Colts are CLOSE to Contending...

[jshipp23]

There is a lot of doom and gloom out there, but I don't see it at all..I like our young talent..The defense can be fixed this offseason, and the offense is a big time RB away from being special...If we sign a Chandler Jones or Ingram and add another quality CB, and true nose tackle in free agency combined with a good defensive draft our D can be top 10...I like our safetys and D-line rotation...In the draft we need a big time rb in round 1 or 2..Focus rest of the draft on D, get a top line ILB who can cover and stop run to combine with Ejax and Morrison and a few young high ceiling OLB's we are gonna be tough to deal with...I wish we could get an elite Harbaugh or Gruden type coach, but if not, I still think we will be good even with Pagano..Of course injuries could always be the x-factor...

[Yoshinator]

8 minutes ago, jshipp23 said:

There is a lot of doom and gloom out there, but I don't see it at all..I like our young talent..The defense can be fixed this offseason, and the offense is a big time RB away from being special...If we sign a Chandler Jones or Ingram and add another quality CB, and true nose tackle in free agency combined with a good defensive draft our D can be top 10...I like our safetys and D-line rotation...In the draft we need a big time rb in round 1 or 2..Focus rest of the draft on D, get a top line ILB who can cover and stop run to combine with Ejax and Morrison and a few young high ceiling OLB's we are gonna be tough to deal with...I wish we could get an elite Harbaugh or Gruden type coach, but if not, I still think we will be good even with Pagano..Of course injuries could always be the x-factor...

We have some good young talent from the last couple drafts on defense. It's a start for sure. They all need to take the next step though, which hasn't happened under Pagano for the defense yet. We also need a true pass rusher or two besides Walden, a run stuffing NT, and a true #1 CB as Vontae isn't that anymore. I wish we would trade down in the draft this year and end up with two 2nds and three 3rds to build a defense from those borderline top guys. Grigson seems to hit in rounds 2 and 3, and if we got 3 defensive starters out of 5 picks, we'd be in business.

[DougDew]

6 minutes ago, Jared Cisneros said:

We have some good young talent from the last couple drafts on defense. It's a start for sure. They all need to take the next step though, which hasn't happened under Pagano for the defense yet. We also need a true pass rusher or two besides Walden, a run stuffing NT, and a true #1 CB as Vontae isn't that anymore. I wish we would trade down in the draft this year and end up with two 2nds and three 3rds to build a defense from those borderline top guys. Grigson seems to hit in rounds 2 and 3, and if we got 3 defensive starters out of 5 picks, we'd be in business.

No way would I trade out of the mid first round if a talented OLB or CB is sitting there.  Ryan Kelly shows the value of having a pick high enough to get starting talent, something that doesn't happen when you're drafting around 25 and higher every year.  

 

Trading down in the second for more mid round picks is certainly doable, IMO

[Yoshinator]

Just now, DougDew said:

No way would I trade out of the mid first round if a talented OLB or CB is sitting there.  Ryan Kelly shows the value of having a pick high enough to get starting talent, something that doesn't happen when you're drafting around 25 and higher every year.  

 

Trading down in the second for more mid round picks is certainly doable, IMO

If Marlon Humphrey is there, I take him every time, depending on the offer to trade down though, you have to consider it. I don't think the OLBs will be there. Williams may fall, Garrett won't be there, and guys like Haynes, Reddick, McKinley and Anderson are round 2 guys, which is why I want to trade down and take 2 of them. 

[jshipp23]

Just now, Jared Cisneros said:

We have some good young talent from the last couple drafts on defense. It's a start for sure. They all need to take the next step though, which hasn't happened under Pagano for the defense yet. We also need a true pass rusher or two besides Walden, a run stuffing NT, and a true #1 CB as Vontae isn't that anymore. I wish we would trade down in the draft this year and end up with two 2nds and three 3rds to build a defense from those borderline top guys. Grigson seems to hit in rounds 2 and 3, and if we got 3 defensive starters out of 5 picks, we'd be in business.

