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Colts cut NFL's all time greatest player (still unaceptable)

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I have been trying for over a year now to leave this alone and move on, but...................with all the hype and hoopla with Manning coming to town, it's all coming back out and everyone is giving their opinions.

I have made more posts than I care to count on this subject and have looked ( VERY ) deep into all the angles,etc

I have been a Colts fan since 1968, so I know the history and have lived it, I was pretty young when the Unitas' Colts dominated and there have been a few (brief) runs at success over the years, but for most of my adult life the Colts were an afterthought. That all changed with the addition of 2 men....Bill Polian and Peyton Manning. They didn't do it all by themselves, but they were the 2 most responsible for the record setting era. Manning will go down as one of the best players in NFL history, a legend, a player who took that team (afterthought) and led them to 2 super bowls, a world championship and an endless list of records, to a team that was considered the model-for excellance........ which led to a state of the art stadium, which led to a rebuilt and refurbished downtown,which led to a super bowl hosting, which equals billions of dollars. He was the Colts, he was the NFL, there has never been a player who meant more to a city and it's fans than #18, in fact, it's not even close...then came the injury and the decision......I have heard it all.....it's a business...had to be done......that is side stepping the issue and a complete copout, there is no legitimate reason why #18 (all of the above) was cut. Even factoring the injury and salary cap and what many mistakingly felt was a team on the decline, it was unexceptable.

The team was not in decline, despite the dismal showing in 2012, in fact, that years roster had more talent, than the roster of the team that won the Super bowl, the problem was...they were on the sidelines....watching. I realize there was no quarantee, he would be able to play again or play at the same level, there is no quarantee Luck will be injury free....or play 14 years, without missing a game......there were plenty of teams who had no ties with him, who were more than willing to take a chance, all except 1 team. The salary cap?? whatever!! When you have been around the NFL for-ever, you can make it work, if you want to. It's a business when Freeney moves on, or Faulk, or........but when a player does what he did and transforms a team, a city, a state, that goes waaaaay beyond, it's a business.

I get the how can we pass up Luck scenario, its' quite simple, you already got a great QB, the fact that he is now playing at his highest level ever, is hindsight, as is the fact that the Colts have "arrived" years, before they were expected to.

Trading the rights to Luck would have given the Colts an array of draft picks, never before seen in the history of the league and would have filled any holes in the roster and set the team up for yeeeaaarrrssss!!!!

In the past 20 years, there have been 5 Qb's who have won multiple championships, only Brady would qualify as (one of ) the best QB's in the league and he benefitted from having the best coach of his era, so having the "best" QB is way overated.

You can't begin to put into words what Manning meant to Indianapolis or even begin to inagine the financial gains that came from his efforts....to be released, to be cut and basically told, you are no longer wanted.......UNEXCEPTABLE!!!!!!

The clincher, for me, is that in this past year (+) my educated estimate is that about 80-90% of football fans, including Colts fans have the attitude of................

I don't understand, what's the problem????

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Guest NDColts!!

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Unexceptable Cut, really never took place it was only a love loss or dislike of Irsay. About Manning an Polian they did sustain the winning even after a suspect release of a Hall of fame runner who may have been able to help get a SB win sooner. It did help with the cap space of drafting Manning. Then hiring a great defensive coach (Dungy) to do a great job with what he had to work with thus Manning being offensive coach and scoring as he did, And the defense with it using the cover 2 or bend but don't break defense that was accepted but never changed or improved upon. After winning a Super Bowl and the city after long mediations created a state tax increase and the fans not Manning paying to build the Lucas Stadium and building the SB experience. and got the Super Bowl to the city. Which by the way may never be used again. Now it still may be a while to be 15-1 or undefeated (by the way) oh forget it, I am wishing Peyton good luck in his quest. "Come on Man" both got what they wanted and we got the best of it so accept it and you can hope for Manning as we all have did for 14 yrs I can't. GO COLTS an stay Strong! The problem is easy to understand its a man crush that some will never accept and have to find BLAME .....and there is none..

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If we still had talent....why did all of the players let go not named Manning either retire or fizzle out? We were getting it done on smoke and mirrors on many fronts (that is PM's incredible ability to elevate those around him). 

 

You are entitled to your feelings, I hope you get some closure in the future. As a fan since 70', I have not felt this good about a young defense with a horseshoe upside their head in like forever. 

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I didn't mention anything about players who were let go, just compare the rosters from those 2 years, it was basically the same team.

enjoy the defense while you can, when Luck's rookie contract expires and he becomes the highest paid player in the league, it's right back to the Manning era, you pay 1 player that much money, your overall team talent is lessened due to lack of $$$$, which in my opinion why so many teams with very good QB's often beat the teams with a great QB, you have too much $$$ tied up in 1 player.......Roethlisberger-Eli-Aikman all have multiple super bowl wins and none of them were considered the best QB in the game

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Listen, chances are Luck is an elite QB for at least 10+ years. I'll take that over another elite QB who at that time nobody knew if he'd return to form. Even now though, Peyton has a max 4 or 5 years left. Luck has 13-17 years. 

