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4 hours ago, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:
Taylor’s agent really doesn’t understand the market. Wow
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Anyone who’s been to camp. Does Shaq look bigger than the 218 he played at in 21 and 22.
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24 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:
I agree, it’s not a good look. But it comes at the time when Taylor likely wouldn’t be playing even if he was cleared to. If he was cleared, the coaches likely wouldn’t have Taylor doing much of anything right now. Why put Taylor on the field now and risk injury at this early point of the pre-season? So no real harm is being done now.
Let’s see what happens with JT come Aug 1, which is the middle of next week. If he’s not back by then we may be having an entirely different conversation.
Fair enough?Yep negotiations in sports sometimes get pretty nasty. We just haven’t seen much at that here with Irsay handing out money like mad to guys who play less important positions and Jacoby Friggin Brissett and a washed up kicker. But there have been ugly publicity during negotiations that ended up in done deals.
I am SURE JT saw the mint given to a guard and an off the ball LB and a RT and BEFORE their contracts were due and is What the actual you know what? What about my money?
This org is a clown show though and it starts with a man child at the top.
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42 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:
Not even a little, Nick. Leveon Bell is a cautionary tale on what NOT to do, on how NOT to handle your business.
Bell didn’t play at all in 2018, and didn’t collect one dollar of a $14m salary in the prime of his career. He never recovered his playing form because he’s not the brightest bulb.
Yes, he fleeced the NYJ in 2019, and was in such bad shape and didn’t play well, he was soon enough not a NY Jet anymore. He could have made much much more had he handled his business well. He didn’t.
Bell made a series of bad decisions which ultimately cut his own career short and he never made what he could have made had he been smarter.
And I’m sure the situation is much worse for RB’s today. The situation is dramatically worse. As you know, the market has collapsed in the last 2-3 years. I’m hopeful that JT handles his business far better than Bell handled his 4-5 years ago.
I just don’t think JT would ruin his career by sitting out man. I just don’t.
Bell apparently had a bit of a self discipline issue. I don’t know that JT has that.
Agree to disagree.
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1 hour ago, Superman said:
We're taking a very generalized comment -- even good RBs don't raise the ceiling of your offense -- and applying it to one player in basically one season. In doing so, the point has become distorted.
To simplify, what are you getting from a great RB for $13m/year that you can't get from a stable of replacement level players for $4-5m? And is that difference really changing the outlook of your team?
Take it a step further. Once you have a good QB, that QB is elevating the play of everyone around him. That would include your replacement level RB room. So now we're probably shrinking the gap between your $13m/year RB and the third round rookie that could take his place for a fraction of the cost.
And then, what's really going to break people is when I argue that trying to get full value out of your highly paid RB has a good chance of hurting your offense, especially if it means you're taking the ball out of the hands of your good QB. If you put JT on the Chiefs and try to get your money's worth out of him, you're probably restricting Mahomes' ability to power the offense, which is likely going to be counter productive from an efficiency standpoint.
I agree that none of this is JT's fault. I have nothing against him, he's been a workhorse, durable, effective, and a good teammate. He shouldn't be punished because the Colts have been bad at QB. But especially in 2021, we saw the limitations that an offense with substandard QB play faces, even when your RB is outstanding.
Hopefully JT continues to hold up physically. But the reality is none of the highly paid backs have done so in recent history. CMC has missed significant time, Elliott and Cook got cut as soon as it was tenable, Mixon took a pay cut, etc. We're seeing an obvious trend around Year 5, or sooner, that RBs start to diminish. The exception is Derrick Henry, but we know it's coming. Getting three more good years out of JT would be a huge win.
As an aside, just briefly on WRs, I think we're reaching a point where there are so many good WRs in each draft that it's hard to get behind the idea of paying $20m/year for anyone who isn't an absolute game breaker. I like Pittman, but I'd be fine with letting him walk, especially if he's trying to get Terry McLaurin money.
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2 hours ago, jvan1973 said:
A fastball of 82 in the 1920s. My grandsons hit harder pitches in high schoolspan widget
BTW here is an article that discusses Ruth's superhumaness outside of mechanics.
Read and be taught @jvan1973
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13 minutes ago, DougDew said:
Ok, yes, an RPO, not just a steady planned diet of either running up the gut with JT or around the end with AR.
Option to the belly, option to run it himself, or option to throw. I don't think the option to run himself is going to be selected as much as folks would like, per Irsay and through SS.
I think ARs rushing yards will come via scramble, and he might be very good at converting a poorly chosen/executed passing option in an RPO into a first down or more...but that's not the same kind of running as the QB keeping the ball in an RPO. That's the kind of running Lamar and Kaep do, but not really Hurts so much who had other options besides running, IMO.
I'm almost certain this is the system we will run. A lot of times though you give a zone read look, but it's not really a read, it's a predetermined dive, or a predtermined pull by the QB. Same with RPO. Many times the belly is just a fake and the play was a pass the whole time.
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8 minutes ago, DougDew said:
I think the running QB has success when the defense is spread out to a degree. He's quick enough to find the open space, and maybe juke the off balance crashing defender, but his main role is to still slide when confronted with several defenders. I don't see the Colts having much success in spreading out defenses if AR's main threat is running outside.....and having an "only" inside runner like JT at RB certainly won't help to spread out the defense.