I'd resign Walden, and keep Ayers and Maggit, and maybe Mathis for depth...In the first 3 rounds come away with Cunningham, Gallman, Allen we are looking good..I would love to find a way to get another 2nd round pick..Maybe Allen and a 4th could get it done for a TE needy team , or next years 1st and a 4th...If we could get 2 of Allen, McKinley,  Watt , Kpassagnon, Harris combined with Cunningham and Gallman we are gonna wreak havoc if not next year, year 2 for sure...We have the money to get 2 top line difference making free agents and sign our guys..If we get a couple out of Poe, Jones, Bouye, Haden, Ingram, Collins depending on needs we will be very scary. .I like our Oline and they'll only get better..Next years draft will be basically luxury picks across the board if we play this offseason right..Btw Davis is only 29 and is still a shutdown CB, he played hurt all year..

[DougDew]

5 minutes ago, Jared Cisneros said:

If Marlon Humphrey is there, I take him every time, depending on the offer to trade down though, you have to consider it. I don't think the OLBs will be there. Williams may fall, Garrett won't be there, and guys like Haynes, Reddick, McKinley and Anderson are round 2 guys, which is why I want to trade down and take 2 of them. 

Sure, you have to look at the talent available at the time.  I agree, there appears to be more legitimate CBs for round 1 than OLBs.  I could see trading down from say 15 to 18 and still finding a great CB.  But that type of trade only happens when you see how the draft is shaping up day one and can be risky.

 

I think this year the value of CB is in round 1 and OLB in round 2.

[jshipp23]

8 minutes ago, Jared Cisneros said:

If Marlon Humphrey is there, I take him every time, depending on the offer to trade down though, you have to consider it. I don't think the OLBs will be there. Williams may fall, Garrett won't be there, and guys like Haynes, Reddick, McKinley and Anderson are round 2 guys, which is why I want to trade down and take 2 of them. 

Alabama cbs never turn out..King and Tarkingsly I would like though. .Rather get a CB in free agency..Too many OLB's in this draft..If there was ever a year to steal a couple it's this year...2 potential all pro ILB's in this draft in Cunningham and Foster, and they are a rare beast as well, we should be able to get 1...

[jshipp23]

7 minutes ago, DougDew said:

Sure, you have to look at the talent available at the time.  I agree, there appears to be more legitimate CBs for round 1 than OLBs.  I could see trading down from say 15 to 18 and still finding a great CB.  But that type of trade only happens when you see how the draft is shaping up day one and can be risky.

 

I think this year the value of CB is in round 1 and OLB in round 2.

Where we are picking value is in ILB or CB unless we go Allen..

[weslo1812]

36 minutes ago, jshipp23 said:

There is a lot of doom and gloom out there, but I don't see it at all..I like our young talent..The defense can be fixed this offseason, and the offense is a big time RB away from being special...If we sign a Chandler Jones or Ingram and add another quality CB, and true nose tackle in free agency combined with a good defensive draft our D can be top 10...I like our safetys and D-line rotation...In the draft we need a big time rb in round 1 or 2..Focus rest of the draft on D, get a top line ILB who can cover and stop run to combine with Ejax and Morrison and a few young high ceiling OLB's we are gonna be tough to deal with...I wish we could get an elite Harbaugh or Gruden type coach, but if not, I still think we will be good even with Pagano..Of course injuries could always be the x-factor...

