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4 hours ago, Superman said:
I think a lot of people have a version of that story. But I think a version of that story also happens every day in law school, business school, med school, etc., except college students don't get suspended for using PEDs to improve their scholastic performance.
I just think the sports PED discussion is really sanctimonious and overly rigid, especially compared to other competitive pursuits. So much so that there hasn't been any reconsideration of PEDs in the last 20 years. It's just 'no, PEDs are cheating, end of story.' I think it's a disservice, overall.
I don’t agree in total. PEDs are illegal and when you don’t regulate them you are forcing guys to commit felonies in many cases in order to compete. That seems pretty obvious that it’s unfair to guys that don’t want to commit felonies and as far as I know littlw to do with scholastic considerations. I somewhat see what you are doing, but to me it’s a weak argument. I really don’t see how that is not clearly unfair to guys who follow the law. (Look dude I’m no prude trust me lol. All I’m going to say is that my past times aren’t always legal lol. So it’s never a moral consideration for me.)
On the other hand Stallone is in his late 70s and has done roads for over 50 years and is looking and getting around pretty good for a near octogenarian There are many others that seem to be doing fine as former athletes who used. So if your angle is coming from the dangers being seemingly overblown then I agree it seems t be overblown.
But as long as they are illegal, I think the league should suspend violators if they wish to. It’s not fair to those who try to abide by the law. I think it’s any orgs’ prerogative to make rules they see fit within the law.
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3 hours ago, Moosejawcolt said:
Carolina will win the division
Got a rookie QB so I am not confident of that but they have a pretty good team. If the little guy can play NFL competent starter level ball pretty quickly they should win that division. If he’s good out of the gate they could contend with especially in the NFC.
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3 hours ago, Superman said:
Waaay off topic, but I think the sports world's stance on PEDs is poorly considered and overly rigid.
It’s almost personal with me man. Like I said I had a buddy who didn’t break into the league as a powerless middle infielder until 29 and around the turn of the millennium who likely would have made it 5 years earlier if PEDs hadn’t been so prominent. He did not want to put it in his body.
The health risks of PEDs might be quite overblown looking at the long game but I don’t have a problem with the league making its rules on that issue. They were (are?) illegal and so I don’t have a problem with any league suspending for them.
Whether or not they should have been or still are illegal is a different question that is a question for lawmakers not the NFL or mlb etc.
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3 hours ago, Superman said:
Just to nail it down:
That includes the janitor, parking attendant, the pretzel guy, everybody. Certainly the VP of Marketing. And most certainly the players.
You guys are making me take sides with Nickster...
you love being on the right side of a debate though Supe ;-)
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On 7/4/2023 at 3:47 PM, DEFENSE said:
delayed gratification !!!!
It’s funny but even though CB is still GM, we are in classic delayed gratification mode with what we have on the roster.
The org should be looking forward to 2025 or so with the raw rookie QB IMO.
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9 hours ago, jvan1973 said:
I actually know for a fact many folks inside the organization know when players will or will not play. My mother in law used to live in the same apartment complex as Pat Beach way back when. He would come sit with us at a bon fire and tell us all sorts of things. Players that were not going to dress, a dumbed downed version of the game plan. That could be important information for a gambler. It happens. Now post your GIF
Yeah I used to “date” a girl who lived in the same condo complex as a fairly prominent Colts player whom I conversed with that told me things I was surprised he revealed when we drank together a couple times.
I used to see another girl who’s Dad played and was good friends with Archie Manning and knew PM growing up. She was from SC and told me some things about PM that were contrary to his image. I met PM in a bar downtown after that and he corroborated the info. He also told me that Dungy was bringing some player. In his drawl I can still hear him emphasize that. He was just like he seemed.
so I know personally of 2 NFL players that were freer with info than I expected.
but to me it begs a giant question.
So what?
what does that have to do with policy?
what difference does that make?
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1 hour ago, jvan1973 said:
That analogy doesn't make sense. First. Let's get back to where I stand. Yes players that bet on NFL games should face consequences. Maybe I didn't make that clear. I think the consequences should be based on the types of bets they made. Any bet made against the NFL policy should be a year. But if a player made a bet that he could have changed the outcome of it should be life.
