T.y. Versus The Marvelous Marvin harrison

[ColtsHappy]

Nah, the point isn't to keep rubbing your face in it. 

 

The point is that you were so determined to chide everyone who dared to refute the idea that these two young receivers were on the level of a future HOFer that you ignored reason. Now that you have the benefit of hindsight, it would seem that you'd be a little less sensational.

 

TY Hilton is awesome. I've been a fan of his since before we drafted him, and if you care to look through the archives, you'll see how excited I was when we traded up for him. I think he's a special talent, and he can have a special career. But I generally avoid comparing third year players with guys who dominated the league for over a decade. I don't compare Andrew Luck to John Elway, even though they have similar characteristics, and I expect Luck to have a special career as well.

 

Hilton may very well be just as good as Marvin Harrison was, might have a better overall career, statistically speaking (which would be one heck of an accomplishment). I just think it's way too soon to make any kind of declaration about it, one way or the other. All anyone is saying is "slow down, Marvin is an all time great, Hilton has played 40 games..." You are free to disagree. But you don't exactly invite civil discourse when you respond the way you have in this thread. In the post about separation, you actually make some excellent points, but up to that post, all you had done was stick out your tongue and make funny faces at anyone who disagreed with you. That's trolling. It's hard for me to understand why you're surprised at the less than flattering responses.

Frankly, nothing on here surprises me anymore - so there is that. My skin is finally nice and thick, just the way I like it.

 

I certainly don't mind the "wait and see folks" I am a wait and see guy too.

 

But while we are waiting and seeing can't we stop the:

 

"No way he will ever be as good as Marvin"

 

"He isn't now and never will be in the same class as Marvin".

 

"Marvin is the best route runner blah blah blah and I don''t care if his numbers are better - he doesn't have the intangibles of Marvin".

 

And on and on and on. I for one am rooting for him to break every record out there - just like i am when it comes to all the players.

 

I must say though, it is getting better, there are quite a few folks on here now who see how talented and consistent TY is becoming and how he might be able to surpass him. Must have been 10 out of 10 on here that bit my head off for even suggesting that TY could be as good. Things are definitely evolving a bit.

 

The point I was trying to make is that Marvin trained Reggie. Reggie is very open about it. Reggie trained TY and continues to do so. TY watches tons of film on Marvin - studies him like any good understudy would.  Why would it be so unusual for the student to surpass the teacher? Seems pretty natural to me, happens every day.

[Jhaze55]

Frankly, nothing on here surprises me anymore - so there is that. My skin is finally nice and thick, just the way I like it.

 

I certainly don't mind the "wait and see folks" I am a wait and see guy too.

 

But while we are waiting and seeing can't we stop the:

 

"No way he will ever be as good as Marvin"

 

"He isn't now and never will be in the same class as Marvin".

 

"Marvin is the best route runner blah blah blah and I don''t care if his numbers are better - he doesn't have the intangibles of Marvin".

 

And on and on and on. I for one am rooting for him to break every record out there - just like i am when it comes to all the players.

 

I must say though, it is getting better, there are quite a few folks on here now who see how talented and consistent TY is becoming and how he might be able to surpass him. Must have been 10 out of 10 on here that bit my head off for even suggesting that TY could be as good. Things are definitely evolving a bit.

 

The point I was trying to make is that Marvin trained Reggie. Reggie is very open about it. Reggie trained TY and continues to do so. TY watches tons of film on Marvin - studies him like any good understudy would.  Why would it be so unusual for the student to surpass the teacher? Seems pretty natural to me, happens every day.

Nobody has said that. TY isnt there YET. You're just taking the pity me route when you so obviously tried to troll.

 

And no, we were angry because you just dismissed every argument thrown at you like a child.

[LordHelpOurColts]

TY is basically in the same position Marvin was in. All Andrew has to do is keep chucking him the ball.

[SteelCityColt]

Frankly, nothing on here surprises me anymore - so there is that. My skin is finally nice and thick, just the way I like it.

 

I certainly don't mind the "wait and see folks" I am a wait and see guy too.

 

But while we are waiting and seeing can't we stop the:

 

"No way he will ever be as good as Marvin"

 

"He isn't now and never will be in the same class as Marvin".

 

"Marvin is the best route runner blah blah blah and I don''t care if his numbers are better - he doesn't have the intangibles of Marvin".

 

I'm not sure why you're using quotation marks for things that just plain haven't been said in this topic.

I suppose it's hard to read the responses of others from up there on your soap box.

[ColtsHappy]

I'm not sure why you're using quotation marks for things that just plain haven't been said in this topic.

I suppose it's hard to read the responses of others from up there on your soap box.

Hey Mr. Moderator

 

I have a suggestion. How about commenting on the topic at hand instead of attacking the poster?

 

I have my issues, but other than  - my criticism this morning, which got me a warning (see the rhyme and what I did there)

 

i haven't personally attacked anyone.

[Superman]

Hey Mr. Moderator

 

I have a suggestion. How about commenting on the topic at hand instead of attacking the poster?