I agree with ya!!! And I think health and a new head coach alone would make a big difference alone for us. First we need a coach that can really statagize, gameplan effectively and have our team prepared and focused week in and week out. Also the amount of injuries we've been having to deal with is rediculous and it's definitely had an effect on this season. Then I just read an article saying the Colts had 44 rookies take starting snaps this year which was 5th most in the leauge, could be a reason for some struggles on D too. If ya got alot of rookies, there's more chance for alot of mistakes. But we've gotta get 2-3 big time playmakers on this D to get anywhere near "great" level in my opinion. We need one on the DL, one at the LB spot and one on the back end. And as you've said a NT, we've got get an upgrade there, someone who can be a plug in the middle, eat up blocks and keep our ILBers free to make plays. If we come into next season with Parry as our starting Nose, we are gonna be weak up the middle in run D once again. I'd love to see us get a guy like Poe who is still young but already expirienced. I'm REALLY hoping for a HEAVY Defense draft with some big time picks.

[Gyworks]

Don't count me as a believer. Each year we were filled with hope for the project players Grigson found under the stones he turned but then we were left wondering how other teams didn't pick them up like Adongo, Carter among others. 

Just look at our current starting ILBs, what are the chances they'll start another NFL game after week17?

[krunk]

Fix that defense and we will go places.  I don't think we are that far off.

[DougDew]

8 minutes ago, jshipp23 said:

Where we are picking value is in ILB or CB unless we go Allen..

I guess I believe in positional value.  I don't think ILB typically warrants a round 1 pick since their position really doesn't prevent a big play from occurring.  A CB stops a big TD pass where as a ILB isn't asked to cover a TE man to man.  Stopping a TE from getting a first down is important, but in theory, the defense will still have time to make enough plays to stop the O.  OTOH, a CB can get burned once and that ends the drive.

 

In my mind, that first round ILB is going to have to be a significantly better player than the CB who is sitting there just because of the impactfulness of the two positions.  That CB has to be worthy of the pick, however, it can't just be a reach for a need.

[jshipp23]

1 minute ago, Gyworks said:

Don't count me as a believer. Each year we were filled with hope for the project players Grigson found under the stones he turned but then we were left wondering how other teams didn't pick them up like Adongo, Carter among others. 

Just look at our current starting ILBs, what are the chances they'll start another NFL game after week17?

I think Edwin Jackson has tons of talent, I give Grifson credit for finding him..Morrison is gonna be a great runstop specialist, not bad for a 4th round pick and he's as nasty as they come, every team needs a couple Morrisons.. .

[Yoshinator]

2 minutes ago, jshipp23 said:

I think Edwin Jackson has tons of talent, I give Grifson credit for finding him..Morrison is gonna be a great runstop specialist, not bad for a 4th round pick and he's as nasty as they come, every team needs a couple Morrisons.. .

Most people hated Morrison when we drafted him. A friend of mine who is draft savvy had him as a late 2nd rounder. I knew he had potential. Didn't show it right away, but he's come along throughout the season.

[jshipp23]

2 minutes ago, DougDew said:

I guess I believe in positional value.  I don't think ILB typically warrants a round 1 pick since their position really doesn't prevent a big play from occurring.  A CB stops a big TD pass where as a ILB isn't asked to cover a TE man to man.  Stopping a TE from getting a first down is important, but in theory, the defense will still have time to make enough plays to stop the O.  OTOH, a CB can get burned once and that ends the drive.

 

In my mind, that first round ILB is going to have to be a significantly better player than the CB who is sitting there just because of the impactfulness of the two positions.  That CB has to be worthy of the pick, however, it can't just be a reach for a need.

2 of them are, Kuechley type potential ILB's..Usually you are right, but Foster and Cunningham are rare unicorns..Don't underestimate a ray lewis type LB to lead the defense..Cunningham and Foster are both nasty...

[Defjamz26]

Idk about close. I'm no particular order the Colts need:

 

-A true run stuffing NT

-2 OLBs

-2 ILBs (preferably athletic ones who can cover)

-A #2 CB

-A game wrecking 3-4 DE to play opposite Anderson

-A real franchise RB

-A RG

-A true coverage FS

-A RT

 

Now there are some young guys on the roster who maybe could fill some of those needs like Haeg and Clark at RG and RT but other positions I wouldn't hang my hat on what we have in house like at ILB. Plus we need a new HC. Probably GM too.

