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No I'm talking about the possibility of sitting AR from time to time this season. Before I'd offer my opinions on why I'd consider that, I'd be interested on why you wouldn't consider it in good ole fashioned numbered point @Superman fashion. Keeping in mind Supe that there are many different thngs happening these days that were not thought possible 5-10 years ago including drafting a QB like AR with the 4th pick.

@Superman Quick version on AR. Like a lot of what I see. The accuracy to the boundary from the pocket is not NFL level. Guy will be OK at the least while healthy. Top tier type of guy? Don't know yet. What is your opinion on AR after seeing him this last month?

It happened on the play that was posted here to Pierce and it happened on a run that I noted while I was watching. I know of those two for sure. Why is it untenable? Tua had that rigid problem. It would be good for AR. Yep don't jog. Although AR is a stud physically he has to learn that every other player in the league is a bad mo fo too. He's young and competitive. He'll either learn the easy way or the hard way like all of us

And Supe another thing I'm talking about is the technique of getting tackled and there is technique in getting tackled. Not just when to run OB etc, which is important. There's a kinda point when you have to surrender your body and not stay rigid and straight. You kinda let your legs go, and go a little fetal instead of fighting the inevitiable.

Oh this isn't geometry or engineering. Certainty isn't possible. Young, dumb, and well you know . . . I'd like to see 2 weeks in a row without his head recoiling off the turf. And like I said in another post, I'd consider load management.

Yeah I said that thing about a rookie in another quote. There might be something to it. That rookies might not develop as quickly under FR. Or It could be coincidence but for Frank's 1st 4 years here 4 different QBs had their best year or their best year in years year. There could be other factors, but it's an unlikely series of happy accidents if that's the case.

I think you are right about CJ's test if I recall. The thing about QBing is that it's possible for a guy to be so studied up before hand, knowing what the progressions are and having that kind of reading and progressions done before hand rather than processing it all. I don't know if this is understandable. But CJ might have a more like If A then B, If not A then etc. and have that simplified rather than thinking about cover 2 safety with a TE clearing out with downfield and a option route depending on the depth of the LB etc. Don't know if that makes sense and don't know if that is what he's doing. But the game is too fast for a lot of guys with really good physical skills. I don't know man. I'm telling you if he keeps bouncing his head he will not be able to do this for long. I think it's more important for him to learn to protect himself than win games right now. He doesn't appear to know how to do it.

Must be the poster lol.

Sure . All I’m saying is that was not a great throw. Defender stays up right it hits him in the small of his back or he turns around and make a play on that particular throw,

Got that same scar tissue lol.

I’m definitely contrarian but I’m not aBSer. I actually believe the things I say and I’m much less dogamatic than it appears and most of my posts reflect skepticism of my own opinions and possibilities of re assessing. I do get infights with dogmatic personal attacking posters but I’m going to try to ignore that kind of nonsense. the only reason I’d sit AR is load management. He’s really getting his head beat in. even though I thin GM gives us a little better chance to win games it’s not enough to sit Ar for that reason. His development is more important than wins I dint see us playoff caliber but in the South it might be possible.

jalen has two elite receivers for sure but he is a very accurate passer anyway and always was. Despite the great athletic talent he has he looks like a little old grandma out there next to Anthony. but hurts ran the ball 160 times last year and is averaging 10 runs per this year most of which are called runs and I strenuously disagree that AR will be a star without running alot.

I didn’t like Young but huge grain of salt lol, I don’t judge CFB prospects. But he was the front runner from all I heard. IDK man. Not a huge Frank fan but I think it takes some mental gymnastics and or a bias not to see that QBs performed well statistically under him. we might be able to say it was fools gold but statistically it’s astronomical coincidental that all,those guys had great stat years under him if he’s bad at coaching QBs. Not I will say all those dudes were vets and maybe it takes a while dir rooks with Frank, hes never developed a rook. Young has played 3 games. We used to not judge QBs until year 3 lol, and we used to actually go outside and play as kids read about the stats in the newspaper the next morning and walk to school in the snow barefoot uphill both ways. but statistically it’s not good so far. yeah the lineman was just a 1 off but his head bounced off the turf at Least twice hard I remembered one on a of run 10 or so yards and then just saw the Donald hit that someone here posted. That’s got to stop happening so frequently. I’m not separating but some guys are. Hurts is elite. Because he runs so well. Agree.

I’d only focused on 1 CJ Stroud game, that semi final he was so good in and was just wondering WTH people were talking about. He looked great under pressure and though no burner he ran effectively that game too. I didn’t know Bryce Young was a top prospect until watching maybe the last BAMA regular season game when it became clear INdy was going to ahem earn a very high pick. He looked like a Munchkin and I thought he must have been a burner and my older son who follows BAMA a little said no he’s a pocket guy and passer. He probably had a million yards and a thousand TDs, but it just looked like any other BAMA game to me ie. Pretty QB friendly with days to throw and do your nails in the pocket and guys coming open with miles of space and just utter BAMA style dominance. I’d never even heard of Anthony Richardson until someone here mentioned him when I was talking about the KY mayonnaise eating kids release point reminding me of the pretty girl you can’t stop looking at that might not really be the marrying kind. Was that you who mentioned him? After seeing some tape on him I was thinking this guy is not a 1st rounder with the inaccuracy but thought maybe someone might take a chance mid to late. He was super hyped at the combine for obvious reasons but I really thought that was hype. SS and CB were preaching QB accuracy and then drafted this guy. But that processing test thing really struck me and then I really focused on watching the kid and you could see the calmness and feel for the pocket he shows now. I’m still not sure if he’s going to be a guy that can stay up this league and be a great QB on a great team but I see what they saw in him and and optimistic as long as his brain don’t turn into oatmeal dribbling off the turf. I would consider load management on the dude right now and I wonder if NFL will ever do it. He might really benefit from 3rd week or so. Rest the brain and body. Watch and be involved in hearing and seeing what’s happening from the sideline. Then he could spend like a whole week not preparing for the opponent but working with whoever his throwing technique guru is on certain subtle techniques. If he’s going to have a technique overhaul that will obviously need to be in the off season,

