Interesting Read On Peyton's Spinal Fusion

[hoosiercoltsfan82]

I agreed with you up until the last bit. Why would he lose 2 years? I've been going around in circles with people about this for some time. If the problem was fixed and the nerve comes back, then shouldn't he still be able to play until 40/41? (Personally I've been saying 42 - Peyton is not your normal QB). What exactly do you think the injury/surgery did that is going to necessitate the compromise of which you speak. Yes, he is one hit away from his career being over - but so is every other player in the sport. This is why I don't understand all the people saying "the timing of Luck being available is perfect, after all Peyton is only going to play another year or two".

Why is that?

Because most of the time when an athlete has major surgery to repair an injury, that athlete does not end up playing the length of time he/she could have if such an injury never existed. Just my opinion.

[hoosiercoltsfan82]

I am repeating the above as all simply talk about the fusion and that has little to do with Peytons ability to throw

Referring to your earlier post....is it possible that Peyton could experience 'more than a usual' amount of fatigue in his throwing arm for the remainder of his career?

[scorptile]

That's right. The other question is, how many games over the course of 2.8 years does the average player who hasn't had the surgery miss? IF you add that to the equation those stats don't look nearly as alarming.

in the case of bob sanders 4?? lol

[bayone]

Referring to your earlier post....is it possible that Peyton could experience 'more than a usual' amount of fatigue in his throwing arm for the remainder of his career?

all is possible, all depends on nerve innervation, if that nerve had no permanent damage, and innervates properly 100 % then muscle strength and stamina can be as before , all depends on degree of nerve innervation, the sensory impulses the nerve sends actually is food to the muscles and that allows the muscle to be rehabbed and regain strength

Just like our body eating food , if u lack proper diet u more easily get sick, gain weight ,, have greater risk of poor health etrc. , same with that muscle as the Nerve stimulus actually is a form of nerve nutrition.

If Peyton had EMG & nerve velocity / conduction studies when younger & healthy u would have something to compare to and be more objective, He can have those now and can be told if there is some sort of improper thing going on , and maybe somewhat the level if results are abnormal , but there is always leeway in whats considered a normal range. I am no expert on EMG & nerve studies , a Physiatrist, ( a rehab specialist ) conducts and interprets the test results and may be able to quantify things, I really am not sure. All I know is all 4 of my arms and basically all muscles save my left thumb have abnormal results.

If he is cleared to play their really is no way of knowing until he plays some games and we see if he deteriorates / fatigues over the game or over the course of the season towards the end of games.

Even of Peyton knows it, he wont announce it & colts wont . Its something that has to be observed by us to know

We need to run more and not just pass, a pass count may help preserve him. This is just theory

As far as my own experience ,. i have permanent nerve root & spinal cord issues and my right cervical nerve roots at a few levels R more effected than my left. , as a result though I am a rightly , u can just look at my right arm from my shoulder all the way down to & including the muscles within the hand and easily see a difference between the Right & left musculature girth where the right appears thin & weak in comparison

Its all wait & see

I wish i could give u a more definitive answer but hope my explanation was of some value

[John Dee]

This may have been posted before by somebody else, but I just read an interesting article concerning NFL athletes with spinal fusion procedures.

The following paragraph was especially interesting,

"Nearly 3 out of 4 (72 percent) of NFL players who were treated surgically for CDH returned to play and continued to play in an average of 29.3 games over a 2.8-year period after surgery. In contrast, less than half (46 percent) of those treated nonsurgically returned to play; those who did played an average of 14.7 games over a 1.5-year period before retiring."

http://www.aaos.org/...0/clinical2.asp

Here is what 29.3 games over a 2.8 year span breaks down to mathematically.

If a player were to play in all 16 regular season games over a 2.8 year span that would be 44.8 games total. However, a play who returns from a spinal fusion surgery plays 29.3 games over a 2.8 yr span. That is 15.5 games less over that 2.8 yr span. That breaks down to a little bit less than 10.5 games per year (10.46 to be exact) for the remaining of the athletes career.

