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I still wonder if we ever talked to Suh. 9.25 for one year seems really reasonable. I would given him that in a heartbeat. I'd happily give McCoy 10-12 a year for 2 years.
Either one of these guys could have been, or could be signed with little to no impact to our fiscal situation.
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2 hours ago, Shepman said:
Hines becomes the other slot guy especially out of the backfield
Hines had a fantastic rookie season with 700+ all purpose yards.
He's going to be a fun watch as the O matures. He's got jets.
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2 hours ago, BigQungus said:
You talk so much of balance... from now on I'm gonna call you Thanos.
Lol jk, I'm a believer in balance too.
But you and Reich are essentially saying the same thing. When Reich says he wants to run the ball more, it means he wants there to be more of a proportion of plays to go running plays relative to where they are now. We were 2nd in the league in passing attempts last year. So therefore, if you want there to be more "balance", then you would also want to run the ball more, just like Reich.
i agree in principal, but also believe that you take what is given to you. we played 5 weeks vs top 11 rushing Ds, and also was without our lead back (Mack) for several games early. toss in early OL musical chairs and a first year O system.
on O, i was way more concerned with what teams were doing to us by doubling TY. we really had no other option or answer outside of Ebron. Luck had to work WAY too hard getting the yards he got.
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3 hours ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:
Ben was pretty even with him statistically because of Yards but we won more games, so if you factor in everything, Luck was better. I am not sure how it can be debated if one just goes by last year. Also Rodgers only threw for 25 TD's last season and the Pack weren't even close to making the playoffs. I am just going by last season not all-time. Isn't that what Warner is doing? If so he is wrong. If he is basing his opinion all-time then Ben and Rodgers belong in the top 5 out of today's QB's playing but why would Mahomes belong then? He has only had 1 great year, Luck has had 4 very good to great seasons. I am confused what Warner's list is based on.
Yup, having Mahomes and not Luck made zero sense.
I like KW, but maybe he's getting old lol.
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5 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:
I agree, the people saying Luck doesn't belong in the top 5 is puzzling to me, I mean it is their opinion but going by last season statistically and winning wise they are wrong. Luck was better than Rodgers and Ben if you by last season.
stats wise, Luck was definitely top 5, with crap receiving support, and in a new system.
haters will eat their words this year.
and we're going to need it, playing 7 of the top 11 Os from last year.
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6 minutes ago, Scott Pennock said:
Regardless of his timed speed I've seen him outrun enough DB's to know he isn't too slow to play WR and he can create separation.
Having said that, I'm with you @Irish YJ in that they will play him (and Campbell) to their strengths while developing the rest of their route tree's in practice.
That's where another X receiver needs to step up like Cain, Fountain, Johnson, etc., to give Sirianni and Reich more route combo options to work with.
I'd personally love some 4 WR sets with a RB leaking out or an empty backfield with Ebron and 4 WR's - that would be "Greatest Show on Turf" video game stuff all over again!
I'd love to see a few 4 vert sets per game with TY, Campbell, Cain (if healthy), and Ebron (or Hines). If we could be successful on those, the running lanes would open up and teams would be like wth.....
Funchess had pretty poor separation stats last year (ranked in the 90s), so not going to get my hopes up. He had better separation over the middle than out wide.
If we could establish a well rounded X with Cain or Fountain, I agree. Greatest show on turf. Crazy options all over the field.
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6 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:
I could make a strong case for Luck having the 2nd best season out of all QB's Statistically and winning wise and only Mahomes was better by my eye view. Brady won the SB but Luck had a better a season than even he did factoring in everything. Rodgers struggled and the Pack didn't even make the playoffs.
yup. Luck had the 2nd most TDs, and did it with a pretty mediocre WR unit.
not trying to be a Luck homer, but I'd bet he has a career year in 2019 now that he has a good OL and fast toys to play with. it was also the 1st year in FR's system.
i think Mahomes will take a step back, but it will likely be him and Luck battling in the top 3 IMO.