Now to my hypothetical scenario. Tons of people have inside information inside an organization. My question is, are those people held to the same standards as players and coaches. Can the VP of marketing place bets and not be in violation of the rules? Try to answer without a GIF
And I didn’t read Supes post till after I responded. The doc he posted clearly states that ALL NFL employees are held to the same standard.
I mean I suppose Goodell could ban a janitor for life from cleaning NFL schidders.
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1 hour ago, jvan1973 said:
That analogy doesn't make sense. First. Let's get back to where I stand. Yes players that bet on NFL games should face consequences. Maybe I didn't make that clear. I think the consequences should be based on the types of bets they made. Any bet made against the NFL policy should be a year. But if a player made a bet that he could have changed the outcome of it should be life.
Now to my hypothetical scenario. Tons of people have inside information inside an organization. My question is, are those people held to the same standards as players and coaches. Can the VP of marketing place bets and not be in violation of the rules? Try to answer without a GIF
I personally support Draconian zero tolerance policies for players, coaches, and management who make bets on NFL games.
I don’t know if other employees are held to the same standard.
I guess you could suspend janitors for what was it leaking jersey numbers that weren’t laundered.
VPs for marketing probably aren’t privy to game plans and real insider stuff I wouldn’t think. They are like hot dog vendors.
I guess I support firing janitors who leak unlaundered jerseys (I’m really feeling a Rock eye roll here but will honor your request and refrain).
But I don’t think hourly and non football operation salaried employees are anything like contracted players, coaches, and management.
I think this is obvious (I need an eye roll like a crackhead needs a rock, but again in good faith I am practicing great self restraint), and I also have to believe you see the difference.
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3 hours ago, NewColtsFan said:
Ok, thanks. Don’t think I subscribe to that view. The Colts have run plenty of zone blocking very successfully since 2018. I’ve seen no breakdown that shows Nelson prefers one style over the other.
Appreciate the response. Thanks again.
I agree zone has many advantages but most of it IMO is that you get very little read as a defender off the snap from the OL. The zone steps look basically the same on straight runs and RPOs.
Gap has advantages too, the greatest of which IMO is that linemen can load up and really go after defenders and try to knockZone is predominant in the League. Every team runs more zone than Gap. I didn’t look at last seasons stats but every team has run majority zone for several years now with only a handful of exceptions.
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9 hours ago, NewColtsFan said:
Honest question:
Why would anything be to the chagrin of Nelson? Sorry, I’m not following…..I assume he’s talking about RPO using zone blocking v. Gap. Nelson would prefer gap I think he’s saying.
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On 6/27/2023 at 7:01 PM, NewColtsFan said:
I think most posters have the Colts in a range of 6-9 wins.
There are some outliers. Some have the Colts winning 10-12 games. Some have the Colts only winning 3-5 games. But I believe there are fewer outliers.
But the vast majority want the team to improve as the season progresses. The young kids have to play and get better so the team can compete at a higher level in 2024.
I’m a tepid 3-5 guy.
I can tell you this, I’d rather have the team win 3-5 with AR than 6-9 with Minshew.
Minshew is a legit lower 3rd starter type, but his ceiling is likely middling.
My ideal scenario is the worst record in the league and 1st pick, but with AR showing real promise ie. Manning’s rookie year.
If AR is going to be good enough to lead this team to 9 wins next season, nothing else makes much difference because we have a super star for sure. I don’t think anyone including colts management and Anthony’s mother think that he will be that good next season.
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9 hours ago, VikingsFanInChennai said:
You hope or think it will be? Or hope it's not that much in 5 years? Not exactly clear which side you're on
Otherwise agreed, it looks like it will not be a surprise if it exceeds 60 million per year in 5 years.
I read it as hope. If the phrases Anthony Richardson and 60 mill per are plausibly linked in a few years that means AR is a super duper star.
