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    Howard Mudd

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    Posted

    They retired in response to an NFL change in retirement. They needed to retire to have the best retirement deal as I recall.

    So, they were officially retired but, still connected.

    Don't know why that connection broke.

    Nobody said a word

    Stampede Blue: Having An Opinion On Someone's Opnion Of Your Opnion Is Bad Journalism

    in Colts Football

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    I get what you're saying, however what Saturday said about Caldwell, well he did actually say it. He just wasn't saying it was entirely his fault. So yes, context is important, but Jeff did actually say that we got outcoached (in addition to other things)

    Also, if Jeff wants to clarify for all to see he was blaming everyone and not just Caldwell, that's fine. I doubt the couple of minutes he took to do that isn't going to effect his preperation one iota.

    True he included coaching in the statement and also true that it is not inappropriate for him to respond to a media request for clarification.

    Further, StampedeBlue's response was juvenile. I never before put him in the category of 'spin' 'pandering type blogs. But for me that's where he is now.

    Stampede Blue: Having An Opinion On Someone's Opnion Of Your Opnion Is Bad Journalism

    in Colts Football

    Posted

    Selectively pulling a quote from a paragraph is standard practice as long as you source the material.

    Not in my highschool English Class.

    Perhaps, yes standard practice for yellow journalism

    Yellow journalism or the yellow press is a type of journalism that presents little or no legitimate well-researched news and instead uses eye-catching headlines to sell more newspapers.[1] Techniques may include exaggerations of news events, scandal-mongering, or sensationalism.[1] By extension "Yellow journalism" is used today as a pejorative to decry any journalism that treats news in an unprofessional or unethical fashion.

    Stampede Blue: Having An Opinion On Someone's Opnion Of Your Opnion Is Bad Journalism

    in Colts Football

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    oh my goodness. I guess some people see what they want to see and hear what they want to hear. And that is the reason that blogs that misquote and otherwise distort the truth make money.

    being taken out of context makes a huge difference in this instance, at least it does for people are are not just looking for support of their passion for blaming coaching.

    I think for people who do not agree or do not understand, and are inclined to do do something besides argue about a portion of a statement.........should some time spent googling 'out of context'

    To quote out of context is to remove a passage from its surrounding matter in such a way as to distort its meaning
    . The context in which a passage occurs always contributes to its meaning, and the shorter the passage the larger the contribution. For this reason, the quoter must always be careful to quote enough of the context not to misrepresent the meaning of the quote
    . Of course, in some sense, all quotation is out of context, but by a "
    contextomy
    ", I refer only to those quotes whose meaning is changed by a loss of context. The
    fallacy
    of Quoting Out of Context is committed when a contextomy is offered as evidence in an
    argument
    . Such
    fallacious
    quoting can take two distinct forms:

    • Straw Man: This form is especially common in political debates, when an opponent is quoted out of context in order to misrepresent the opponent's position, thus making it easier to refute. Frequently, the loss of context makes the opponent sound simplistic or extreme.
    • Appeal to Authority: Naturally enough, arguments from authority often quote the authority as a premiss. However, it is possible to quote even legitimate authorities out of context so as to misrepresent the expert's opinion, which is a form of misleading appeal to authority.

    Those not interested in the truth can disregard

    Stampede Blue: Having An Opinion On Someone's Opnion Of Your Opnion Is Bad Journalism

    in Colts Football

    Posted

    Looks like just another case where saying as little as possible would have been the right thing to say.

    Continuing the controversy in the media does nothing to help the situation. Apologize to the coach personally for speaking negatively about him in public and let the thing die. A victory, or at least a good showing for a change, would do far more to make this go away than any amount of bickering in the media ever will.

    Correction of selective quoting

    “I didn’t say that,” Saturday said before clarifying his feelings. “I said that as a team we were outplayed, we were outcoached and there was nothing that we did better than they did yesterday. I’ve been in this game way too long to try to lay the blame on anybody else. No coach put pads on, we did. We didn’t play well at all, and there’s no scapegoat in this. If you can’t look at all 53 guys and know that we all screwed it up, and we all got beat as bad as you can get beat. There are not enough fingers to go around, so we all share the same burden here and the same blame. We’ve got to get it fixed and go play better next week.”

    Stampede Blue: Having An Opinion On Someone's Opnion Of Your Opnion Is Bad Journalism

    in Colts Football

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    Looks like just another case where saying as little as possible would have been the right thing to say.

    Continuing the controversy in the media does nothing to help the situation. Apologize to the coach personally for speaking negatively about him in public and let the thing die. A victory, or at least a good showing for a change, would do far more to make this go away than any amount of bickering in the media ever will.

    I disagree. If you were misquoted, would your response be to accept it?

    The controversy is not continued by this.........it is corrected.

    MANY bloggers and fans seem to feel it is within their right to skew anything and everything in support of whatever their point of view is.

    It is both reasonable and fair to correct errors out there.

    I've been watching this 'intolerance' of anything the colts do or say. And accept that it is within fans rights to be intolerant and to vent.

    It is not, acceptable to decide that someone else is not entitled to correct garbage.

    It is not acceptable to spin things into al lie

    Stampede Blue: Having An Opinion On Someone's Opnion Of Your Opnion Is Bad Journalism

    in Colts Football

    Posted

    I didn't hear what Jeff said originally and I didn't see what BBS wrote originally. I don't really want to look it all up because im lazy, but did Jeff say "we were outcoached" or not? And if he did, how could that possibly be taken out of context? Im not supporting one side or the other, but I just don't see how that statement could be taken out of context. Thats a pretty self explanatory statement IMO.

    http://espn.go.com/blog/afcsouth/post/_/id/29773/jeff-saturday-not-blaming-jim-caldwell

    At Least He Said Something Different...

    in Colts Football

    Posted

    Somebody posted a blog over on direct today that I thought summed this up. There is way more that went wrong than can be attributed to just one coach. Spread it around. There is plenty of blame to share

    when you get beat 62-7, you didn't get Outcoached....You and yours, as an overpaid player were Outmanned, Outtalented, Outhustled, Outhearted, Outplayed, Outclassed straight to the Outhouse. They could have had our playbook and it shouldn't have been 62-7
    http://direct.colts.com/profiles/blogs/outcoached-says-saturday-no-that-wasn-t-it

    When Do We Start Wearing Bags On Our Heads?

    in Colts Football

    Posted

    Nah, I find it depressing.........and I'm depressed enough.

    besides, it would mess up my hair.

    Football is all about winning.......for everyone. Management already knows we are not winning and that fans are not happy.

    IDK, kind of reminds me of people who feel obligated to tell other people "you are fat"............as if they are not already aware of this and as if their pointing that all will be a difference maker.

    That said, I'd lay odds that some fans choose to do this and they will get on TV.

    How Many Fans Will Jump Ship... (Merge)

    in Colts Football

    Posted

    I know when I will. When they quit trying to put a quality product on the field, and yet still gladly take your money. Several baseball clubs do it, and I believe it to be one of the dirtiest things imaginable. Until that day however, they can count me in win or lose. Ill never be complacent, and will continue vocalizing displeasure in aspects of the game I feel need addressed even on a 16-0 team.

    True but I have not seen that in football. So far, the NFL works the way they want it to. Every team has a shot at the Big show.

    I think if the league changed .........I could lose interest in all of it.

    OR if they stop letting me watch for free on TV, that could do it too

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