Murray will be very interesting this year. AZ drafted two nice WR toys to go along with him. They should be fun to watch the next 5 years.
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38 minutes ago, Scott Pennock said:
I know he's come in and impressed in the offseason workouts thus far but something has always stuck in my craw about complaints against him: hands and a slow 40 time at the combine of 4.70.
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/profiles/devin-funchess?id=2552458
At his Pro day supposedly he ran a 4.47 and a 4.53.
After watching both college and pro video of him he definitely runs closer to 4.50 than 4.70. In fact, his game speed reminds me a lot of Reggie Wayne's - though obviously not as good a route runner or the hands, just the game speed.
Has anyone actually seen him run versus our DB's this year?
he's got build up speed, but not really a deep threat. he's got good hips and is probably quicker than fast. I'd say he's closer to 4.6ish than 4.5 or 4.7.
I'd bet a paycheck that he's used predominantly in short and intermediate routes (at X). Hoping he's used heavy as "big slot" where his catch % is the highest.
Regardless, he's going to do better with Luck as his QB in terms of drops. I just hope folks don't expect to him be a well rounded X. Big slot, possession X, RZ, and short yardage is where he can kill.
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Mahomes may not deserve to be on a 5 year, or 10 year list, but there is not question by all metrics that he was the best QB last year.
If I'm a franchise today (not yesterday or years ago), the two QBs I'd take if I could have anyone for the next 2-3 years, would be Mahomes and Luck.
It will be interesting to see how Mahomes does now that he won't surprise anyone, and teams have his film.
Now that Luck has full box of toys, I'd bank on him being a top 3 guy easily this year.
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If total yards, QBR, and Passer Rater are the 3 biggest metrics for QB success, only Mahomes is top 5 in all three categories.
Big Ben, Luck, and Brees made 2 out of three.
Brady and Rodgers did not make top 5 in any of the three categories. Rodgers didn't even make top 10 in two categories.
Not saying Brady isn't a great QB, but put Ben, Rodgers, Luck, Brees, Rivers, Mahomes, or Brees on the Pats with Belichick, and the Pats do just as good.
Total Yards
1. Big Ben
2. Mahomes
3. Ryan
4. Goff
5. Luck
6. Rodgers
7. Brady
8. Rivers
9. Manning
10. Cousins
(Brees 13th)
QBR
1. Mahomes
2. Brees
3. Trubisky
4. Big Ben
5. Luck
6. Brady
7. Rivers
8. Winston
9. Ryan
10. Goff
(Rodgers 16th)
Passer Rating
1. Brees
2. Mahomes
3. Wilson
4. Ryan
5. Rivers
6. Watson
7. Wentz
8. Goff
9. Fitzpatrick
10. Cousins
(Luck 11th, Brady 12th, Rodgers 13th, Big Ben 15th)
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4 hours ago, Rally5 said:
I didn't think we'd prioritize WR but I like the Campbell pick. I thought we'd prioritize the lines and didn't and I'm totally cool with it. We guess about things as part of the fun, I'm usually right but on occassion, I get it wrong, that's why I have a wife and apparently you as well to remind me.
i was wrong on us going after an iDL and S early lol, but right about WR. 1 for 3...
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10 hours ago, Matthew Gilbert said:
I didn't form my opinion off of someone else's draft profile at NFL.com. I based it off of what I saw on film. And Peyton Manning laid a few eggs in college IIRC.
Living in the South, I saw several of his games. Kelly had one really good year. Manning started 3.5 seasons, with the last 3 averaging 3000+ yards, and is in the College HoF. Not really comparable IMO.
Kelly has talent no doubt, but he has holes in his game. Teams gamble on behavioral issues all the time, but Kelly simply hasn't been in much demand even though his issues are tame compared to many others.
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1 hour ago, Matthew Gilbert said:
Take away ALL of his character issues and he's a first round talent in most year's drafts IMO. Kelly looked pretty good in the preseason last year. I think if he didn't get in trouble again last year, he would have taken over the Broncos starting gig at some point. But like always, he couldn't keep his head on straight. He just turned 25 in March so maybe he will mature but it's hard for me to take that bet. At his price, it's certainly worth a shot though.
