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28 minutes ago, aaron11 said:
people take stuff ballard says way too literally. remember how everyone though we were going to build the trenches in this draft? i think he just doesnt want to spend much in free agency unless its a dire need, and even then he still wont unless he really likes the player
The Cult of Ballard hangs on every word lol....
Just like folks were quoting him up and down on WRs, and were adamant we wouldn't take one in the early rounds.
I'm sure he means most of the stuff he says, when he says it...., but situations change all the time, and he reacts based on that. And I'm sure Irsay is a factor to an extent.
We didn't spend a bunch, but we did get two FAs that weren't cheap.
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On 5/16/2019 at 11:36 PM, Chloe6124 said:
Doyle or Ebron? Ebron is going to stay. He loves it here. AS long as the colts want him back and they offer market value he is not going anywhere. He knows how good he has it. He even mentioned how much his wife loves it here also.
I was talking about Doyle. Indy will give Ebron what they need to keep him here assuming all goes well this year. I think Doyle can get more elsewhere compared to what we'll offer.
He's aging, and coming off injury, but still only 2 years for the 17 ProBowl.
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31 minutes ago, Chloe6124 said:
I don’t see Doyle seeking a huge contract or will his performance demand it. I don’t see any team at his age giving him a huge contract. Ebron will demand more most likely but it isn’t going to be anything more then Kelce. Like said above he isn’t a QB Or a pass rusher. He will probably get something in the range of 10m a year for 3 years.
i can see him getting a larger, longer, contract with some other team.
nothing huge or long term, i just think he'll do better elsewhere.
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7 hours ago, Chloe6124 said:
Doyle is going to be 30. I dont think he is going to require more then a two year deal. My guess he will take a little bit of a discount since he is a hometown guy. I doubt at this time in his career he is wanting to switch teams. It’s all going to end up how he plays after this injury.
Ebron loves it here. He might get a big deal but I think he will want to stay here.
As a fan of IN Catholic HSs, and have family at Cathedral still, would love to see him retire here. I just know if I was him, I'd try to get one more big contract. TEs can be productive into their early and mid 30s. Heck isn't Antonio Gates still playing at 38 lol.
Just not sure he'll take less, and I don't really want to pay top TE pay to two guys.
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2 hours ago, Chloe6124 said:
I think they are different. They are both important to this team. I think we resign both as long as Doyle comes back healthy.
Ebrons leadership is hard to replace.
Last year, we spent the most on TE of any team (although we got a break in "official" spend due to Doyle going on IR).
I just don't see them signing both to high dollar contracts long term. If Doyle is cheap, would love to have him back, but we can get a youngster in the draft (middle rounds) on a cheap rookie contract to be Ebron's understudy plus be the blocking/run-downs TE.
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Ebron
Pros - Age (26), speed (4.6), health, burst, production
Cons - drops
Doyle
Pros - was not drafted a Colt, but has spent 5 of 6 years here, not a great blocker, but better than Ebron.
Cons - health, age (29), lack of production due to health, speed (4.91), drops (in 2017 had 5)
Hands down Ebron all day, every day. Doyle will need a monster year if he wants to close the gap, and I can't see that happening with the addition of Funchess (TE production will probably decrease overall).
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5 minutes ago, JPFolks said:
Keep in mind.. a D- is a passing grade. He'd pass Football Predictions 101: Entry to making money on as little work as possible.
You are too kind my friend lol
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6 hours ago, NewColtsFan said:
No. It didn’t.
Neither of them do what Inman does.
Inman gets open. He doesn’t have great speed or quickness. But he runs great routes. He reads defenses. He catches the ball. He developed great chemistry with Luck inside of a week.
He’s a reliable professional receiver.
There’s almost akways room for a guy line that on any roster. I’m sorry he’s not on ours.
Inman was ranked 105th in target separation, and was 14th in cushion allowed. That means he wasn't crowded or pressed by the D, but still was pretty bad in terms of creating/maintaining separation.
Also to note, he was much, much better when coming out of the slot (which about 30% of his snaps were from). At X, he was pretty pedestrian. I really don't think his routes were all that sharp either.
I've said plenty of times that I really like Inman, but there's only so much room. I'm happy with the PC, DF, and DC (coming back) tradeoff, and I'm sure Luck is too. I'm really happy he found a team, just wish it wasn't the Pats.
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7 hours ago, JPFolks said:
I think we posted at a similar time, me asking for a comparison but you had just offered one on the second page. Same wavelength, but you did the leg work. Thanks!
