richard pallo
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43 minutes ago, cdgacoltsfan said:
Colts fan from Canandaigua here but admit I didnt go to the Ralph for this pre-season game. Too many knuckleheads at that place.
You are right about the fans. I have had some bad experiences there. We went because it was preseason and we thought it wouldn't be too bad. No problems. There was lots of security inside as well. Maybe they have it under control now. Not sure though. I live in Farmington. I meet up with Colts fans at the Distillary on Monroe Ave. for the games. We are there for most games. We have our own section on the second floor. It's a long drive but we have a lot of fun. Please stop buy if you get a chance.
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I was at the game with some Colts fans from Rochester. Behind our bench ,8 rows up on the 25. A good number of Colts fans in attendance. Security was unbelievable. Where we were huge bolders put in place before you walk up to the gates. No vehicles could drive through. Huge police and armed presence. Armored vehicles at our entrance with camouflaged swat teams. Wasn't expecting that. A few observations. Philbin never stops coaching. The OL was in front of us and he never stopped coaching during the game, beginning to end. I didn't watch the big TV screen much but focused on the players I could see from our low seats. I thought Reitz and AC could have played better but they were OK. Our rookie OL played well. All of them. Surprised at how well Clark played, Haag looked solid as did Blyth in the last qtr. Kelly and Good are big men. Our line looked huge. Harrison looked okay at center and guard. We have some real good prospects on the OL. Thornton better get back soon. Green is a big safety and looks like a great athlete. I felt better about him after seeing him play. Bates looked good too and appeared to know his assignments. Okine and Mcgill looked very good. Ridgeway played well too. My first impression on our draft class was very high. We could have some surprise cuts at the end. I know it's only the first preseason game but the rookies collectively made a solid debut.
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Actually going to the game tomorrow in Buffalo. Driving to Buffalo from Rochester with a group of Colts fans for our first time at a preseason game.
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7 hours ago, NewColtsFan said:
I don't know if Thornton is on thin ice or not. I hope if Good wins the starting RG job, that Thornton is kept as the back-up. I'll be disappointed if he's not kept on the roster.
I think Thornton is a guy who can take his game to another level with Philbin......
Thornton better hurry up and get healthy. The rookies are Philbins picks. His availability could be his downfall. Every practice he misses hurts his chances. Thornton has had plenty of chances to earn a spot. Now the competition is much tougher. We will see.
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I really think Thornton has to get back in the mix fast. I know he's pencilled in as the starter and he's a good player when healthy but that's his problem. He can't stay healthy. The more playing time the rookies and other players receive over him the tougher it gets. His lack of availability could be his downfall, and even a roster spot, if the rookies stand out in his absence.
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I am looking forward to seeing Haeg this preseason. Howard likes Haeg and Robert likes Bates. Two rookies to keep an eye on . I wouldn't underestimate Good though. I think he could be our version of K. Osemele. Not drafted high but became a force on the line and cashed in big last year in FA.
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Since last year the team has been very excited and complimentary about Good. I really think he could become a real special player for us. Along the lines of K. Osemele who I don't think was a high draft pick either and who the Ravens couldn't afford to keep last year. This could be his breakout year.
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No one has mentioned Harrison yet and he took most of the first teams reps at RG in the OTA's because of Thorntons injury. He could be the wild card. That said I think they both need to have a great camp and preseason. They didn't draft all of these OL for nothing and they were Philbin's picks. I could easily see us moving on from one or both of them. They both really have to be feeling the pressure right now.
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58 minutes ago, Superman said:
You were right in that the best way to get him would have been to trade for him now. I still think it would have been too risky, with the injury, and probably too costly, with the high pick and the big contract.
Thanks, I thought it was the way to go but who knows. Maybe the price was to high, maybe we were not interested and didn't even explore it. I guess we have to hope our injuries heal up and our players can stay on the field. Maybe Ridgeway really surprises. Knowing Grigson he still might try to upgrade the roster before the regular season is under way.
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No Way! Yes Way! Never saw that one coming. Now we have to go to plan B. Whatever that is. Any young stud DL/ER we could pry away from a non contender or do we wait for free agency next year?
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37 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:
I decided to look for myself about available cap space.