Beyond the behavioral issues, there was plenty to question about his game. He flashed in college, but he also laid a bunch of eggs. Check out his NFL.com draft profile. IIRC, it was less than stellar grading him on "just" playing football.
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wasn't he pretty political.... can't remember for sure, but I know one of our guys couldn't help staying away from politics. i thought i remember him getting trolled pretty hard after he trolled someone else on a topic.
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18 minutes ago, CurBeatElite said:
He is 6'3" 230 lbs, which is actually bigger than I thought he was.... but it seems like time and time again, QBs in the NFL that can't play in the pocket wind up getting figured out or taking the hits like Irish YJ is talking about. Mahomes has the arms and the smarts to play in the pocket, and it may just be IMO, but his style of play just doesn't seem sustainable (heck, Luck scrambling at 6'4" 240+ lbs. almost got him killed... it didn't help he had no line until last year).
Mahomes also lost his best two RBs from last year (Hunt and Ware) and his best WR (Hill) is suspended from all team activities while investigations continue to occur regarding him abusing his son.
Andy Reed is one of the better coaches in the NFL, and he has created some very difficult to defend offensive teams. That said, I think teams now know the ability of Mahomes and will be able to prepare for him better, especially with him missing several of the weapons that bailed him out.
I like watching the guy play, and for the sake of the game and him, I hope he stays healthy. However, I can't imagine he's going to reproduce a year like he had last year again this year given that d-coord's have a year of film on him and he's down his two best weapons.... we'll see, I guess.
I guarantee Andy is working with him to stay in the pocket. He had happy feet even with a solid/clean pocket. I think it's just his style. And it'll get him killed if he doesn't adjust and learn IMO. I get that Ds react when his feet get happy, and that opens up lanes, but it also opens him up for injury. He's exciting to watch though, but won't be if he's in traction lol.
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13 minutes ago, Mr.NotSoCreative said:
Not sure he puts up the numbers again, but what kind of sets him apart are his abilities to throw those crazy passes, scrambling when things breakdown, throwing guys open etc. Can't really scheme to stop much of that. He is going to be a thorn to our Colts for many years cause Chiefs vs Colts should be a great budding rivalry.
He's going to be a dynamic guy for sure, but teams will adjust better. Not saying they will shut him down, but he's not going to surprise people anymore. He's also going to take some big hits IMO this year.
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https://www.colts.com/news/2019-colts-practice-notes-otas-day-1
Quote2019 Colts Practice Notes: OTAs, Day 1
Andrew Walker COLTS.COM WRITER
INDIANAPOLIS — It not only looked like football was back. It felt like it, too.
The Indianapolis Colts on Tuesday held their first OTA practice of the offseason, and were greeted with fall-like conditions at the Indiana Farm Bureau Football Center, with overcast skies and temperatures in the low-50s.
The action on the field was anything but cool, however, as most of the team’s 90-man roster was quickly moving from drill to drill, and then from play to play, as the players and coaches got the chances to conduct team-on-team drills for the first time all offseason.
So what were the top takeaways from the first day of OTA practices?
» Quarterback Andrew Luck was a non-participant Tuesday, as he deals with a calf strain. Head coach Frank Reich said after the session that Luck is being held out as a precaution, and he will be re-evaluated at the beginning of next week.
» That left three quarterbacks for the session: Jacoby Brissett, Phillip Walker and Chad Kelly, who was signed by the team on Monday. Reich said the plan is for the team to keep four quarterbacks for the remainder of the offseason and into camp and the preseason, just like last year when the team had Luck, Brissett, Walker and Brad Kaaya.