[jshipp23]

If Peppers is there we will have a major dilemma cause you have to take him, he is a top 3 player..We would have to convert him or Geathers to ILB which is good problem to have..He may fall because of his tweener status, but he is a heck of a football player I've watched him a lot..

[jshipp23]

5 minutes ago, Defjamz26 said:

Idk about close. I'm no particular order the Colts need:

 

-A true run stuffing NT

-2 OLBs

-2 ILBs (preferably athletic ones who can cover)

-A #2 CB

-A game wrecking 3-4 DE to play opposite Anderson

-A real franchise RB

-A RG

-A true coverage FS

-A RT

 

Now there are some young guys on the roster who maybe could fill some of those needs like Haeg and Clark at RG and RT but other positions I wouldn't hang my hat on what we have in house like at ILB. Plus we need a new HC. Probably GM too.

We stole Haeg , Clark, and Goode previous year.I love our oline especially with Philbin coaching..We are young and have depth and will only get better..

[DougDew]

25 minutes ago, jshipp23 said:

2 of them are, Kuechley type potential ILB's..Usually you are right, but Foster and Cunningham are rare unicorns..Don't underestimate a ray lewis type LB to lead the defense..Cunningham and Foster are both nasty...

I like Foster.  I'd have to compare him to the top CBs.  I'm not sold on Cunningham as high as we're going to pick.

[jshipp23]

I'd trade Allen to get another 2nd or 3rd combined with 1 of our 2 4th rounders...Go into next year with Doyle and Swoope and draft Tyrone Swoopes in 6th or 7th..He he has Antonio Gates potential if we develop him like Swoope..

[jshipp23]

3 minutes ago, DougDew said:

I like Foster.  I'd have to compare him to the top CBs.  I'm not sold on Cunningham as high as we're going to pick.

Cunningham is raw but his sideline to sideline is unmatched..Thats where coaching and conditioning come into play..

[ztboiler]

27 minutes ago, DougDew said:

I guess I believe in positional value.  I don't think ILB typically warrants a round 1 pick since their position really doesn't prevent a big play from occurring.  A CB stops a big TD pass where as a ILB isn't asked to cover a TE man to man.  Stopping a TE from getting a first down is important, but in theory, the defense will still have time to make enough plays to stop the O.  OTOH, a CB can get burned once and that ends the drive.

 

In my mind, that first round ILB is going to have to be a significantly better player than the CB who is sitting there just because of the impactfulness of the two positions.  That CB has to be worthy of the pick, however, it can't just be a reach for a need.

I'd agree that other positions generally merit 1st round picks above ILB....so does the whole league....but we all saw the value of that position rise amidst the dysfunction of those 2 spots this year.  We lost games because of our ILB play this year.

 

If you can use one on a center you can certainly use one on an ILB.

[Jason_]

1 minute ago, ztboiler said:

I'd agree that other positions generally merit 1st round picks above ILB....so does the whole league....but we all saw the value of that position rise amidst the dysfunction of those 2 spots this year.  We lost games because of our ILB play this year.

 

If you can use one on a center you can certainly use one on an ILB.

 

agreed.  IMO the only reason more ILBs are selected in round 1 is simply because it's rare for a pro-ready ILB to be in the draft, but when they're there (Kuechly, Patrick Willis, Ray Lewis, CJ Mosely etc) then they're definitely worth a 1st.  I never agreed with the devaluation of the MLB position anyway.

[NewColtsFan]

 

Contending for WHAT?

 

Winning the AFC South?     Sure.     No question.

 

Winning the AFC?                No.

 

Winning the Super Bowl?        Oh, Hell no!

 

As for liking our "young talent".....     they're all nice player.      Nice complimentary players.     But not one of them is a major building block.      Not one of them is a difference maker.     At least,  not yet.       Maybe someday,   but not many of them.     