I know these numbers are only averages. However, according to the AVERAGES, Peyton may be playing in about 10.5 games per season for the rest of his career. This further cements in my mind the importance of drafting his heir now. And chances are if we draft Luck he would not have to sit for 3 years, he would likely get reasonable playing time while Manning plays out his final 2-3 seasons.

The problem with nerve issues are that "if" person X just ignores the problem for too long. Permanent damage can and will eventually occur. The question is how long has Manning put up with this? 6 months is generally a "alarm" time that someone should get treatment on an issue. If it goes longer... nerve damage can become permanent.

Many variables in Peyton's recovery.

[bayone]

Referring to your earlier post....is it possible that Peyton could experience 'more than a usual' amount of fatigue in his throwing arm for the remainder of his career?

all is possible, all depends on nerve innervation, if that nerve had no permanent damage, and innervates properly 100 % then muscle strength and stamina can be as before , all depends on degree of nerve innervation, the sensory impulses the nerve sends actually is food to the muscles and that allows the muscle to be rehabbed and regain strength.

The human body has an incredible ability to regain all health if one is determined enough, does the right things and all parts are working properly etc It really comes down to that nerve innervation, If its excellent he can come back fully,

There are times that things arent 100 % and still one can come back and defy odds, we all are individuals in that respect so there is always hope even if not 100% that Peyton can be his old self, but will have to really work at it and and just what % is needed for him, well as said we all are individuals

Just like our body eating food , if u lack proper diet u more easily get sick, gain weight ,, have greater risk of poor health etrc. , same with that muscle as the Nerve stimulus actually is a form of nerve nutrition.

If Peyton had EMG & nerve velocity / conduction studies when younger & healthy u would have something to compare to and be more objective, He can have those now and can be told if there is some sort of improper thing going on , and maybe somewhat the level if results are abnormal , but there is always leeway in whats considered a normal range. I am no expert on EMG & nerve studies , a Physiatrist, ( a rehab specialist ) conducts and interprets the test results and may be able to quantify things, I really am not sure. All I know is all 4 of my arms and basically all muscles save my left thumb have abnormal results.

If he is cleared to play their really is no way of knowing until he plays some games and we see if he deteriorates / fatigues over the game or over the course of the season towards the end of games.

Even of Peyton knows it, he wont announce it & colts wont . Its something that has to be observed by us to know

We need to run more and not just pass, a pass count may help preserve him. This is just theory

As far as my own experience ,. i have permanent nerve root & spinal cord issues and my right cervical nerve roots at a few levels R more effected than my left. , as a result though I am a rightly , u can just look at my right arm from my shoulder all the way down to & including the muscles within the hand and easily see a difference between the Right & left musculature girth where the right appears thin & weak in comparison due to lack of said nerve nutrition

Its all wait & see

I wish i could give u a more definitive answer but hope my explanation was of some value

[bayone]

The problem with nerve issues are that "if" person X just ignores the problem for too long. Permanent damage can and will eventually occur. The question is how long has Manning put up with this? 6 months is generally a "alarm" time that someone should get treatment on an issue. If it goes longer... nerve damage can become permanent.

Many variables in Peyton's recovery.

Most definitely right, thats why earlier I said by trying the intial procedure during last offseason first and it not working, it allowed ongoing nerve irritation & just increased the odds of the nerve damage

as far as the time involved I dont remember what is considered excessive,

I can say back in 1988 when i was performing surgery and had my operation, it took an amazing 10.5 months to diagnose from symptom start at new years eve to actual diagnosis and having the procedure while gaining 95 pounds during that time span

Once diagnosed. I was told I should have been in a wheel chair yet was still doing surgery, as said THE HUMAN BODY is amazing and all are individuals

I was told I should be able to fully return to my previous abilities and get full health back, A post op infection was the cause of my downfall