 1   Luck  **

 

3    Russell Wilson !!!

4    Nick Foles !

4    Kirk Cousins  !!
 

7,   Chandler Harnish ***  Colts draft

 

I'd would have liked any of these 2013 and newer4th rounders and beyond, except possibly Jones.  But we have who we have and have to work with it.

[ColtsBlueFL 5,385]

2 hours ago, PrincetonTiger said:

Morris is not the next Montana so everyone needs to stop

 

Seems funny to me, many arguing about playing newer UDFA QB's instead of an older and game tested UDFA.

 

To me, It's like debating who has the worst winter weather. Fargo ND, Minneapolis, MN, or Buffalo NY..

 

One has to be better than the other 2, but none seem enticing....

[LucasOilStadium 532]

Colts unfortunately lost their second straight preseason game and are 0 and 2, not the result we wanted again  tonight.   Colts next play the Pittsburgh Steelers next Sunday, but they may have an advantage.  Colts have an off day on Sunday,  and the coaching staff expect  see and scout the Steelers, as Pittsburgh is hosting the Atlanta Falcons Sunday afternoon, and televised on the NFL Network. I'm sure the Steelers Vs. Falcons game at Pittsburgh will impact the Colts game preparation next weekend.

 

Third time and game might be the charm, as Indianapolis is trying to avoid being winless, before their regular season finale with the Cincinnati Bengals on August 31.

 

We also might hear further news in the other developing story if Andrew Luck is healthy physically to clear himself from the PUP list, and be ready to play the regular season opener at the L.A. Rams, if not later, for the season opener at LOS when they host the return of Bruce Arians, and the Arizona Cardinals.

 

Enjoy another week in the meantime between Colts game, we will see you here as the Colts travel again at Pittsburgh, and their goal is to win to next two preseason games to even their record at 2-2 and .500.

 

Stay Colts Strong, and GO COLTS!           

[ColtsBlueFL 5,385]

19 hours ago, dgambill said:

I'd still rather have him at safety covering TEs with his size and coming up and making licks....maybe this is just Pagano getting him coverage work before moving him back to safety.

 

I think they are counting on (hoping for ) Hooker and Geathers as FS and SS, with Green doing some CB, and most likely covering TE's in a 'Big Nickel' and Dime sub package.  At least, that's how i see it moving forward...