 

We now have to go out and focus on building a defense.     Acquiring difference makers,  play makers who can impact a game.      We don't have those.       We don't get many sacks,  or force many fumbles or intercept many passes.       Those are just facts.

 

We'll need a few years of good drafting and smart free agent signings to contend.

 

We'll still be a fun, interesting team to watch....    but it's going to take time and patience.

 

 

[Solon]

3 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:

 

Contending for WHAT?

 

Winning the AFC South?     Sure.     No question.

 

Winning the AFC?                No.

 

Winning the Super Bowl?        Oh, Hell no!

 

As for liking our "young talent".....     they're all nice player.      Nice complimentary players.     But not one of them is a major building block.      Not one of them is a difference maker.     At least,  not yet.       Maybe someday,   but not many of them.     

 

We now have to go out and focus on building a defense.     Acquiring difference makers,  play makers who can impact a game.      We don't have those.       We don't get many sacks,  or force many fumbles or intercept many passes.       Those are just facts.

 

We'll need a few years of good drafting and smart free agent signings to contend.

 

We'll still be a fun, interesting team to watch....    but it's going to take time and patience.

 

 

Wrong quoting user, my bad.

[Solon]

28 minutes ago, Defjamz26 said:

Idk about close. I'm no particular order the Colts need:

 

-A true run stuffing NT

-2 OLBs

-2 ILBs (preferably athletic ones who can cover)

-A #2 CB

-A game wrecking 3-4 DE to play opposite Anderson

-A real franchise RB

-A RG

-A true coverage FS

-A RT

 

Now there are some young guys on the roster who maybe could fill some of those needs like Haeg and Clark at RG and RT but other positions I wouldn't hang my hat on what we have in house like at ILB. Plus we need a new HC. Probably GM too.

We don't need a Seahawk defense to win a SB. We just need a competent one.

[jshipp23]

1 minute ago, NewColtsFan said:

 

Contending for WHAT?

 

Winning the AFC South?     Sure.     No question.

 

Winning the AFC?                No.

 

Winning the Super Bowl?        Oh, Hell no!

 

As for liking our "young talent".....     they're all nice player.      Nice complimentary players.     But not one of them is a major building block.      Not one of them is a difference maker.     At least,  not yet.       Maybe someday,   but not many of them.     

 

We now have to go out and focus on building a defense.     Acquiring difference makers,  play makers who can impact a game.      We don't have those.       We don't get many sacks,  or force many fumbles or intercept many passes.       Those are just facts.

 

We'll need a few years of good drafting and smart free agent signings to contend.

 

We'll still be a fun, interesting team to watch....    but it's going to take time and patience.

 

 

You are too cautious NCF, its all a risk and reward situation..If we play our cards right we can contend for a Super Bowl no question...Our odds would improve greatly with a better HC , but we can still win regardless..We will have 60-70 million for free agency overpay for quality pro bowl potential difference makers and hit on the draft we a right there...I like our situation..

[jshipp23]

7 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:

 

Contending for WHAT?

 

Winning the AFC South?     Sure.     No question.

 

Winning the AFC?                No.

 

Winning the Super Bowl?        Oh, Hell no!

 

As for liking our "young talent".....     they're all nice player.      Nice complimentary players.     But not one of them is a major building block.      Not one of them is a difference maker.     At least,  not yet.       Maybe someday,   but not many of them.     

 

We now have to go out and focus on building a defense.     Acquiring difference makers,  play makers who can impact a game.      We don't have those.       We don't get many sacks,  or force many fumbles or intercept many passes.       Those are just facts.

 

We'll need a few years of good drafting and smart free agent signings to contend.

 

We'll still be a fun, interesting team to watch....    but it's going to take time and patience.

 

 

"The law of attraction", just believe man...

