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47 minutes ago, w87r said:
Yeah, 2 things came to mind.
1. Achilles - worst case
2. Calf Strain
Didn't seem like a knee to me.
Calf strain can be code for Achilles. It’s like until a baseball team admits a player has to have Tommy John, they call it elbow tightness.
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2 hours ago, NewColtsFan said:
Am I reading this right?You think having a RB like Jonathan Taylor doesn’t raise the ceiling of your teams offense? Really?
You think he didn’t in 2020? Or 21?
Im taking money out of the equation. Strictly on talent.
Id be fine tagging JT for two years if need be and getting the best six years of his career. The Colts can move on in 26.
I’ll take a stab at this.I emphatically do not think JT raised the ceiling in 2020 at all. He had very very poor numbers in making people miss and pedestrian broken tackle numbers with stellar run blocking giving him great yards before contract. He ended up with respectable total yards with the caveat of having a close to 300 yard game at seasons end v. Terrible JAx or Tex team in a completely meaningless game that inflated his effective production.
in 2021 he had a stretch there when he and the oline had a tremendous impact during the middle 3rd of the ceiling. He broke several long runs. But before this spell his and his last 4 and the playoffs he wasn’t all that impactful IMO with the exception of that long game sealing run v the pats. This part of the year he was really good and the line was mauling people in the run game.
last year he did not elevate the team. So he raised the ceiling with some long runs for a period of time, but outside of that he was an RB and RBs that aren’t great route running pass catchers just don’t seem to be all that impactful in todays NFL.
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2 hours ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:
Somewhat to some players but when we have great players, I just feel like they should be re-signed to decent deals. JT has been a great player for this franchise and he is young.
He’s young as the crow flies but not young for an NFL RB. They average 2.57 years in The League.
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20 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:
Everyone says they won’t right up until decision time, and then they typically play. They’re bluffing.
Do I know for certain Taylor will play? No. But he’s a good kid, a smart kid, a character kid. So I believe he’ll play.
Most likely he will play I agree. Most of em do.
But what does good, smart, and character have to do with it? Dude was a philosophy major and has a high IQ. Playing NFL RB for a living is arguably pretty dumb.
One could posit that a strong show of character would involve standing with his fellow RB brothers and holding out so that the injustice of RB pay will peaceably but forcefully corrected.
One could argue that it would be good to honor a contract one has signed.
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Just now, 2006Coltsbestever said:
It is not so much an emotional attachment, at 52 years old all I want is what is best for the team and If I do see a special talent that can help us win, than I am for re-signing him. Of course when you are a teenager or in your 20's you get emotional over players because they are old enough to be your big brother or even your dad as role models. Once you get older it isn't the same, I do agree. Players like Peyton and Marvin are from my generation so I had an emotional attachment to them.
I had emotional attachments to Ryne Sandberg, Rick Sutcliffe, Richard Dent, and Walter Payton especially when I was a kid.
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28 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:
Somewhat to some players but when we have great players, I just feel like they should be re-signed to decent deals. JT has been a great player for this franchise and he is young.
Well I don't personally have emotional attachments to NFL players since I started being the same age as them and now I'm way older than everybody except TB and he retired. I wasn't too much older than him .
I'm not putting down people with emo attachment to these guys I just don't have it. At all. I'd cut my mother if I thought it helped me win ball games.
All I care about for my fandom is having a team that can win and compete. That's it. Sum total. I don't care about guys rough lives or their personal demons they've overcome or how much they donate, etc. ALL NFL teams have good guys, bad guys, generous guys, etc. etc. etc. It matters not in the least when I'm discussing what my armchair analyst self discuss on this website.
So desert has nothing in the least to do with it when I am thinking about what helps our team win. I agree with the Theo Epstein philosophy of not paying for past performance.
You do. thats cool. Do you. I'll do me.
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1 minute ago, Superman said:
Seems like you're being melodramatic to make a point.