» We knew heading into the week that wide receiver Deon Cain, tight end Ross Travis, linebacker Darius Leonard and tight end Jack Doyle won’t likely be involved in on-the-field activities until training camp due to their respective injuries and recovery timelines. Others who watched from the sidelines Tuesday included wide receiver Penny Hart, safety Clayton Geathers, cornerback Chris Milton, defensive tackle Jihad Ward, defensive end Jegs Jegede, tight end Eric Ebron and defensive end Jabaal Sheard. The team does not release an injury report during the offseason workout program, so keep an eye out for any injury-related updates when training camp gets underway in late-July.
» Among those not sitting out Tuesday were wide receivers T.Y. Hilton and Marcus Johnson. Hilton suffered a low and high ankle sprain Week 14 against the Houston Texans last season but continued to play through the injury the rest of the year, including two playoff contests. Hilton was a full participant in Tuesday’s practice session, however, and even was the intended recipient of the first play of 11-on-11 action, a deep pass attempt down the right sideline from Brissett that just fell incomplete. Johnson, meanwhile, suffered a season-ending ankle injury Week 6 against the New York Jets, but was also back on the practice field Tuesday. Good news for the Colts’ receiving corps.
» Safeties Malik Hooker and Matthias Farley both were also able to practice on Tuesday, as was linebacker Skai Moore. General manager Chris Ballard said recently he anticipated Hooker being able to take part in the entire offseason program after dealing with some injury issues late last season. Farley, meanwhile, suffered a season-ending wrist injury Week 5 against the New England Patriots, while Moore was placed on injured reserve on Dec. 18 with a neck injury. Moore, who tied the South Carolina record with 14 career interceptions, picked off a pass during 7-on-7 drills Tuesday.
» Staying at wide receiver, Tuesday was a solid day for a couple newcomers to the position in particular: Devin Funchess and Parris Campbell. The 6-foot-4, 225-pound Funchess, who signed with Indy this offseason as a free agent after spending the first four seasons with the Carolina Panthers, was catching everything thrown his direction, including an impressive 50-50 back-shoulder throw from Brissett where he was draped by cornerback Pierre Desir. The second-round pick Campbell, meanwhile, certainly didn’t look like a rookie in his first official full team practice, as he showed off his speed running routes all over the field, including a nice play out of the slot on a deep slant to the right sideline, hauling in a pass in front of safety George Odum.
» Campbell was also seen working in as a punt returner alongside Chester Rogers. Campbell was a dangerous kick returner at Ohio State, but never logged any punt returns in college; he sure looked comfortable fielding punts from Rigoberto Sanchez on a windy Tuesday in Indy, however.
» Another second-round pick, Ben Banogu, is officially listed as a linebacker, but on Tuesday he was seen mostly running with the defensive linemen and rushing off the edge. That’s primarily what Banogu did in his college days at TCU, and Ballard has alluded to the fact that he’ll have a role getting after the quarterback on passing downs. But Banogu is also going to be counted on in open space as a linebacker, where he can use his speed and striking ability. We’ll keep an eye on where Banogu is lined up next week.
» With Doyle, Ebron and Travis watching practice from the sidelines, Mo Alie-Cox was utilized as the No. 1 tight end on Tuesday, and he was certainly a standout on the offensive side of the ball. Remember: Alie-Cox stopped playing organized football after middle school to focus on basketball, and he ended up becoming a standout on the court for VCU. But the Colts liked his raw athleticism and size, and decided to bring him along as a project at tight end in 2017; last year, he got his first full-time action on the NFL field in Indy, appearing in nine games and logging seven receptions for 133 yards and two touchdowns. Reich on Tuesday raved about Alie-Cox’s development as a route runner, and that showed on Tuesday. He’s yet another talented piece at a major position of strength for the Colts.
» Continuing a theme from last year’s OTA and training camp practices, it was hard to get a read on just who was lining up with the “first-team” or “second-team” defense. Coordinator Matt Eberflus likes to mix and match various position groups throughout practice, which helps players get used to playing with all sorts of different combinations once the games actually begin. The defense overall looked quick as advertised on Tuesday, however; cornerback Shakial Taylor and safety Rolan Milligan each logged interceptions during 11-on-11 work.