[NewColtsFan]

3 minutes ago, jshipp23 said:

You are too cautious NCF, its all a risk and reward situation..If we play our cards right we can contend for a Super Bowl no question...Our odds would improve greatly with a better HC , but we can still win regardless..We will have 60-70 million for free agency overpay for quality pro bowl potential difference makers and hit on the draft we a right there...I like our situation..

 

The problem is this.....

 

While we may have a lot of Free Agent money,   other teams have more.     A lot more.

 

Two teams are speculated to have somewhere around 100 Mill and one or two others may have more than us as well.       We could get out-bid on a number of guys.          And it's hard to build a long-term winner spending big money in free agency.     Most teams fail.     Most players do not earn their money.     They don't play as hard now that they've signed their huge contract with their giant bonus.     It's in the bank for them.    They don't play lights out.     That's what typically happens.

 

We'll see what the front office does this March.....     but first, we'll see who is in the front office this January...

 

[ztboiler]

17 minutes ago, Jason_S said:

 

agreed.  IMO the only reason more ILBs are selected in round 1 is simply because it's rare for a pro-ready ILB to be in the draft, but when they're there (Kuechly, Patrick Willis, Ray Lewis, CJ Mosely etc) then they're definitely worth a 1st.  I never agreed with the devaluation of the MLB position anyway.

Great point.  It's rare to find an ILB that isn't a liability in one facet or another, but if you find one, they are as much of a difference maker as any.position other than QB.

[jshipp23]

4 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:

 

The problem is this.....

 

While we may have a lot of Free Agent money,   other teams have more.     A lot more.

 

Two teams are speculated to have somewhere around 100 Mill and one or two others may have more than us as well.       We could get out-bid on a number of guys.          And it's hard to build a long-term winner spending big money in free agency.     Most teams fail.     Most players do not earn their money.     They don't play as hard now that they've signed their huge contract with their giant bonus.     It's in the bank for them.    They don't play lights out.     That's what typically happens.

 

We'll see what the front office does this March.....     but first, we'll see who is in the front office this January...

 

I'd rather over pay for 2 proven guys who are still relatively young than sign 6 guys who have diamond in the rough potential..Grab Poe, Bouye, or Collins and draft accordingly..Hell even Berry if he isn't franchised. .

[tfunky14]

Holy cow...a positive thread...

[jshipp23]

8 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:

 

The problem is this.....

 

While we may have a lot of Free Agent money,   other teams have more.     A lot more.

 

Two teams are speculated to have somewhere around 100 Mill and one or two others may have more than us as well.       We could get out-bid on a number of guys.          And it's hard to build a long-term winner spending big money in free agency.     Most teams fail.     Most players do not earn their money.     They don't play as hard now that they've signed their huge contract with their giant bonus.     It's in the bank for them.    They don't play lights out.     That's what typically happens.

 

We'll see what the front office does this March.....     but first, we'll see who is in the front office this January...

 

Unlike in the NBA in the NFL much isn't guaranteed. .Why you get the character guys who love and live for it..They are out there..

[Reboot]

3 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:

 

The problem is this.....

 

While we may have a lot of Free Agent money,   other teams have more.     A lot more.

 

Two teams are speculated to have somewhere around 100 Mill and one or two others may have more than us as well.       We could get out-bid on a number of guys.          And it's hard to build a long-term winner spending big money in free agency.     Most teams fail.     Most players do not earn their money.     They don't play as hard now that they've signed their huge contract with their giant bonus.     It's in the bank for them.    They don't play lights out.     That's what typically happens.

 

We'll see what the front office does this March.....     but first, we'll see who is in the front office this January...

 

Colts rank 10th right now in space for 2017 according to Spotrac. 

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cap/2017/

 

I think free agency has to be used as a vacancy filler, while the draft should always be board driven, regardless of need.  If the Colts could land a DeCastro or Zeitler at  guard, or Melvin Ingram or Stephon Gilmore, I'd gladly spend the free agent money.

