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    Colts select QB Anthony Richardson Florida (merge)

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    17 hours ago, shasta519 said:

     

    I agree regarding draft record. I don't think it's the best reflection of his ability to evaluate talent either.

     

    And it's certainly not enough to warrant the extreme narratives about those teams being "garbage rosters" and Grigson being referred to as the "worst GM ever." That's the stuff I really take issue with. I don't think anybody can say Grigson did a good job. But I don't think we can say he did a terrible one either. And if that comes off as defending Grigson, so be it. But mostly I am just defending objectivity. 

     

    The drafting was bad. He had no feel for Day 3, especially from 2013-15. But those also were sandwiched between a great draft class in 2012 and and a decent one in 2016 (5/8 are still in the NFL). So it's possible that Grigson would have stacked better from 2017-on, especially with another HC (who he saw better with eye to eye). Obviously, he wasn't going to get the chance here, but someday he might.

     

    It's not surprising that the 2012 and 2016 drafts happened to be the only two drafts where the Colts actually had significant draft capital, given how much of a crapshoot it is.

     

    But I also think injuries make those classes worse as well:

    • Jack Mewhort and Hugh Thornton were solid interior OL players, but couldn't stay healthy.
    • Donte Moncrief seemed like a promising WR until he got hurt in year 3 and 4. 
    • Henry Anderson looked like a potential stud 3-4 DE as as rookie, but then got hurt and kept getting hurt.
    • Dwayne Allen was an All-Rookie TE and looked like he could be a future PB TE, but then got hurt and was never the same.

    All of those were Day 2 picks...the type you build a core base of talent around. And it was 5 of the 9 Day 2 picks (more than half) they had from 2012-15. I think the perception is different if some or all of those guys don't get hurt. 

     

    And it wasn't just draft picks getting hurt. FAs like Gosder Cherilus, Donald Thomas and Arthur Jones all kept getting hurt. Over the span of 2012-14, the Colts were most injured team in the NFL (per Adjusted Games Lost). And ten years ago, injuries were much more impactful than they are now. It wasn't so easy to come back and play, let alone at a high level. I think that played an underrated role in the performance of the OL as well. How different is the Colts OL if Smith and Glow kept getting hurt after 2018?

     

    But despite that, as well as any issues behind the scenes, Grigson's teams were also objectively successful. They went 49-31 and 3-3 in the playoffs from 2012-16. Even without Luck, those teams had a winning record (albeit a small sample size of games). They also beat very good teams, like SF, SEA and DEN in 2013. The 2014 team went to the AFCCG after holding CIN and DEN to 23 combined points. That team had 7 PBers, 5 of which were Grigson players. I just don't think you can take that away from the GM of the team.

     

    So it sort of boggles my mind how some people can call those teams garbage and just how that era is perceived overall. And I think other GMs in the league do recognize the successes and are able to separate his draft record from his overall value as an exec. And if anybody would know that it's possible to have a bad draft, it's other GMs (just look at some of the picks that Schneider has made over the years).

     

    I also think it's possible for people to learn and get better. We have this outlook on players, why not execs? Hell, most of this fanbase was stoked about Raheem Morris as HC, even though his HC record was awful. He was lauded for working his way back up through different, lower-level coaching jobs. I don't see a lot of difference between that and what Grigson has been doing, yet Grigson's jobs somehow hold much less weight and don't mean anything regarding his ability as a talent evaluator, while Morris' jobs show he is a good coach and ready to be a HC again?

     

    Like I have said many times before, I just don't think Grigson gets a fair shake from most of this fanbase or the local media. And I think the perception outside Indy is much more objective, which is why I put stock into him continuing to get those jobs.

     

    There's not a lot of people that took the time to look at it objectively like that, good post.

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    Colts select WR Josh Downs

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    7 hours ago, John Waylon said:

    Finally got around to watching “with the next pick” today and there’s something different to this kid. He just looks hungry. The more I see of him the more I like the pick. 

    Agree

     

    Have you see the vídeo of his footwork drill? This guy seems legit.

    Colts select WR Josh Downs

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    1 hour ago, Solid84 said:

    I like Downs a lot - he'll be great for us.

     

    On a side note, I don't think we would've drafted him if Wayne and one of our Scouts hadn't pounded the table for him. He had a great RAS of 8.99, but he's only 5'9" 171lbs. That's not Ballard's profile for a WR.

    Thats why keep Wayne is already a good decision by Shane

    Colts select QB Anthony Richardson Florida (merge)

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    5 hours ago, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:

    Which is exactly what Steichen said. He talked about his legs giving him a high floor. With Taylor in the back field his floor should be even higher.  I really do think we can win more then what we did last year.  
     

    I am also glad they kept Ryan Kelly. He is going to be crucial to helping a young QB with protections.

    I simply cannot trust Kelly setting protections.

     

    We were abismal bad recognizing blitz and stunts last year.

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    2023 Colts and NFL free agency news, rumors, discussions

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    2 minutes ago, DaColts85 said:

    I think they like Hendon Hooker. Top of 2nd round. 

    The problem with this gamble is hope Hooker passes the end of 1st round (a lot of teams, like the vikings, can pull the trigger), and if that happens, the question is: the can gamble thinking that maybe if hooker is not there, Stetson will be... or they think that after Hooker the drop off is big, and they will stay without a QB... 

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    2023 Colts and NFL free agency news, rumors, discussions

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    2 hours ago, NewColtsFan said:


    “Nothing has changed with Ballard’s approach so far.”   ???

     

    Huh?

     

    Ballard has done more this free agency period than any year except 2017, the throw away year with Pagano.  
     

    That was just last week!

     

    All the moves he made last week are far more than he’s done in any other first week of free agency in 18-22.   Im sorry you apparently missed it. 
     

    Remember, free agency isn’t one week long.   It goes for months.  Tomorrow starts week 2.    There’s tons of time left. 

    A kicker, the only starter (good move btw).

     

    Maybe a avg rotation DE

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    2023 Colts and NFL free agency news, rumors, discussions

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    20 minutes ago, richard pallo said:

    We haven’t released Foles yet either.

    MO, Kelly and Foles can all go, that will give us more than 30MM available..

     

    But it's irrelevant without willingness to spend it. Let's face it, nothing has changed on Ballard approach so far, the positive news IMO is that we got the OC/DC/ST/HC combo right, lets hope we start make players better with time, will help.

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    Gavin Mock Draft 2022 -- Make your Picks here. Big Board and Full Draft Order included on 1st Page

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    On 3/7/2023 at 11:24 PM, VikingsFanInChennai said:

     

     

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    Hi All, looks like you couldn't participate in Gavin's mock draft last year but did the previous year, Would you be interested in playing in this year mock draft here? 

    Hi man, thanks but cannot, too much work these days... :/

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