I haven’t seen a single down of Young, but using ESPN, his QBR is 25 which is as bad as it gets and his passer rating is 75. I don’t know what’s going on over there at all, but the notion that Reich produces bad QB numbers is an untenable position to take statistically. Luck had the best year of his career under Reich, Wentz had a QBR 20 + points higher than the season before and the season after, Rivers had a major bounce back year with 2 bad ankles, and for a couple months, some deluded media types thought of Jacoby friggin Brissett as an MVP candidate. Ryan sucked but he sucked way worse under ole Jeff and was clearly washed up. Not a huge Reich guy but his system historically appears very QB friendly. Ie. Young is clearly not ready and or headed for a bust. Not passing judgement on the little guy but he’s been godawful statistically so far. That much is clear. AR and CJS are multiverses better so far. AR has a decent QBR of 53.5 but a pedestrian passer rating of 85.4. Most of his decent QBR is a function of his running and scrambling to avoid big losses. Some people are having difficulty adjusting to the reality of the dual threat QB in 2023 but AR overall is doing all right. Not near as well as some people here think but he’s doing OK. I’ll keep saying it but the dude is going to have to figure out how to get tackled better and help himself prevent his head from bouncing off the turf or he’s not going to last the season. There are lots of ways to help minimize this but it’s a real issue IMo. But performance wise he’s doing fine and to me it’s clear he can start in this league while healthy. CJ stroud has a little better QBR than AR at 57.5 and a miles better passer rating at 100.6. The main reason that his QBR isn’t way better than AR is that he took 11 sacks his first two games. He’s taken 0 in the last 2 which is almost implausible. Don’t know what he’s done the last two. Maybe Tunsil is playing? He’s been coached up a little? He and the Texans dominated PItt and if TJW played its Uber impressive not to take a single sack. If not it’s still pretty good. CJ is making a star out of Nico Collins so far. Very impressive pocket passing rookie. CJ looks like a stud to me. AR has shown flashes. The big questions are developing accuracy and to me the bigger issue is the damage he’s accumulating with his playing style. Every NFL defender is an animal of an athlete and he’s got to learn to protect himself and to realize that these guys are way bigger stronger faster than college guys. Point being I don’t think ARs brain will be able to sustain the damage it must be taking so far. I think that that new test they give prospects that tests spatial processing speed or whatever might take a lot of the guesswork out of prospects. You can see clearly that AR is able to slow the game down mentally. To me his college tape does not look like an NFL QB with the throwing issues. People were wowed by the combine numbers and the deep throws but I was struck by the inaccuracy when throwing to the boundary on air at the combine. But after hearing about the mental processing number and of course seeing the physical beastness obvious talent, I was more optimistic. I think all this is playing out. The athletic talent and processing speed is allowing him to look decent even though the throwing is erratic. I’d definitely rather have CJ and he was my tepid favorite going into the draft. I don’t make CFB to NFL predictions. Don’t watch much CFB and it’s hard for everyone including NFL FOs to project that position coming into the league with all the busts year after year. I wanted Leaf in 98. As long as AR stays healthy it looks like he’s at the least NFL starter level. If his throwing improves he might be great someday.

I’m talking work out techniques. High intensity training is probably leading to tendinitis which makes the Achilles more likely to rupture. Football practices aren’t the junction boys style any more. These athletes body and conditioning work is done in the gym.

Silver lining though. New surgical techniques make the chances of recovery much greater than just a few years ago.

I think it might be over training. Ruptures do appear to be increasing. It be interested to know if that’s factual. one thing is certain though these guys put more pressure on this body part than nature intended.

Just before that I think he showed really good closing speed on a ball to the boundary. We had a roomful. When they showed the replay we were immediately all like he’s done When a guy goes down like he’s been shot with no one around it’s usually a season ending type of deal

Man I know it can be taken that way but AR ain’t listening to me. I’m just saying that was an ill advised throw. Probably one he needs to protect himself and not make. Thats the main thing that is concerning to me with AR. He’s taking some massive hits and that is a play I’d be shocked if he wasn’t advised to protect himself since the guy wasn’t open. You got an open guy that’s when it’s worth getting hit in mouth by AD. That one he’s going to be coached up to eat I should think. he’s getting the crap bear out of him

It’s underthrown and was a fortunate completion. I seriously doubt if SS is going to tell him he wants to see him make that throw there. I don’t remember the down and distance. If it’s 3rd then taking the chance is OK but it’s UNDERSTANDIBLY underthrown.

No I’m just saying it wasn’t accurate and either hits the defender in the back or if he turns he has a chance to int. He’s got an incredibly strong arm. I can’t load the screen shot cause it says the file is too big but if you freeze at 9 secs or so it will be clear what I’m saying.

Just disagree . Pierce catches this one around Jimmy level. No chance for the completion if the defender keeps his feet. It would hit him in the back or if he turned around about shoulder level. Pierce doesn’t need to jumo

He hits his head but that’s not roughing. He was whipped around not slammed down IMO. Donald doesn’t even follow him to the turf let alone land on him. Fair hit. I’ve been talking about him bouncing his head that might be the play I’m thinking of.

The guy panicked and held down Pierces arm for some reason the way I remember it and got a PI. Wired play. Pierce might have played it up by kinda rehooking that defenders arm.