I have to be fair and say his predictions were within reason of reality for the most part. No idea why he EVER thought Detroit would be top 10, but alas..
Lists are fun, but it is MORE fun to compare the results with the predictions. I give this guy a passing grade, but not sure how much better it was than any reasonable person here would have made.
Thanks again for posting this @Irish YJ
No problem JPF.
Not sure I'm giving him a pass. He had several big whiffs.
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12 hours ago, krunk said:
Probably Kenny Moore #1 option and Nate Hairston #2 option for Nickel. In Dime I think you could see the same 2 guys. Or if Rock isn't starting on the outside you may see Rock get some inside work in Dime. Or maybe Quincy Wilson if Rock is starting on the outside.
A buddy of mine (Temple fan) thinks RYS can play anywhere. Said he's so raw and athletic (and smart), he'll be a monster just about anywhere with good coaching once he settles in. Not saying I buy all of it, but I do know he's got some amazing highlights.
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16 hours ago, Coltsfan66 said:
@Irish YJ thanks for posting this. I am wondering if Banogu may be utilized like Marcus Washington was at the Sam under Dungy? Also, the nickle CB position should be interesting to watch unfold. Last year Quincy came in and Moore moved inside. My guess would be that either Rock challenges him or either Pierre/Moore? Should be fun to watch this all shake out!
I'm still trying to figure out our D lol.... I think it will evolve more this season in year 2. I've watched all the vid on Eb's D, and read the articles. He didn't exactly follow his own vids last year lol, but that's likely due to personnel limitations. Not that he will not continue to evolve, or game plan vs specific teams, but I think we'll see a bit more of what he advertised (some of his vids) earlier.
I wasn't all that hyped on RYS when drafted (I wasn't disappointed), but I'm starting to warm up to him a bunch.
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19 hours ago, Smonroe said:
TY is decent at getting in the way. When Grant was here he wasn’t exactly a threat at ... anything. Chester is a good blocker, but he’s sneaky and they could probably call holding on him every time. Pascal was probably the best, which is why he’s in there an so many run plays.
Ebron hasnt thrown a block since ninth grade. I’m not sure about Funchess. Don’t expect Parris to knock anyone back.
It is a skill that goes unnoticed by most fans when it comes to receivers.
I'm typically drinking beer or stuffing my face while watching games, so I won't pretend to know the blocking capabilities of most, but I do remember Ebron laying the wood to someone last year. Not saying he's a good blocker, I just recall it because my buddy called it out.
And yup, Rogers gets the job done. I remember either Luck or Reich giving him props.
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14 hours ago, John Hammonds said:
Thanks for the stats, Irish. And you make a good point. What's the likelihood of Banogu's "staying in there"? How is it going to affect things, situationally, 1st down nickel package vs 3rd down nickel package? On first down nickel, he would come out, and we would use our starting DL. On 3rd down, he would stay in, but would slide up to DE.
I hope you're right about Quincy. I'm rooting for him to put it all together to start.
It's going to be interesting to see how things pan out. With his lack of pass rush polish, not sure we'll see him early sliding into DE over Houston or others on 3rd. Hope he's a quick study and can pick up some solid technique coaching that he didn't get at TCU.
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2 minutes ago, Coltsman1788 said:
Good article Irish. Thanks for the link! As a general rule though I don’t think we are allowed to post the full text of an article on this board. Due to copyright concerns, etc. I made that mistake myself during my earlier days on the boards. However, providing the link to articles is fine. Just a heads up. I enjoyed the read.
Thinks for the heads up! On other boards, as long as it's not premium/paid-for content, if you use quotes, and cite via link, you're fine. I'm happy to follow whatever rules are on this board.
Mods, any feedback?
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Just looked at SAM snap counts. Good was only on the field 6.11% of defensive snaps. Franklin only 16.81% of snaps. So really only used a SAM only about 23% of the time on D.
Regarding Wilson, we use so many CBs in subpackages, I think Wilson will be fine. I agree though that RYS will move up pretty quickly. Wouldn't be shocked if he was starting by mid season if he can polish quickly.
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anyone want to project the nickel and dime depth charts for the D. interested to see some opinions on the possibilities.
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Like the first sentence, it will change, and change a lot, but found some of their comments interesting.
QuoteINDIANAPOLIS – It will change, and change a lot in the coming months.
The Colts have their first 90-man roster of 2019 and that will group will take part in 11-on-11 sessions later this month as the competition ramps up.