Here's the harsh, heartless way that a team would handle RBs if they wanted to be fully cutthroat about it. Draft a RB in the top 75 every two years, run them into the ground, and let them walk when they hit free agency. Every once in a while, if you hit on a star level player, trade him after Year 3. The recent history of RBs on second contracts is that the team doesn't get a return for their money, and the player doesn't last to the end of the contract. So don't play in that sandbox at all. Draft young backs, churn and burn, and don't spend a bunch of cap space trying to keep them.
Now, I like JT. I'd be okay with the Colts paying a premium to keep him for the next two or three years, because I think he's that good. But having a player like him at RB is a luxury, at best, and probably doesn't raise the ceiling of your team's offense. And if I can get 75-80% of JT's production for 15-20% of the cost, strategically, it makes more sense to replace him than it does to pay him like a star RB on a second contract.
Yup.
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6 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:
We should have never drafted him with a Round 2 pick of all things since this has been a passing league for the last decade, right? Blame our FO for drafting him, JT didn't ask to get drafted by us. We should have took a WR instead since RB's aren't important, that is on our FO.
Just speaking the truth.
But to your point I'd much rather be paying Trayvon Diggs, who was drafted shortly after JT, than any RB in any recent draft, JT included. Or winfield too. I wouldn't have drafted a RB in R2.
That being said it wouldn't be bad to sign JT to a market reasonable deal that had an out after next year.
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5 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:
We should have never drafted him with a Round 2 pick of all things since this has been a passing league for the last decade, right? Blame our FO for drafting him, JT didn't ask to get drafted by us. We should have took a WR instead since RB's aren't important, that is on our FO.
Just speaking the truth.
Huh? are you trying to cause trouble?
I wouldn't sign him OR ANY NFL RUNNING BACK to a big money contract.
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7 minutes ago, Superman said:
In this case, not really. But that's because Ballard's comments made me think the Colts aren't ready to make an offer to JT until they see him back on the field, in Steichen's offense. I also don't think Ballard would have said 'we don't expect anyone else to be on PUP' 30 minutes before Taylor goes on PUP, if they were thinking about this strategy.
Irsay's comments don't seem relevant. I don't know what's happened behind closed doors, but I don't see why Taylor or his agent would be discussing CBA stuff during contract negotiations. If the CBA was amended to allow RBs to enter the league sooner, or to allow RBs to get to FA faster, how does that affect JT in 2023? Anything CBA related seems totally irrelevant.
No question it could be perceived as a dig at JT, and it would be naive to ignore the connection. But it seems more general in nature. I could be wrong.
Yes to this specific case with what has gone down it really looks like there has been some unexpected moves and to me it seems likely that this is a somewhat nasty disagreement. JT seems to have blindsided and embarrassed the FO, and they seem to have thumbed his eye back to me. It would be fairly coincidental for JIs comments not to be pointed IMO. I don't gamble much, but if I had to bet, I'd bet this is likely how it went down.
3 minutes ago, w87r said:I don't think the first part was Taylor related. CBA talk.
I do think the last part was aimed at Taylor's agent(among others), more than direct shot towards Taylor.
As everyone else, I could be wrong.
I do see your point here. But JT and all other players have the power to control their agents.
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2 hours ago, Superman said:
My previous post might not have been clear. I'm saying if Taylor's PUP designation is legit, and not a ploy, then it might be good for him to do a quick interview to set the record straight. 'I know there are rumors that I'm sitting out of practices as a contract negotiation strategy, but those rumors are false. I can't wait to get out there, but my ankle is not quite 100% yet, so the staff and I decided to take it slow at first.'
Also, if this is a ploy, it would be Taylor's strategy, not the Colts'. It would mean Taylor is presenting himself to the team/medical staff as being less than 100% so that he can sit out of practices and not do any media, without the risk being fined. The team responds as they normally would, by putting him on PUP. It would not be a cooperative effort between the two parties. It would be a manipulation on the part of the player. (And it's basically what the RBs discussed on their Zoom call, with union reps present.)
