Johnny Bust?

[OffensivelyPC]

I personally think he will be a bust, or at least not very good given where he was drafted.  But that's the story for many a first round QB.  That being said, I am still going to stay open minded about it and wait a couple years to at least give him teh chance to prove me wrong.

[TAPLOOK]

I don't believe Cleveland's coaches don't see JM's short comings. This bust is on the ownership for insisting on drafting and playing him. JM doesn't even see his first read. Reads and progressions are a natural thing that can't be taught. You can improve on them with practice if you're already blessed with the skill but you can't acquire them. 

[BpG]

 Reads and progressions are a natural thing that can't be taught. You can improve on them with practice if you're already blessed with the skill but you can't acquire them. 

 

 

lol, wow, you couldn't be more off. Size can't be taught, Speed can't be taught, instincts can't be taught.....but reading a defense can't be taught? Really?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If we learned anything last week it was that, yes Brian Hoyer was playing terrible, but I've never seen an offense get so out of sync by ADDING an all pro receiver. Every since Josh Gordon came back this offense has gotten worse and worse. 

 

 

Hoyer and Manziel haven't looked good but there is a ton of blame to go around. 

[TAPLOOK]

lol, wow, you couldn't be more off. Size can't be taught, Speed can't be taught, instincts can't be taught.....but reading a defense can't be taught? Really?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If we learned anything last week it was that, yes Brian Hoyer was playing terrible, but I've never seen an offense get so out of sync by ADDING an all pro receiver. Every since Josh Gordon came back this offense has gotten worse and worse. 

 

 

Hoyer and Manziel haven't looked good but there is a ton of blame to go around. 

If you can't even find your 1st read you are hopeless as a QB on the NFL level. You don't learn it at this point. You can get better at it but you can't learn it. 

[ReMeDy]

Reads and progressions are a natural thing that can't be taught. You can improve on them with practice if you're already blessed with the skill but you can't acquire them. 

 

Generally, physical traits can't be taught because part of it is genetics. Take Jadeveon Clowney, for instance. I don't care how hard or long you lift weights, 99% of the population isn't going to have that perfect combination of size, strength, and speed.

Mental attributes, however, are often teachable. It's no coincidence certain countries have a large portion of its citizens who excel academically over other countries, such as India and Japan. It's about parenting/coaching and your cultural surroundings. Take Andrew Luck, for instance. His father was a QB, as was Peyton and Eli's. Andrew also studied under Jim Harbaugh, arguably a very talented QB coach. Andrew Luck also went to Stanford -- a very prestigious school -- graduating with a bachelor's in architectural design. All these experiences have given Andrew Luck the mental capabilities to succeed in the NFL. You have to wonder where Tom Brady would be today if he didn't have Bill Belichick as his head coach!

Johnny can be successful, but he will need a good QB coach. As I recall, Manning was fairly awful in his rookie year too.

 

[TAPLOOK]

Generally, physical traits can't be taught because part of it is genetics. Take Jadeveon Clowney, for instance. I don't care how hard or long you lift weights, 99% of the population isn't going to have that perfect combination of size, strength, and speed.

Mental attributes, however, are often teachable. It's no coincidence certain countries have a large portion of its citizens who excel academically over other countries, such as India and Japan. It's about parenting/coaching and your cultural surroundings. Take Andrew Luck, for instance. His father was a QB, as was Peyton and Eli's. Andrew also studied under Jim Harbaugh, arguably a very talented QB coach. Andrew Luck also went to Stanford -- a very prestigious school -- graduating with a bachelor's in architectural design. All these experiences have given Andrew Luck the mental capabilities to succeed in the NFL. You have to wonder where Tom Brady would be today if he didn't have Bill Belichick as his head coach!

Johnny can be successful, but he will need a good QB coach. As I recall, Manning was fairly awful in his rookie year too.

 

He doesn't have the sixth sense so to speak. He can study all he likes and it's not going to help. His college game doesn't translate to the NFL. Time will tell.

 

Luck could be the smartest guy in the world and still not be able to play QB in the NFL but he has a natural skill/ability/awareness that you have or you don't period. There has been hundreds of smart physically talented guys that have failed as NFL QB's.

 

 

Brady would still be an all-time great without Belichick. He was going to get on the field at some point no matter were he ended up playing. He's always been very resourceful and would have found a way same as he did in college as well as the the NFL. Brady was successful before he played for Belichick and it's pretty surprising that he wasn't drafted sooner. Kudos to Belichick. He's a very good GM and coach. 

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College career

Brady played college football for, and graduated from, the University of Michigan.^[16][17] He was a backup quarterback for his first two years, while teammate and future NFL quarterback Brian Griese led the 1997 Wolverines to an undefeated season capped by a victory in the Rose Bowl and a share of the national championship. When he enrolled at Michigan, Brady was seventh on the depth chart and had an intense struggle to get some playing time. At one point, Brady hired a sports psychologist to help him cope with frustration and anxiety and even considered transferring to California.^[18][19] Brady battled for the starting job withDrew Henson,^[17] ultimately starting every game in the 1998 and 1999 seasons under Michigan head coach Lloyd Carr. During his first full year as starter, he set Michigan records for most pass attempts and completions in a season (214).^[20] Brady was All-Big Ten honorable mention both seasons and team captain his senior year. The Wolverines won 20 of 25 games when he started, and he set a school record for completions in a 31-16 loss against Ohio State in 1998, a season in which Michigan shared the Big Ten Conference title. Brady capped that season with a win over Arkansas in the Citrus Bowl.^[21] In the 1999 season, Brady had to once again hold off Henson for the starting job. The two platooned over the season's first seven games, with Brady playing the first quarter, Henson the second and Carr then deciding upon a quarterback for the second half. The 1999 Michigan Wolverines started off 5-0, including a 26-22 win over Notre Dame and a road win against eventual powerhouse Wisconsin. Against Michigan State, Brady was not chosen to play the second half but was reinserted into the game with Michigan down 17; he nearly led Michigan all the way back before losing 34-31. After a 300-yard passing game the following week, Carr went exclusively with Brady for the remainder of the season. Brady went on to lead Michigan to multiple 4th-quarter comebacks, including a remarkable 31-27 win against Penn State, and leading them out of a close game against Indiana, 34-31, heading into the regular season's final game, winners of three straight, earning him the moniker of "Comeback Kid". Brady concluded the regular season against Michigan's oldest rival, the Ohio State, in a dramatic game, with a trip to the Orange Bowl on the line. With five minutes left, tied 17-17, Brady led Michigan to the winning score. He then led Michigan to an overtime win in the Orange Bowl over Alabama, throwing for 369 yards, four touchdowns, leading the team back from a pair of 14-point deficits in regulation (14-0 in the first half, and 28-14 in the second). He threw the game-winning score on a bootleg to tight end Shawn Thompson. Michigan then won when Alabama missed an extra point following its own touchdown.

[TH3RA1NM4N]

Manziel a rookie QB coming in against a team looking to clinch their division and try to win a playoff game. any QB would have struggled with that O Line or lack there of. Cinci had various D Lineman getting in the backfield untouched as the ball was being snapped. WR's were unresponsive to Manziel's improv out of the pocket. and thats just the CLE offense, which was barely on the field. to judge Johnny Foosball on that game , you would have to judge the whole CLE team then as well.

[ColtStronger]

And the trade for Trent was terrible lol that's the pick they got and had to trade up!  Too early to tell, but he will be a bust just like RG3