 

I have my issues, but other than  - my criticism this morning, which got me a warning (see the rhyme and what I did there)

 

i haven't personally attacked anyone.

 

SCC didn't attack you. And no one but the moderators know about your warning, until you start talking about it. We try not to moderate publicly, and we would appreciate it if posters abide by the rules and refrain from commenting publicly about moderation. 

 

And when you pull the "big bad moderator" card rather than responding on topic -- which is something you do pretty much any time a moderator comments on one of your posts -- it's just another form of trolling.

[SteelCityColt]

Hey Mr. Moderator

I have a suggestion. How about commenting on the topic at hand instead of attacking the poster?

I have my issues, but other than - my criticism this morning, which got me a warning (see the rhyme and what I did there)

i haven't personally attacked anyone.

It wasn't intended as a personal attack, just a comment on how I perceived your posting style on this topic. I.e. How you've chosen to present your argument/opinion to your audience.

[Superman]

Frankly, nothing on here surprises me anymore - so there is that. My skin is finally nice and thick, just the way I like it.

 

I certainly don't mind the "wait and see folks" I am a wait and see guy too.

 

But while we are waiting and seeing can't we stop the:

 

"No way he will ever be as good as Marvin"

 

"He isn't now and never will be in the same class as Marvin".

 

"Marvin is the best route runner blah blah blah and I don''t care if his numbers are better - he doesn't have the intangibles of Marvin".

 

And on and on and on. I for one am rooting for him to break every record out there - just like i am when it comes to all the players.

 

I must say though, it is getting better, there are quite a few folks on here now who see how talented and consistent TY is becoming and how he might be able to surpass him. Must have been 10 out of 10 on here that bit my head off for even suggesting that TY could be as good. Things are definitely evolving a bit.

 

The point I was trying to make is that Marvin trained Reggie. Reggie is very open about it. Reggie trained TY and continues to do so. TY watches tons of film on Marvin - studies him like any good understudy would.  Why would it be so unusual for the student to surpass the teacher? Seems pretty natural to me, happens every day.

 

Where's all this "he'll never be as good as Marvin"? All anyone is saying is that the comparison is premature. There's a lot of praise you can give a young receiver before you get to calling him as good as Marvin Harrison.

 

It's like I said already, you have been stating since the offseason that Hilton is already the equivalent of Marvin Harrison. ("We literally have two Marvins" was your comment.) That's a far cry from "he might be able to surpass him." 

[jvan1973]

Someone has a user name chocked full of irony

[ColtsHappy]

Excuse me while I giggle.....

[ColtsHappy]

It wasn't intended as a personal attack, just a comment on how I perceived your posting style on this topic. I.e. How you've chosen to present your argument/opinion to your audience.

Um, not sure how it was intended, can't answer for your mental processes.

 

Last I looked, we were talking about receivers, remember? 

 

 T.y. Versus The Marvelous Marvin harrison

 

At least I THOUGHT that was what we were talking about.

[colts_100nascar17fan]

T y is no marvin, not even close. Marvin ran perfect routes, rarely dropped a ball, and was way more reliable or consistent,made all the acrobatic catches. Kinda in a league of his own. No disrespect to hilton.

[ColtsHappy]

T y is no marvin, not even close. Marvin ran perfect routes, rarely dropped a ball, and was way more reliable or consistent,made all the acrobatic catches. Kinda in a league of his own. No disrespect to hilton.

Sigh....

 

OF COURSE it is disrespectful to Hilton. How could you NOT see that?

 

Thanks for illustrating my point.

[Dustin]

Sigh....

OF COURSE it is disrespectful to Hilton. How could you NOT see that?

Thanks for illustrating my point.

You sound ridiculous.

[Shane Bond]

5 years from now, i would like to revisit this thread.

[SteelCityColt]

5 years from now, i would like to revisit this thread.

You can't bash people for saying let's wait and see.

[ColtsHappy]

You sound ridiculous.

Thanks for commenting on the subject of the post. Way to go.

 

The "bashing" and personal attacks on this board - not just this thread - are out of control.

 

There is a big difference between a little good natured teasing and ribbing and the venom that spews forth at times from this board.

 

The other forums I belong to pretty strictly forbid it. You stick to discussing and commenting on the topic or you are gone. 

 

Would some kind soul point me toward the rules on here? It they are posted somewhere, I certainly don't see them?

[Dustin]

Thanks for commenting on the subject of the post. Way to go.

The "bashing" and personal attacks on this board - not just this thread - are out of control.

There is a big difference between a little good natured teasing and ribbing and the venom that spews forth at times from this board.

The other forums I belong to pretty strictly forbid it. You stick to discussing and commenting on the topic or you are gone.

Would some kind soul point me toward the rules on here? It they are posted somewhere, I certainly don't see them?

"Personal attacks" blah blah blah

[SteelCityColt]

Well I think this one has run it's course now and everyone has quite clearly stated their views on the matter, I can't see it going anywhere productive from here so that's all folks I'm afraid.