» The Colts will continue OTA practices this week on Wednesday and Thursday. The next scheduled opportunity for the media to watch practice is next Wednesday (May 29).
-Loved the good news on Funchess and Campbell (both at WR and PR). With Campbell getting an early shot at PR, probably bad news for Dulin (and Hart to an extent). Early, but like how things are shaping up at WR.
-Banogu - again starting to think all the LB talk was more spitballing than substance.
-Cox getting reps and praise is great. As I don't expect both Ebron and Doyle to be back, it's nice that Cox is showing his stuff.
-Lots of folks banged up or in recovery mode. Really hope all return to health, and the injury bug stays away.
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11 minutes ago, stitches said:
It's because coaches don't get the correlation right, because of decades and decades of the wrong thing being forced into their heads. The teams that face the least stacked boxes are the teams that have the best passing games. Old time coaches think it's the other way around. They think they need to work on the run game specifically in order to improve the run game(and this will lead to improved passing game) when in reality - you have to make the opponent fear your passing game so they will not stack the box and you will have more favorable run situations.
I'm a big believer in balance. Good passing opens up running. Good running opens up passing. Keep the opponent guessing and off balance, and exploit what they give you (passing or rushing). No need to be stubborn or force things.
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21 minutes ago, richard pallo said:
Could it be you're kind of skeptical we might not have the RB's that will give him the top 5 running game he wants? I believe Frank is old school. He means it when he says it. He wants a top 5 running game.
If you normalize for when Mack was out early last year, we would have been pretty close to top 5. Given the OL improved quickly last year and gelled, and the RBs appear to all be healthy (as far as I know), I don't think it will be to much of a task to be top 5 if we really commit...
Not really sure we'll commit to the point we'll be stubborn though. I am also one of the guys who believes you take what the D gives you, and you don't have to be a top 5 rushing team to run a successful O. Top 10-15, absolutely, but not necessarily top 5.
Reich also said the same thing when he was with the Chargers. Their running game was pretty meh. The year after they fired him, it was top 5 lol...
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11 hours ago, NewColtsFan said:
Ahhhh.... another classic Irish post and I’m calling nonsense... again.
Do you know who said we wouldn’t take a wide receiver in the early rounds? Almost nobody. Seriously.
I’d guess Day Two was the most popular answer the vast majority of posters offered. The only raging debate was about round one. Period. There was considerable debate about round one. You and I especially.
There were a handful of posters who guessed round four. But not many.
Day two was by far the most popular answer. So unless you’re prepared to argue that rounds two and three aren’t early, your assertion is false. Completely.
there were several who said no early round WRs. some saying we didn't need to a WR at all. interesting you said "almost nobody". i'd point out the posters, but no reason to rub it in, as they are not whining about my post....
and personally I said I wanted one in R2 several times..... the debate you and i had was over the value in R1. you followed up by cheery picking bad stats, and i went in depth listing the stats to show plenty of value.
guessing you're still sore about previous critiques and looking to complain about something...
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14 hours ago, NewColtsFan said:
So, we're now determining that McCoy is wanted in Cleveland because a player gives a thumbs up to GM coming to the team? That's all it takes these days?
Wake me when there's a little more smoke.... a little more substance...
somebody else mentioned it in the thread and espn reported it. so i found it and posted it.
nobody is saying it makes any difference.
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1 hour ago, PrincetonTiger said:
I was pretty sure it wasn’t but the account responded to the Adam Schefter tweet breaking the news
I'm not a big social media guy, but guessing obj's comment was not on twitter, but some other SM.
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1 minute ago, PrincetonTiger said:
According to tweets OBJ or someone claiming to be him wants him in Cleveland
just checked his twitter.
hasn't tweetered in 4 days.
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Kurt Warner doesn't think Luck is a top-5 QB
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Brady, Rodgers, Big Ben, etc.. would have been in trouble behind that line, and with our WR crew....
That's one reason I give JB more credit than most.