8 hours ago, GoColts8818 said:I just hope he proves himself worthy of a second contract. If he does I don’t care what it is because true franchise QBs can’t be over paid for.
That’s a great way to put it.
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12 hours ago, jvan1973 said:
How do you not understand that information is going to be shared. So if a player tells a family member player x is not gong to play before the general public knows about it, it's the same thing as the player making the bet. Maybe worse. He could tell multiple people. Multiple bets, parlays. What if the game plan is to throw the ball 50 times. The general public wouldn't have that information. But cousin Joe does. 30, 50 100 bets made on that info. It's exactly the same thing.
yeah right . So should we legalize murder because there are going to be murder and people that aid and abet murder and people that hire people to murder for them?so you want to do away with the policy because people are going to violate it?
huh? Are you following your own logic?
It would be technically correct that there would be no crime if there were no laws I guess.
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1 hour ago, jvan1973 said:
Not really. My point is, players could give inside info to others who are able to make bets. What's the difference? Let's say JT has been labeled as a game time decision. Yet the entire organization knows he won't be playing. What's to stop players or coaches from sharing that info with family and friends. Then they place bets based on that information.
So you want to suspend the family and friends from their jobs? Wait a second . . . Oh never mind.
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31 minutes ago, AKB said:
nothing you are saying is wrong, IMO. outside of morality existing, but that's probably a conversation for a different time.
anyhow, I guess the specific point is that it's bound to happen. right? I mean you have young men, extra money, and a league that feeds off of gambling, and gambling advertising.
what can go wrong, will go wrong. so when you have conditions set to promote these behaviors, I suppose that's where the moral dilemma lies. is the league doing enough to educate the players? should the league be sponsored by gambling sites if they ban it in their league?
it's not a cut-and-dry answer where you just shun the player and move on, that's the easy thing to do. of course, they all made mistakes, and of course, they all knew it was against the rules. the question is, does the league share any responsibility?
I think it’s cut and dry man. What education is there? That doesn’t seem to fit here.
hey if you bet on the NFL you will not be playing in it,there lesson taught. Education complete.
almost every job that I can think of has prohibited stuff that if caught doing the employment employee would be fired.
Seriously man, why the kid gloves?
Dont touch the stove. You do you get burnt. End of lesson.
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11 minutes ago, AKB said:
nothing you are saying is wrong, IMO. outside of morality existing, but that's probably a conversation for a different time.
anyhow, I guess the specific point is that it's bound to happen. right? I mean you have young men, extra money, and a league that feeds off of gambling, and gambling advertising.
what can go wrong, will go wrong. so when you have conditions set to promote these behaviors, I suppose that's where the moral dilemma lies. is the league doing enough to educate the players? should the league be sponsored by gambling sites if they ban it in their league?
it's not a cut-and-dry answer where you just shun the player and move on, that's the easy thing to do. of course, they all made mistakes, and of course, they all knew it was against the rules. the question is, does the league share any responsibility?
Yes morality for another time lol.
See I just don’t think that the league shares ANY responsibility. The players are not prohibited from gambling. They can gamble on anything but the league.
The league is not responsible for individual weakness of will power. As a matter of fact the Draconian gambling rules recognize individual weakness of will and this policy is likely the most effective way to minimize players betting on NFL games.
If a pharmacist was caught pinching fentanyl he would lose his license. He works in an environment that has fentanyl. That sells fentanyl. That promotes it to certain degree. Are they responsible if the addicted pharmacist uses? Of course they aren’t.
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4 minutes ago, AKB said:
"Do as I say, and not as I do"
I think that's the point he's making.
It's like students in a middle school being told that smoking cigarettes is bad, but the school advertises discount cigarettes over the PA speaker after the pledge of allegiance.
It's in your face, but don't touch it.
--> counterargument is that we aren't talking about children we are talking about "grown" men with more money than they have ever had. In a sense, they do become children again because its a new way of life. from not having money to having more than you know what to do with. it's an easy trap to fall into.
i don't think his behavior is excusable, but there are many young stars that fall into some type of addiction fueled by extra cash. not limited to football.
