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Well that's about what I think. And I wasn't talking for moving forward, I was just talking about that current time. Obviously the shoulder changes things. I still don't think we are a very good FB team regardless of who is behind center right now. That being said though, there are a lot of bad FB teams right now, so I still think we have a chance, even this year. Not if GM turns it over 4 times though lol. Man he had almost 25% of his total career TOs Sunday. That's kind of hard to believe.

I guess my question is why do we think Richardson gave us a better chance to win? Especially in the small sample size that he didn't win any games? If there is someone who is a big GM advocate on here, I haven't seen it. His limited by his arm strength and that's been clear since he came into the league. In a good situation he can move the ball and has really low TO numbers for a career. He has 21 TOs including lost fumbles for a career of 38 games. That means almost 25% of his TOs for his career happened Sunday. That probably isn't likely to happen again. But what has Richardson done on the field stat wise that makes anyone feel he was a better option for winning? It must be feel stuff, because the results do not support that position as far as I can tell. I've NEVER personally thought of Minshew as anything but a fringe starter/backup guy.

Minshew turned it over 4 times. Doesn't really matter what sets we call if that happens.

And I looked it up. This was an outlier for GM in the TO department. He has thrown 47 TDs v. 17 INTs in his career. Sunday was his first 3 INT game of his career and he had the fumble too, although Raimann whiffed on that play and there wasn't much culpability on Minshew's part on that play IMO.

I probably should have made 5 possible answers including slightly increases and slightly decreases. I'm not high on Minshew either. I just thought and still do think, he gives us a better chance of winning games this year by a slight margin.

It was a really bad game from Minshew. That's for sure. He did finish and win the 3 games we won though. I'd say if I had to yes Minshew still gives us a better chance of winning than AR would at this point. I thought he gave us a slightly better chance of winning and still do. Although, there are some impressive signs from AR, he didn't really play very good QB over all, 45 QBR. Not that anyone expected that level, but some here inflated his contributions I think.

But you are assessing his career trajectory lol.

Agree on the sliding. I think the shoulder injury was in a called run too. It was totally shut down and he needs to give himself up in that case too. Even though it goes for no gain. he feels the pocket pressure . But I don’t think he will ever be a good nfl QB without liberal use of the wheels. He doesn’t have the accuracy to be a pocket guy.

He’d be tall lol, but there ain’t nothing lanky about that dude lol.

That's funny dude. IT did feel like that lol.

I'm bearish on his ability to be an effective passer if he isn't using the wheels. I'm not bearish on him having a chance to be a good, possibly great, read-option/RPO QB. I am totally hibernating on what some here seem to suggest and that is having few if any designed runs for the kid. That won't work IMO. Not at all. He is not good enough of a dart player for that to work and I don't see him getting better enough at darts over guys that are already really good at throwing darts. If he can run and stay healthy we might have something here. IF not. I don't see it at all.

I think completion percentage might be overblown. But his inaccuracy even when throwing on air at the combine to the boundary really struck me. Teams would not pick a guy like him that high with that issue without the size and athleticism. I like the way you put weaponize athletic ability.

Maybe, but a lot of people are conflating accuracy and completion percentage. They are not the same thing. One can have a very high completion percentage and still be an inaccurate passer. There is no serious debate about this BTW. AR is and was inaccurate as a thrower of NFL footballs. I've been a tepid advocate of doing the zone read thing like other teams are experimenting with again and liked some of what I saw with AR running it BTW.

Relax CHloe. Breathe in/ Breathe out. YEs I'm serious. AR has played less than 3 games quarter wise and has 25 rushing attempts. That's almost 10 a game. That's a ton for a QB.

I don't really judge CFB guys coming into the NFL. It's hard and I don't watch much CFB anyway. But I do occasionally pay attention to what is being said. So I don't necessarily criticize the team for picking the dude. In his brief appearances, it's clear that he has the raw tools and demeanor of a NFL QB. But I do feel confident about this. AR will not be a good NFL player if he is made to play from the pocket and not have designed zone read type plays

Supe we were just discussing AR and injury. And sure enough, he has nowhere to go with two defenders, and goes down. He needed to give himself up there. Hopefully he learns that. Now I get if you mean grand scheme kinda Zen not letting things "concern" you about anything in the unfeeling universe. That being said as a Colts fan I am not sure how one could be "unconcerned" with AR's health going forward since he has gotten injured in every NFL game he's played thus far and only finished one. They were all different injuries too. I think I totally agree with your assessment of AR. He's getting all this praise about how "great" he's been and he's been less that starter material by most statistical measures. He currently has a 45 QBR according to ESPN, and one of the worst passer ratings of NFL starters. He looks like a legit NFL player/starter, but other than that he looks just like he did in college. Flashes of incredible talent marred by inaccuracy. Still not sure about this kid going forward. I don't see a pathway of him being any good though unless he's as running type of Hurts, Jackson, Newton type of guy

Yeah, me personally, if the club believes AR isn't going to be able to be a running QB and stay healthy ala Jalen Hurts so far, Newton for half a dozen years, LJ, then we need to move on and move on now. There can't be a legitimate argument for a dude with that kind of inaccuracy becoming a pocket QB. He is going to be a running QB or he is not going to be a legit NFL starter IMO.

If Caleb Williams is available when we pick. We almost certainly pick him. You can trade AR for a decent return, and Williams is widely considered one of the best prospects at QB that has been seen.

Well there’s more than arm strength involved. Brady through fine to the boundaries. And every other throw. And there is nothing in that article that suggests that the throw to the boundary is easier than the throw over the middle.

There is certainly been a liberal use of the word wrong on this site lol.

You watched any of them Supe? What’s going on over there? I’m surprised at the record. I didn’t like Young’s height and in the couple games I watched he just looked like a typical BAMA QB carving up inferior defenses, but his numbers so far are as bad as it gets really. Evidence supports Frank being kind to QBs. I wasn’t a huge supporter of FR overall, but his QBs outperformed themselves under FR. He’s been using vets not rooks though. Not surprised a rookie would come in looking bad but it looks pretty bad on paper.

I’m not sure if I agree with this. Like at all. The hardest throws to make are to the boundary. Seams are easier, more direct throws. Maybe Hurts struggled with it but that doesn’t necessarily that it’s harder to do for most. Hurts is short by NFL standards which would increase the difficulty by making it harder to find windows to throw through. Do you have some evidence of that? I’ve never heard that before. Traditionally, that was the determining factor if a player could be an NFL QB. Did he have the arm strength and accuracy to push the ball downfield to the boundary from the pocket. Yes AR has thrown some really nice balls down the middle. But again man I part company. Throws to the boundary are sometimes floated but they also often need to be electric * rockets that arrive when the receiver opens up. He’s pretty good outside the numbers on the move and often throws side Arm when he does and seems really accurate when throwing from the side. I’ve said in a post maybe it is not as necessary to hit those throws from the pocket with Next Gen QBs. The jury is still hearing testimony on that one.

This is when I would have started considering playing Richardson anyway. I am for developing AR when healthy at this point. However, I think it's somewhat clear that Minshew is the more effective NFL QB right now and gives the team an increased chance of winning games right now.

Do we have a better chance to win games this year with Minshew?

When AR plays again he struggles outside the numbers and will likely heavily target tight ends, throws he’s already good at.