By the way, this is all still speculative. And I'm not taking a side. Just talking it out.
I think this is contrary here is reasonably possible. JT and the org come to wink and nod agreement that while they are negotiating, instead of having the media circus of an official holdout, they do it this away. Don't you see this as possible, I do.
Now I do think Irsay's comments yesterday are an indirect dig at JT.
But like you same with me. Spitballing some possible scenarios.
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1 hour ago, John Hammonds said:
Nice summary.
And, to be honest, I don't really care that much if JT is hurt or is not hurt or is holding out or is upset at the RB wage scale or whatever. At least, not this year.
For the past few seasons, our fan base (me included) has been on pins and needles with every injury. Or potential injury. Or... well... anything. Because it's been our collective understanding that Any Little Thing that happens could result in 1 or 2 losses, and missing the playoffs. And it's been a source of great stress.
We're not going to the playoffs this year. I already know that. This year is about developing a young quarterback, solidifying a young offensive line, and getting everyone on Steichen's new program.
Thus, the JT drama doesn't matter as much to me. We're going to put whatever team we have on the field, get everyone to face the same direction, and work on playing well. And let the wins and losses happen where they happen. Whoever is on that team is on that team. And whoever is not is not.
I agree about this year. I’d be pretty shocked if this team is a playoff sniffer this season. That would probably mean AR plays All Pro type QB from Day 1. It’s not impossible but it seems exceedingly unlikely.
So if Taylor is going to be a contributor to the team WHEN it’s ready to contend it would probably be a good idea to have his touches significantly reduced this season.
So a hold out or an (ahem bull sheets) injury keeping him out for a significant portion of the beginning of the season could be an ironic positive for JT and the Colts. He’s not good in pass protect anyway, there is no reasonable debate on that, so if he’s out 6-8 games and if he’s signed long term to a reasonable contract that the market, not the union of RBs, determines as reasonable, then it might be better long term for AR to have a really good pass protector if he’s going to start all of or part of the 1st half of the games. We have a great pass protector in Zach Moss already on the roster who runs hard and would be effective in zone reads.Then, thought exercise here, AR has a stud vet protector helping him out in his initial development, JT comes back half way through the year fresh, splits carries with Moss for the 2nd half, meshing with AR, AR has developed some confidence. So when we are ready to be competitive starting September 2024, we have a fresher, less used up Jonathan Taylor and a more condiment AR.
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7 hours ago, Nancy said:
Can someone tell me is better to sit down low or up higher in the bleachers? How early do I need to go to get in line and get a seat? Can't wait til I go! Thank you!
Don’t let this little cheat code get out in the public eye lol, but don’t line up where the big line starts outside the building at grand park. That line can get really long and if you wanted to try to get a good seat, you’d need to line up early. If you park in one of the lots in the West part of the park and walk through the soccer fields there is a 2nd line that forms from that side with exponentially less people in it.
if you have kids that will be playing in Colts City before practice this method probably won’t work because that area is between the building and the practice fields.
Hope this helps.
As far as where to sit that’s tricky. My sons and I walk around but camp can get very crowded. WARNING for sitting low in bleachers. You can sit there for an hour think you have a good view and then late arriving fans will stand right in front of you on the rail. It’s teeth gnashingly frustrating.
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8 minutes ago, RollerColt said:
A proven hypothesis would also be considered a theory if we’re being technical.
Technically it could be a theory or it could be a law but that’d be
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2 minutes ago, Moosejawcolt said:
No comprende Senior.
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3 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:
I simply didn't understand why you felt the need to make the post?
I don’t think you’re Satan…. But given our history and recent private exchange, the post didn’t make sense to me.
I get it. I speak tongue in cheek quite a bit man and use a crap ton of sarcasm and irony. Doesn’t come through on the net for some I guess.
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27 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:
What are you talking about?