This is the offense I expect SS to run again this year.
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7 minutes ago, DougDew said:
I think the running QB has success when the defense is spread out to a degree. He's quick enough to find the open space, and maybe juke the off balance crashing defender, but his main role is to still slide when confronted with several defenders. I don't see the Colts having much success in spreading out defenses if AR's main threat is running outside.....and having an "only" inside runner like JT at RB certainly won't help to spread out the defense.
Well man I'm not talking about that being the only play. I just think the whole zone read/RPO will be an anchor of this offense. They go together really well. It's what steichen did lasttwo years anyway.
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25 minutes ago, DougDew said:
Also types above:
Using AR and JT as sort of a two-man wishbone offense where AR runs outside and JT runs inside depending upon the QB read is not going to be a staple. JMO.
If it turns out that way, then the Colts are simply trying to do what they can with AR because he can't do anything else. Like Kaep, Lamar, and to some degree Hurts, but unlike AR, who all have/had full rostered teams around them. But Hurts is a better all around player than the other two.
And Fields failed to create a viable offense or a winning record...because the rest of the team around him that is needed for that kind of QB to be a success....sucked.
Completely disagree. When you have a read option threat, then you fake the belly and the end around, and drop back with an actual RPO.
Teams are trying to do this kind of thing Doug. Some orgs have scrapped conventional thinking.
It will be a few years until we can see the results of this new strategy, whether it words and continues to grow or becomes the run and shoot.
I never thought the pistol formation would last, but last it has.
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1 minute ago, DougDew said:
I don't like the way BUF uses Allen. I think they do it because of poor coaching and foresight, just forcing him to make big plays either by running or passing, playing him to death so to speak. SS and the new breed of HC might see things differently, but I don't think Irsay is on board with using his pick 4 QB like Earl Campbell.
Well Doug, he ran Jalen Hurts over 300 times in the last 2 seasons not including the playoffs which with 165 last season and another 45 carries in 4 playoff games.
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15 minutes ago, DougDew said:
A QB who says he does not want to run the ball as much as he has. I think Philly is the mold for our offense and how we would use AR. Read option sometimes, but not as a staple the way Nick has been thinking, IMO.
I don't know if I'd say staple but a consistent threat. It's going to be something that is run enough to be accounted for. I see them running it a lot. How many times will AR keep? I'd guess around 3-4 per game. Unless the D crashes everyone toward the middle on every play.
15 minutes ago, DougDew said:Using AR and JT as sort of a two-man wishbone offense where AR runs outside and JT runs inside depending upon the QB read is not going to be a staple. JMO.
Man when zone read works, its' like a QB scramble. They're aren't any bid dudes left in the pic.
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1 minute ago, DougDew said:
I know you think the read-option is in play as a staple of the offense, but I don't think it works with a young team on the rebuild. Its what you do when you invest a 2nd or 3rd rounder like SF with Kaep, and it turns out he can have some usefulness. I doubt Irsay is going to want to expose his pick 4 investment/franchise guy with all that many designed QB runs.
I would be astounded if the drafted AR to be a drop back passer Doug.
1 minute ago, DougDew said:Even with BALs success at getting the most out of Lamar at pick 32, there is still some obvious limitations. And BAL was pretty much set in terms of defense and overall culture/identity when they plugged Lamar in. I just see AR at pick 4 being an over investment if the plan is to have him run the ball a lot around the corner.
That's what Murray and Newton and the Bears just ran 11th pick Fields 160 times. all very high picks.
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5 minutes ago, jvan1973 said:
You misspelled booze and dames
Booze and dames and hot dogs.
Ruth was a different looking though in his late teens and twenties when he was in the league.
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1 minute ago, DougDew said:
Correcting what I typed. I said to wait on JT the moment SS was HIRED, because SS might not want a straight ahead running RB with a low agility RAS score...who is an average pass blocker.
Maybe Dougie.
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25 minutes ago, jvan1973 said:
Fastballs were in the 80 mph range in his era.
Fine. But they also wore hats. Pitchers put all kinds of substances on the ball to make it move more. And players got earholed (although come to think of it there was no earhole since they wore caps. Walter Johnson pitched in the low to mid 90s and Joe wood threw harder than that and Ruth killed both guys.
You also forget the dead ball era.
25 minutes ago, jvan1973 said:Plus they didn't let black guys play.
Babe Ruth Barnstormed with blacks early in his career until they made him stop and by all accounts he knocked them around too. Ruth was actually a big base stealer in his younger days.
25 minutes ago, jvan1973 said:Imagine babe getting 90 mph slider.
If you watch the vid, you should see that he most likely would have adjusted to that or any pitch.
https://howtheyplay.com/team-sports/Why-Was-Babe-Ruth-the-Greatest-Baseball-Hitter-Ever
There is an even more nerdy video with all kinds of next Gen type numbers on torque, etc. that I can't locate easily right now.
You also discount that you can't even throw high and tight hardly today. A player can stand on the plate and if a pitcher comes up and in barely out of the zone a couple of times, he'll get tossed.