With veterans and rookies beginning to participate later this month in full team settings, let’s take a glance at a possible depth chart this spring.
Here is a look at an early depth chart, with some educated guesses on where guys might be right now:
OFFENSIVE DEPTH CHART
Quarterbacks: Andrew Luck, Jacoby Brissett, Phillip Walker
Bowen’s Analysis: Brissett will be the backup to Luck for a third straight year.
Running Backs: Marlon Mack, Nyheim Hines, Jordan Wilkins, Spencer Ware, Jonathan Williams
Bowen’s Analysis: For now, we will place Ware behind Wilkins. If Ware can prove his health though, he’s going to have a great shot at moving up the depth chart and possibly being the ‘backup’ to Mack, with Hines filling more of the gadget role.
Wide Receiver: T.Y. Hilton, Parris Campbell*, Chester Rogers, Marcus Johnson, Steve Ishmael, Penny Hart*
Bowen’s Analysis: Even with Ryan Grant and Dontrelle Inman gone, there’s some teeth to this group in terms of depth.
Wide Receiver: Devin Funchess, Zach Pascal, Deon Cain, Reece Fountain, Krishawn Hogan, Jordan Veasy, Ashton Dulin*
Bowen’s Analysis: There’s some very intriguing young bodies here, with Cain on the mend until Training Camp. This is a huge spring for Fountain.
Tight End: Eric Ebron, Ross Travis, Gabe Holmes
Bowen’s Analysis: Travis is coming off a torn ACL, but has shown some nice receiving ability when healthy.
Tight End: Jack Doyle, Mo Alie-Cox, Billy Brown, Hale Hentges*
Bowen’s Analysis: Doyle and Alie-Cox are the most consistent three-down tight end options for Indianapolis.
Left Tackle: Anthony Castonzo, Le’Raven Clark, Jackson Barton*, Antonio Garcia
Bowen’s Analysis: Clark, a third-round pick in 2016, is in the final year of his rookie contract.
Left Guard: Quenton Nelson, William Poehls
Bowen’s Analysis: Poehls was signed by the team to a futures contract at the end of the 2018 season.
Center: Ryan Kelly, Evan Boehm, Javon Patterson*
Bowen’s Analysis: Boehm and Patterson both have needed position flex.
Right Guard: Mark Glowinski, Josh Andrews
Bowen’s Analysis: Andrews saw some action last year after the Colts signed him off the Eagles practice squad.
Right Tackle: Braden Smith, Joe Haeg, J’Marcus Webb, De’Ondre Wesley
Bowen’s Analysis: Haeg could play multiple spots especially with Webb, 30, returning on a one-year deal.
DEFENSIVE DEPTH CHART
Left Defensive End: Jabaal Sheard, Al-Quadin Muhammad, Carroll Phillips, Jegs Jegede*
Bowen’s Analysis: Muhammad actually was a starter late last season once Tyquan Lewis went on IR.
Defensive Tackle: Denico Autry, Tyquan Lewis, Jihad Ward, Jordan Thompson*, Johnny Robinson*
Bowen’s Analysis: Lewis and Ward are two pretty nice ‘backups’ for a D-line group that wants to rotate a lot.
Nose Tackle: Margus Hunt, Grover Stewart, Sterling Shippy*
Bowen’s Analysis: At 333 pounds, Stewart weighs 35 pounds more than any other Colts defensive lineman, besides the undrafted free agents.
Right Defensive End: Justin Houston, Kemoko Turay, Gerri Green*
Bowen’s Analysis: It will be interesting to see how the role for Houston, 30, plays out in Indy.
WILL Linebacker: Darius Leonard, EJ Speed*, Ahmad Thomas
Bowen’s Analysis: The Colts have said they want Speed to first play behind Leonard at the WILL position.
MIKE Linebacker: Anthony Walker, Bobby Okereke*, Skai Moore
Bowen’s Analysis: Okereke will get his first look at MIKE and could be in the mix for some passing down duties, depending on how well he picks up this defense.
SAM Linebacker: Ben Banogu*, Matthew Adams, Zaire Franklin, Tre Thomas*
Bowen’s Analysis: Banogu and Adams have vastly different physiques, so it will be interesting to see how much this position differs in 2019.
Cornerback: Kenny Moore, Nate Hairston, Chris Milton, Marvell Tell*, D.J. Killings, Shakai Taylor*
Bowen’s Analysis: The rotation at corner will look a lot different once you start incorporating nickel looks.