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I get it, but lets just keep Luck while he is in his prime, when he gets older or gets hurt, then cut him and get another great QB and so on

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You bring up a lot of points but times changes and good things do come to an end. All of the wins were great as a Colts fan and was sure fun to watch. The other side of the coin is the record in the playoffs. These losses can not be blamed on Manning but the buck had to be stopped somewhere. Irsay and all of the Colts fans were treated to fantastic QB play for 14 years. But the bottom line is one super bowl win with the caliber of Manning is unacceptable. 11 of the 14 years were greeted with maybe this year. I am sorry I cant agree with your assessment of Polian. He was a good evaluator of talent and made efforts but the bottom line he didn't know how to run the cap and business side of being a GM. He was not interested in changing with the game or it's players. He stubbornness with never varying to test waters for finding quality players put Manning and the Colts fans always wanting more. Sad part is Manning has to carry the badge of the greatest QB that couldn't win the big ones when they counted. That falls directly on Polain.

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I am one of the biggest Peyton fans but it was time to move on its always the WOULD'A, COULD'A, SHOULD'A he will always be one of the greatest and we had him for 14 years in my eyes he is the greatest. But GO LUCK and D give him all you have he would expect nothing less

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dont really care to debate, but if anybody takes a real close look at the playoff losses, more times than not, it was the offense that didnt deliver ( the high powered, high priced offense) the defense was always average, the offense was lights out during the season and not so much, come post season, there were plenty of close calls...........a patriots defense that all but tackled colts recievers during a last minute attempt to score.......the leagues all time leading (pct) field goal kicker missing an easy f.g.......a QB tackling a DB when he had nothing but grass in front of him, the list goes on......a lot of plays that could have changed NFL history and some's legacies.....sometimes.....**it happens.

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Oh for goodness sake get over it.  Long term the decision to let Peyton go was the correct one.  Peyton was, and is still, a great player, but he's career will come to an end in the next couple of years.  Andrew will be a great player for at least another 10-15 years.

 

It's time some of you moved on--Andrew Luck will be the next 'all time great QB' and in 10 yrs time I'd rather him wearing a Colts jumper, than tearing holes through the Colts' defence

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I'm going to love it when Luck proves all these 50/50 fans wrong.  Stick with the Colts or go root for another team.  When the Colts are hoisting the Lombardi this February, all you bandwagon fans will not be allowed back on the train.

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Colts7, you misunderstand my post. I mean there is little point weighing up the worth of cutting Peyton to take Luck a year and a half into Lucks career. The future is unwritten.

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This post is ridiculous, the only reason u feel this way is because of Manning's play(outstanding)...If he was struggling the you would feel different, yes trading our number 1 pick would have got us a few picks, but now you are hoping that all you picks are great....I have seen lots of picks not last long in the NFL....Truth is Peyton is playing great, but he didn't get a Super Bowl ring last year and we didn't either.....who cares about numbers, regular season wins, you have to win in the playoffs (which Peyton has a sub .500 record)....I also remember Peyton fibbing about how many neck surgeries he had early in the season, got 26 million dollars to sit the bench, also was told he could have played the last quarter of the season...would have been nice to see how the neck was to help your off season decision, instead he chose the Derrick Rose way.  Can't wait for the game and sick of the media and Irsay pumping this game up.....

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Guest NDColts!!

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Fully agree with all others who are thinking with your minds an not your Heart. Now that the over rated an hyped event is over my Colts are closer to the playoffs again are faced with the awful loss of a great person/player sidelined I believe the Colts team still has their Strength and Belief to be the best possible as its how they are built.

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I'm going to love it when Luck proves all these 50/50 fans wrong. 

Still want Manning?  haha

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hirst 1000, i knew what you meant, but my post was about what manning did for the team, city , state and league and how he was rewarded for those efforts.... it has nothing to do with andrew luck and the future of the colts

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Guest NDColts!!

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The Colts are a reflection of how the Ravens won it all last year with a tough defense and a offense that can adjust to the defense of the other team. The game with the Broncos this year we used the same approach as Baltimore did in last years playoff. It was Defense and a wide open hail Mary that beat Denver in the playoffs last year. The Colts defense is better this year. Colts future is still in the makeing but we are not as bad as the media would like us to be.

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You guys have Andrew Luck and are seriously complaining and wishing Manning was here? Please spare me.

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for the record: this was not intended to be a debate on who is or will be the better QB, I think Luck will go down as the best QB of all time (because he is the only QB I have ever seen who is the complete package/flawless) or if the scenario chosen was the best one, it was the chosen one and I can only speculate on what would have happened using another scenario....the point of the post was the principle of the decision..... when a person does that much and means that much...he is owed something, thats how I see it

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