The PUP move was made by the Colts, not Taylor. JT isn’t playing with fire. He still has another year left on his rookie contract. He’s not going anywhere. There isn’t even another RB on the roster that can take his place.
Yeah see NCF here I am with you too.
JT is not Wally Pipp. If Lou Gehrig took over the RB duties, JT would be cut and teams would be lining up to sign him (to a reasonable number though since the individual RB has been devalued by NFL orgs.)
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26 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:
Huh?
What was the point of this?
I wasn’t disputing the idea that the Colts team doctor would say JT needs to be in the PUP even though Ballard and Irsay have stated JT is ready. I wasn’t disputing that at all. I think you’ve completely misunderstood my post.
Relax NCF. I wasn’t disputing I was supporting. I guess you think I’m Satan and are just always an adversary.
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6 hours ago, Superman said:
Kenny Moore was at OTA and minicamp, but didn't practice. There's no PUP designation during the offseason program. When he reported for training camp, he participated fully. Very different situation.
I don't know why we would just ignore the fact that a week ago, RBs reportedly discussed using injuries as a way to limit their participation in practices. JT wants a new contract. He had ankle surgery in January. We were told he's healed up. Now he's on PUP. Drawing a connection between these things is not unreasonable.
It is a reasonable hypothesis.That is not the same thing as proven hypothesis.
Most folks struggle to understand the difference.
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1 hour ago, BeanDiasucci said:
This seems exactly right. The doc's analysis has to put focus on what the athlete says he's feeling.
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1 hour ago, jvan1973 said:
Holding him out of practices for an uncomfortable pain is one thing. Putting him on PUP is another
Is it? I just PUP rules for a while and it simply means that a player is not cleared by a doctor practice or play as far as I can see.
What do you know that is different?
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11 minutes ago, jvan1973 said:
I think going on PUP is more involved than that. Leonard isn't on PUP for example
Better now..
I don’t know what it takes to be put on pup, but i do know that a patient’s responses are the lions share of the diagnosis post op when determining what is prudent for recovery. That’s what I was referring to. Not pup requirements.
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9 hours ago, Smonroe said:
Practice is important. But it’s less important for veterans in certain positions. JT knows what hole to hit and who to block.
The only thing he has to learn is how to catch passes from the new QBs. He’ll be fine.
RB practice isn't that important. Little pass pro concept work too
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25 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:
So the Colts have a team doctor who will swear JT is not quite ready no matter what Irsay and Ballard have said this past month.
Not hard to do.
Doc: OK Jonathon. Let's take that sock and croc off and have a look see.
JT takes off sock and croc. Doc manipulates the foot and ankle.
Doc: So how does that feel?
JT: A Bit tender, a little tight.
Doc does a couple other manipulations.
Doc: OK how about that?
JT: Same.
Doc: Well the scans look good but only you know how you feel. Do you feel 100% ready to go ?
JT: I don't think so
Doc says a whole bunch of Latin feces into a recording device very rapidly and ends in English "not ready to practice or play."
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Jonathan Taylor comments on his contract/Request trade (Merge)
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Don’t agree at all necessarily. He may be a putz I don’t know the dude but he has a specific job to do.
Agents are voluntarily paid by athletes to represent said athletes. Athletes can control how they are represented if they choose to.
if you think that JTs agent is being a putz then logically that would point in the direction of JT being a putz since he chooses who and how he’s represented.
his agents tweets are essentially JTs tweets when it comes to Colt/JT communiques. JT. Could with a few thumb movements tweet a denunciation of any of his agents tweets
unless JT is some weak minded door mat that is. Don’t know him but he doesn’t seem that way on TV.
And BTW. I have no concern or disdain for athletes and their agents fighting for dollars in any manner they see fit. Same with the org allocating the scarce resources o v the NFL cap. Business in business. Not judging Taylor, his agent, or JI and the FO. Just doing business which can and often does get muddy.