Currently the Colts rank 10th. And we're a distant 10th. We've got roughly $13 Mill in space.
The top 4 teams, the 49ers, Browns, Jags and Panthers have roughly 2 to 3 times more than the Colts do.
49ers, $49 Mill, Browns, $41 Mill, Jags, $40 Mill, and the Panthers have $28 Mill. The Colts have $13 Mill.
Even if we're willing to give up a 2nd, don't you think the 49ers would too? Or the Browns? Or the Jags? Those teams have lots more space than the Colts, PLUS their 2nd round pick will likely be much higher than ours. That doesn't say "drivers seat" to me...
Here's the whole list for you to see.
Good information. The article I read specifically mentioned two or three teams that would make sense for them to make a trade for Moe with us being the front runner with the cap space to do it. I guess we will find out soon.
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1 hour ago, NewColtsFan said:
I'm sorry, but I think the odds that the Colts are in the drivers seat are right around Slim and None.
They are only in the drivers seat if the Jets want to trade him this year. We would be their best option. They wanted to trade him before this years draft and found no one to pay their asking price. Now circumstances have changed. For us too now that Andrew is locked up. It's really up to the Jets to revisit the idea of moving him this year. Maybe they won't, maybe we are happy with our DL prospects and will not be interested. I guess time will tell, but If I was Ryan I would try to make a deal.
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2 hours ago, NewColtsFan said:
You completely missed my point.
Even if they'll take a 2nd, don't you think another team with a higher 2nd round pick would do the deal? Why wouldn't they?
Our 2nd is not going to be enough. So, how much more are you willing to offer?
You missed my point. There are only one or two teams that have the cap space now to absorb a franchise tag hit now for 2016. We are in the drivers seat to acquire him for this season. We don't have to wait for 2017 cap space to do the deal. If we wait until next year and he plays this year for the Jets then yes the competition opens up. If the Jets trade him now they free up the tag cap space which they could use on Fitzpatrick. If they keep Moe this year then they have to find space somewhere else on the roster, other cuts or restructuring. I would trade our 1st in 2017 to get Moe if we had to. He has more than proved himself to be a young elite player in this league. No guarantee of that with a draft pick. And he could change our defense this year not 2017. It is not often you have the opportunity to acquire a player of this caliber and not face heavy competition from the rest of the league. I think the timing of the circumstances is perfect for us. I hope we do it.
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7 hours ago, NewColtsFan said:
First off..... I don't think the Jets would trade Wilkerson for a 2nd. Why would they?
Second..... even if I'm wrong, and they'd take a 2nd, odds are we still couldn't get him because someone who will end up with a higher 2nd than we will would offer their 2nd round pick and then we'd be stuck.
We'd have to offer more than a 2nd, or a 1st, and hope that a team with a higher first wouldn't offer their number one.
We're a long way for getting Wilkerson. Too many things would have to go right. And fitting him under the cap this year is easier said than done.....
The idea is you make the trade after the franchise deadline expires this Friday . He would play for us this year under the tag. He would be our player and with our cap space next year we then sign him to a long term deal. We are one of a very few teams who could still make the trade with enough cap space to do it this year. The Jets are really up against the wall with cap space and they need to sign Fitzpatrick soon. They couldn't get a 1st. round pick for him this year and reports say they would be willing to take less now. As I have posted before I would make the trade now for all the reasons loudnproudcolt has mentioned. Too me this trade makes so much sense and you would not be competing with all of the other teams next year. I am keeping my fingers crossed that Ryan makes the deal. What an addition he would make!
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8 hours ago, Narcosys said:
Yes it does. Either year really but you have to look at all the pros and cons mentioned above and decide if he is a player you want to try to bring to your team and if the answer is yes then next comes when.
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5 minutes ago, Superman said:
Your point is taken. I get where you're coming from, and it's a legit thought. Again, take him off the market by making the proactive move right now.
I think it's too risky. First, the leg injury. Trading a high pick for a player who might be damaged is problematic. Add in the long term contract for BIG money, and I think there's too much potential for failure and longer term damage to the team.
If you trade for him and keep him on the tag, the whole rationale for trading for him is undermined, because you're not taking him off the market in 2017. Sure, you have the second tag, but that's prohibitive. And you've given him $16m for what could be a substandard year.