Back then they threw it in the ear and the guy got back up and back in the box.
25 minutes ago, jvan1973 said:He was not an athlete in any way compared to today.
You are looking only at vid after he was in the league for 15 years. He was fat later but so was Tony Gwynn. Didn't seem to hurt Big Papi.
25 minutes ago, jvan1973 said:He could hammer a 73 mph hanging curve though. He was great for his era
He likely would have been great in this era too. Ruth on Roids and supplements. Yikes.
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6 minutes ago, jvan1973 said:
Babe wouldn't have made single A ball today. He was great for his ERA
That is narrow minded. Look at this analysis of the Babe's swing.
Seriously, if you like baseball and are into this topic, enjoy this vid.
https://www.theswingmechanic.com/blogs/baseball-swing/why-i-love-babe-ruths-swing-so-much
And a thing about the Babe that must be remembered is he's swinging a 42 ounce Redwood trunk out there. Today's average is around 36.
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5 minutes ago, Superman said:
I don't think Leonard Fournette has good receiving skills. He had 83 targets last season alone, and I bet most of those were in the rhythm of the offense, not while he was being dragged down by two tacklers. Probably none of them were left handed shotputs...
Just saying I don't think the Colts offense has been a welcoming environment for any RB to be productive as a pass catcher over the last two seasons. But JT was pretty productive in a somewhat moderate sample in 2021, so it's not like he's bringing nothing to the table. Yeah, he's not Faulk or CMC or Kamara, but I don't think he's deficient as a pass catcher.
Fournette was likely helped with all the HOFers and otherworldly pass catching studs Tampa had rostered as well as the 2nd GOAT in the short passing game. I think Rivers was the GOAT in that category.
So yeah you put Taylor on that team with that QB he can probably take more targets.
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4 minutes ago, jvan1973 said:
Othani is like someone glitched the matrix and a create a player was born. Like weird science, but not Kelly LeBrock.
Babe Ruth without he hot dogs and beer.
I would't have gone for the knee shooters but a little more than champagne glass.
3 minutes ago, Superman said:I don't think Leonard Fournette has good receiving skills. He had 83 targets last season alone, and I bet most of those were in the rhythm of the offense, not while he was being dragged down by two tacklers. Probably none of them were left handed shotputs...
Just saying I don't think the Colts offense has been a welcoming environment for any RB to be productive as a pass catcher over the last two seasons. But JT was pretty productive in a somewhat moderate sample in 2021, so it's not like he's bringing nothing to the table. Yeah, he's not Faulk or CMC or Kamara, but I don't think he's deficient as a pass catcher.
Don't disagree and you don't think that he is an elite type of receiver. So far as I can tell
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10 minutes ago, jvan1973 said:
And did well statistically with those targets.
He did. Also agree. He's good at catching dumpoffs, screens, and an occasional wheel.
8 minutes ago, jvan1973 said:Tell me about Matt fortes lateral quickness
Edit not too hard to find. "At the Combine, he (Matt Forte) recorded a 3 cone L drill of 6.84 seconds. This correlates to a 9.13 score out of 10.0." He had elite lateral quickness.
taylor was 7.01 which is 6.89 out of 10. Meh lateral quickness. Not special for a RB.
Read it and be humbled @jvan1973You seem overconfident.
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4 minutes ago, jvan1973 said:
I said Faulk would be the standard in the NFL today. CMC has a long way to go to get in that territory.
We agree on that. Marshall Faulk was the Shehoi Othani of the milleneum era football.
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12 minutes ago, jvan1973 said:
They paid him 2 million to come back after an achilles tear.
I meant a long term deal before the tear. That's fairly evident since they drafted Taylor after two really solid years from Mack.
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13 minutes ago, Superman said:
I think that would be a silly statement to make. I also think it's pretty clear that JT hasn't been given any real opportunities to produce as a pass catcher. I don't think he's limited in a way that would prevent him from being a good option out of the backfield. What's limited him has been the offense and the QB play.
Well he had 92 targets in 32 games his first two season. That's a quite a few.
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3 minutes ago, Superman said:
I think that would be a silly statement to make. I also think it's pretty clear that JT hasn't been given any real opportunities to produce as a pass catcher. I don't think he's limited in a way that would prevent him from being a good option out of the backfield. What's limited him has been the offense and the QB play.
I am in agreeance with people who have been talking about CMC.
JT is good enough to catch the dump offs and screens and turn up field, to sneak out on the occasional wheel route.
But he is limited in what he can do as a pass catcher when it comes to more complex/lateral quickness friendly routes.
CMC and I mentioned Marshall Faulk might have been Pro Bowl slots in this league and I think Faulk could have played Y.
Faulk was underrated as a football player IMO even though he got paid. I don't think it's understood how great and diverse an all around player the guy was. He was a HOF level pass protector too if you could make the hall for just that. Perhaps the Goat.
Faulk and CMC have other worldly lateral quickness. JT does not. That is why he is a limited receiver and sub par pass blocker. It's not intended to be a negative criticism, just an observation.
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Training camp Day 2 7/28
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Maybe a threat but not much of one.