Cornerback: Pierre Desir, Quincy Wilson, Rock Ya-Sin*, Jalen Collins, Jamal Peters*
Bowen’s Analysis: Ya-Sin could easily rise up on this depth chart, but the Colts actually received pretty solid corner play late last year from Moore, Desir and Wilson.
Strong Safety: Clayton Geathers, Khari Willis*, George Odum, Derrick Kindred
Bowen’s Analysis: If you are trading up 20 spots for Willis, you have to think he’s a favorite for early playing time.
Free Safety: Malik Hooker, Matthias Farley, Roland Milligan
Bowen’s Analysis: The cerebral Farley returns on a one-year deal after he ended last season on IR.
Specialists: LS-Luke Rhodes, P-Rigoberto Sanchez, K-Adam Vinatieri, K-Cole Hedlund*,
Bowen’s Analysis: This group returns in-tact for a third straight season, with the addition of a rookie camp leg to help out the 46-year-old Vinatieri.
*Rookie
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9 hours ago, BlueCrew48 said:
I agree with you on Mack. I voted other, with that other being Mack. If he plays 16 games this year, I expect 1200-1300 yards and 8ish rush tds and a couple receiving. Ty not a big tad guy, and I cant believe Ebron will have as many opportunities to score this year.
RB will be very interesting this year. With more tools at WR that will require more attention, our RB options should increase tremendously. Not sure how many more carries Mack will get though. I think his yards per attempt, and TDs per attempt will increase. I also expect Ware to get a lot of short yardage touches. Hines could see an increased roll as well.
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8 hours ago, J@son said:
I simply don't agree with that. He was 2nd on the team with 5 drops and they seemed to have all been in pretty critical situations. He's a decent returner but not really good or great (imo). He has value, but I wouldn't say "a lot". I'm simply ready to move on..but that's just me.
I'm no fan of drops, but he is not the only, or biggest dropper.
% wise, Rogers was 5th in drops vs all the primary weapons we have this year.
sure you can talk about timing, but I remember a ton of poorly dropped passes last year from others as well. IIRC, Indy was top 3 in drops last year as a team, maybe the worst.
Here's how are guys looked last year.
Ebron 9 on 110 targets (8.2%)
Funchess 7 on 79 targets (8.9%)
Rogers 5 on 72 targets (6.9%)
Pascal 4 on 46 targets (8.7%)
Hines 4 on 81 targets (4.9%)
Hilton 4 on 120 targets (3.3%)
Mack 3 on 26 targets (11.5%)
Not a fan of Fox stats, but they are not as bad as others.
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14 hours ago, Smonroe said:
Sometimes we forget how important it is to have WRs who can block, like Pascal.
What WRs are you assuming can't block?
I agree that WRs (and RBs) need to block on plays that require it in a perfect world. Some WRs are just so dangerous in receiving, they're blocking issues are overlooked. And of course WRs can be situational based on play calling. I'm just not sure I can say for a fact that our other (or new) WRs can't block.
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5 minutes ago, J@son said:
fair enough. I still hope he's the odd man out though.
Not in love with Rogers, just recognize what he meant to the team last year, which was a lot. he took a huge step forward from 2017.
I will love it if Campbell kills it at slot (if that's where they put him), and kills it at returns. Just not ready to shove all the chips in this year. We have lots of potential, not lots of production. I'm betting on the potential, just not enough to cut lose some of things we relied on last year.
:-). 2020 I could be singing a very different tune!
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2 minutes ago, J@son said:
I think Farley is kept. Ballard said they will be playing Tell at CB so I think the CBs wind up being Moore, Desir, Ya-Sin, Tell and Wilson if they only keep 5.
Personally I hope we keep Fountain and Pascal and move on from Rogers.
like i've said several times, Rogers is the only experienced back up for the Z, second in WR yards last year, and he was our returner. I'm fine with parting with the "2nd in WR yards", but not fine with getting rid of our only experienced back up for TY at Z, and his experience at return.
i'd like to keep both Pascal and Fountain too. If Fountain is improving, I can see him taking Pascals slot or staying on the PS. Bottom line, it's very crowded at X. It's not crowded at all at Z and traditional slot. We could easily fill in at X (Cain, Pascal, Funchess, Fountain), but not Z or slot (unless you only play "big" slot).
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Bucs are releasing G McCoy- Option for the Colts?
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Honestly I don't think it matters, but sure doesn't hurt.
Would love a two year deal.