Even if he proved to be worth the pick and the contract, you're somewhat undermining the 'build through the draft' direction that this team has to stick to, especially now that Luck is paid. Add in another big contract, and you can't afford to give up high picks. If you give up the pick and he doesn't live up to expectations, it's even worse. I like him a lot, but the risk exists, and shouldn't be ignored.
If he has a great season with the Jets on the tag, then I'd be more than happy to break the bank for him, personally. If he doesn't want to entertain the Colts, oh well, but I'd make a very competitive offer for him as soon as the tampering period opens, using the structure in my OP. He'd have proven that he's over the injury, and his production would validate the offer. I'd get to keep my high pick, and I'd still be able to retain my pending FAs if I want, including extending Moncrief and Mewhort before they hit free agency. I wouldn't plan on going after any other compensatory free agents, either.
Big money for a veteran FA, but I'm still building through the draft, and I've somewhat minimized the risk.
I'm already getting rid of Gore, Jackson and Jones. I'd be open to moving on from Langford to lower the team's cash output.
I understand your thinking and it is probably the one the Colts will take. I think in order for the tag strategy to work he would have to accept the understanding that 2017 would be his big year. Would he rather play for the Jets or us? In order to get his big contract he would have to have a great 2016 no matter who he plays for. That could be for us and we would have the cap space to do it in 2017. We would still have that 2nd. tag option but I would have to think with that cap they could get it done. The injury is a concern and the trade off of the draft pick. But given Andrews injury I would bet a lot of teams would have traded for him if given the opportunity. Willing to take the risk. I think building through the draft is the way to go as well. He is the only kind of player I would be willing to trade a high pick for, Von Miller too. He is like Andrew entering his prime, young and proven. Even a high draft pick is not a guarantee of success. I would explore trading for him now with the Jets and given permission his agent and Moe himself to see where his mind is. You can get doctors involved as well. There is risk involved but I would hope they would at least explore the possibility. My guess is we will probably stand pat and hope our current players can do the job.
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23 hours ago, Superman said:
I agree with that. I'm not sure he'd make enough of a difference to put the Colts into contention. In the AFC, I still think the Pats, Steelers, maybe Bengals, probably Broncos would be a step ahead. No question that Wilkerson would make the Colts better, which is why I want him.
I also agree that by trading for him and banging out a deal now, you take him off the free agent market.
The problem is a) the pick, or picks, and b) the cash. It's easy to spend someone else's money. And it's easy to downplay the significance of the draft picks that it would take to get the Jets to trade him. There's a reason they didn't get a deal done before the draft.
Last thing, something I hadn't mentioned but was part of my thinking, he's coming off a broken leg. I assume he'll be fine, but letting him play out the tag for the Jets mitigates that risk for any other team that might be interested. I wouldn't want to drop a bunch of guaranteed money on him when I haven't seen proof that he's over the leg injury. That's probably the biggest reason NOT to do it now.
I did read that the Jets would most likely have to take a 2nd. round pick now. They tried for a 1st. and maybe more and were not able to get it. I and many others think he is worth a 1st. It is easy for us to spend other peoples money but I think most of these owners are in it to win. They have to do it within the parameters of smart cap management and cash outlay but I think these owners have the cash. The timing of these transactions have to be taken into account though. The injury is something to think about but at age 26 I am not too concerned. Maybe it makes more sense to bring him in under the tag this year? He would be motivated and more likely to get paid by us in 2017 than by the Jets. He might view us as a legitimate contender and be okay with it. Also by signing him to a long term deal next year his future deal most likely would not come due at the same time as Andrews thus avoiding a potential problem. If he plays for the Jets this year our leverage is lost and the competition opens up. The chances of us drafting a player of his caliber at 18 or later in the future is pretty slim. I am all in for doing it this year because of his age, his proven status and our current advantage which is lost next year. I think he would be a difference maker on defense and help make the other players around him more productive. You have to take advantage of your opportunities. To me this just makes to much sense.
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1 hour ago, Superman said:
LOL at the bolded part. The one time Polian did anything like this was the Corey Simon deal, and that bit him so hard he never even considered a deal like that again.
The Colts can technically afford to grab Wilkerson now. They have enough cap space / flexibility to make the numbers work.