They just can’t bet on the NFL. And if they are so addicted to gambling that they can’t keep from gambling on NFL games and just gamble on every other possible thing i the multiverse, it’s not the league’s problem.
In baseball they used to have notices in all locker rooms about lifetime bans for betting on baseball games.
the penalties aren’t nearly as important punitively for the individual, they are to be deterrences all players. You bet on baseball and get caught then you are done. Full stop.
it’s clear and fair and necessary IMO.
I don’t care about morals for the sake of morality because I don’t even believe in morality. I do think however that rules are necessary for order amongst our species.
You just must have Draconian policies to deter betting on the league that you play in IMO to maintain some integrity in the game.
But that’s pretty obvious I think. It’s real duh to me
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On 6/27/2023 at 3:53 PM, SOMDColtsfan said:
Singular? After last year? QB..A lot of hype but until have seen with own eyes..still the most important position..QB
Easily my biggest concern and it’s not close.
what concerns me is not AR. He may or may not be good. But that’s no different than any other team. With few notable exceptions, drafting QBs with any pick is a crap shoot even high 1st rounders.
my concern is CB’s seeming tendency to over value his own draftees and Rockin Jimmy’s meddling.
I hope AR is good he very well could develop that way. I have no idea of what any QB will do in The League let alone this young inexperienced kid whose CFB team had no success. The potential stardom is clear from a raw talent standpoint.
But if not, I have little faith in management moving on when it’s appropriate.
We will be bad this year in all likelihood. If AR isn’t legit, we will be really bad for the next 3 or so seasons. We should have high picks if that’s the case though. I’d much rather be bad for a few years and have a chance to draft impact talent with high picks than be a 6-9 win team like we have for most of a decade.
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4 minutes ago, jvan1973 said:
It's so funny and ridiculous . Imagine if those players gave inside information to your mom (amongst others)
Dude you have some goofy takes but you MUST be intentionally obtuse on this one.
good god son.
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2 hours ago, rock8591 said:
If Richardson becomes good-great, I we couldn't care less on how rounds 3-7 of the draft turns out.
If it's vice versa where the remainder of the draft is good but not AR...our situation can be summed up by one song:
There was once a young girl from Havava
Who slipped on a peel of banana
She's about to swear
But her momma was there
So she hummed the Star Spangled Banner.
The only thing that really matters this off season is if AR is an actual NFL caliber starter. He’s done little to nothing in CFB games to suggest it objectively.
Subjectively, he’s traitsy to the nth degree. Hits will probably be at least 2025 until we see what we have. This season AFAIC he gets a free pass and I’ll just be looking for promise. Next season he needs to be a legit NFL starter. 2025 he needs to show star potential or this org might slip back into the oblivion in which it came to INdy.
To me there is basically only one relevant question org wide. Can AR play in The League or not?
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Hey everyone @jvan1973 can’t figure out why the NFL doesn’t want players and coaches betting on NFL games.
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1 hour ago, jvan1973 said:
Or they could know who is healthy and who isn't before the public. How about the folks that clean their uniforms? Can they bet , when they know the player is not dressing days before the rest of the world?
I know you think Gif really cemented your take. It didn't
take cemented
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3 hours ago, jvan1973 said:
Is it just the players and coaches that can't bet on the NFL? How about training staff, janitors, accounts payable etc?
No I don’t believe janitors are part of the policy. I guess they could make the locker room really slick and injure a player which could effect the outcome of the game,
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On 7/1/2023 at 5:55 PM, CoachLite said:
So, is it OK for the league to actively promote gambling among all other people, but not the players? The NFL has created a moral hazard for itself.
It’s not a violation for NFL players to gamble unless it’s on the NFL. It’s not a policy of morality. It’s pragmatism.
It would boggle my mind to find out someone didn’t understand why the penalties are so harsh when NFL players gamble on the NFL.
UPDATE: Two Colts players suspended for gambling, waived by team (merged)
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Dude I feces you not. This is one of my favorite responses I’ve ever seen in this board and is what this place should be about.