 

[NewColtsFan]

15 minutes ago, jshipp23 said:

I'd rather over pay for 2 proven guys who are still relatively young than sign 6 guys who have diamond in the rough potential..Grab Poe, Bouye, or Collins and draft accordingly..Hell even Berry if he isn't franchised. .

 

I'd be fine with that too....

 

Except, as I noted,  other franchises have so much more than we do,   then we're going to get beat on the top-end players.      We'll make our best offer,  and the other teams will drop a few more million on top of our offer and we'll lose.        Sucks for us.      But that's what happens in a Salary Cap world.

 

[Defjamz26]

29 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:

 

Contending for WHAT?

 

Winning the AFC South?     Sure.     No question.

 

Winning the AFC?                No.

 

Winning the Super Bowl?        Oh, Hell no!

 

As for liking our "young talent".....     they're all nice player.      Nice complimentary players.     But not one of them is a major building block.      Not one of them is a difference maker.     At least,  not yet.       Maybe someday,   but not many of them.     

 

We now have to go out and focus on building a defense.     Acquiring difference makers,  play makers who can impact a game.      We don't have those.       We don't get many sacks,  or force many fumbles or intercept many passes.       Those are just facts.

 

We'll need a few years of good drafting and smart free agent signings to contend.

 

We'll still be a fun, interesting team to watch....    but it's going to take time and patience.

 

 

You hit the nail on the head there with those statements. That's similar to what I was saying in my post. None of the Young's guy scout people are praising really show franchise level talent. 

 

Like at ILB. People talk about Edwin Jackson as if he's a star in the making. He's a nice depth guy to have but that's about it. I wouldn't not look at guys like Reuben Foster, Raekwon McMillian, etc... because "Oh we got Edwin Jackson". As you said we need playmakers, guys who can make game changing plays. Specifically on defense. Geathers has flashed that ability but that's it.

 

And you can't get all of those type of players in one draft or FA signing. It takes time. Thats why the Colts are still awhile away.

[NewColtsFan]

13 minutes ago, Dirty Mudflaps said:

Colts rank 10th right now in space for 2017 according to Spotrac. 

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cap/2017/

 

I think free agency has to be used as a vacancy filler, while the draft should always be board driven, regardless of need.  If the Colts could land a DeCastro or Zeitler at  guard, or Melvin Ingram or Stephon Gilmore, I'd gladly spend the free agent money.

 

 

Nice post.     And welcome to the board.     Hope you'll enjoy it.     

 

And those players are very nice ad I'd love to have them.      I'm just concerned we're going to get out-bid.

 

A lot.

 

Other teams don't just have a little bit more,  some are going to have a LOT more money that we have.

 

And I think we'll get out-bid for the best players.

 

[jshipp23]

1 minute ago, NewColtsFan said:

 

I'd be fine with that too....

 

Except, as I noted,  other franchises have so much more than we do,   then we're going to get beat on the top-end players.      We'll make our best offer,  and the other teams will drop a few more million on top of our offer and we'll lose.        Sucks for us.      But that's what happens in a Salary Cap world.

 

Then we make the best offer..I think Grigson is learning..

[NewColtsFan]

1 minute ago, jshipp23 said:

Then we make the best offer..I think Grigson is learning..

 

Hmmmm?                   

 

It appears you have trouble understanding the concept of a "salary cap."

 

You can't make the best offer if other teams have far more money than you do.

 

It really is that simple and is not a hard concept to learn.     Ryan Grigson already knows this.

[jshipp23]

5 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:

 

I'd be fine with that too....

 

Except, as I noted,  other franchises have so much more than we do,   then we're going to get beat on the top-end players.      We'll make our best offer,  and the other teams will drop a few more million on top of our offer and we'll lose.        Sucks for us.      But that's what happens in a Salary Cap world.

 

Grigson tried to be Billy Beane to his detriment..Time to channel his inner Brian Cashman just saying..