I think you're ignoring the cash, though. I posted in the other thread where we were discussing this, the Colts are at ~$180m in cash this season, with a cap number of ~$150m. That's $30m in commitments that are already being pushed into future years (a lot of it for Luck, so that's fine). To get Wilkerson under contract will cost at least $30m in Year 1, so you're putting the Colts at $210m in cash, at least.
You also have to give up a high pick, probably a first rounder. Even if it's a second, that's a significant price, especially in tandem with a $17-19m/year contract.
Answer/explain for me: Does adding Wilkerson in 2016 make the Colts a serious SB contender?
I think adding Wilkerson this year does make us a serious SB contender. He is not only great against the run but he can put pressure on the QB and has had a number of double digit sack years I believe, Also, Jones has not been able to stay healthy and Anderson is also coming off a serious injury. He would be a huge upgrade to our defense. The question of the cash commitments is another story. Yes it would be a huge undertaking but Moe is only 26 like Luck with many years ahead of him. I suppose there is also the possibility of him playing for us under the franchise tag and giving him his big contract next year in 2017. If he stays with the Jets he is most likely playing under the tag anyway. With us he would be on a contender with his big payday the following year. Personally I would acquire him now. With a draft pick you never know how it is going to turn out, Moe has already proven himself. A talent like Moe is rarely available at a young age. I don't see the benefit of waiting another year when so much could change and the advantage we have today would be gone.
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They can afford Wilkerson today. It's not just me saying this but other reporters who are closer to this than us are saying this. Now that Luck is signed Grigson can go after Moe now. Why wait a year when he could be playing for us this year. Only a few teams can afford him right now. We are one of them. Next year it's wide open again. The Jets tried to trade him this year before the draft. They need cap space. I am sure if we are interested there is a way to make it happen. This would be a win win trade for both sides. A talent like this available when we have the inside track is an unbelievable stroke of luck. We have to pounce now. I think Polian would jump at this opportunity, I only hope Jim and Ryan see it as well.
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34 minutes ago, Superman said:
I think this is a nonstarter. Setting aside the draft pick, the Colts are committed to ~$180m in cash in 2016. I don't think they'll be adding another $30m to sign Wilkerson. I don't even think they'd add the $16m to keep him for one year on the tag.
I think they should make a run at him as a free agent in 2017. And I still doubt they do that.
We will probably know in a few weeks. I think if they really wanted to sign him they would find a way to do it this year. I think even the franchise tag is a possibility. They will have plenty of space next year to sign him long term. Get him now and we don't have to make a run next year when the competition heats up. The Jets need relief now. Now is the time that makes sense IMO.
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Now that Luck is signed, and I have said this before, I hope they now turn their attention to trading for Moe Wilkerson. We could trade next years no. 2 and maybe Jones as well if necessary. The Jets need the cap space and we have it for Mo. . He's also 26 and entering his prime years. He could be a cornerstone player on our defense for many years to come. The deadline to sign the franchise tag is July 15th. As far as I know he hasn't signed yet. Maybe Ryan can make the big trade. We get Mo they get the cap space for Fitzpatrick.
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I think Thornton will need a big camp to keep the RG spot. He's had three years to claim it and he hasn't been able to. Harrison needs a big camp just to make the team for the same reason. We didn't draft all of these OL for nothing. It appears they really like Good and I think he's the favorite to win the job given the history of Thornton and Harrison. I think we will move on with our young draft class at the expense of Thornton and or Harrison unless they have a monster camp and preseason.
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11 hours ago, BOTT said:
Why do you have a bad feeling about Anderson? He was never going to be ready week 1.
Well, initially the reports were very optimistic that he would be and now have taken a different slant. The injury did come in the middle of the season. He has the benefit of team trainers and the best rehab equipment. My 42 year old son tore his ACL in March playing soccer. They reattached it using a part they grafted from his body not a cadaver. His rehab is going great and expects to play again in January. He is older and not a professional athlete. I guess I was expecting the earlier reports to be more accurate. If it is a long recovery and Jones is ,for sure, not a sure thing I think our line could become a big concern. I am probably over reacting. Maybe because he is a heavy lineman it takes longer? I guess I am not getting a good feeling that's all. I would expect younger professional athletes to recover quicker.
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