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15 hours ago, nburgmei said:
Not the exact same gif I was going to post but close enough.
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6 hours ago, NorthernBlue said:
What's even gone about Danny Shelton's career? Obviously it hasn't been great if they're trading him, but he was pretty hyped coming out of college. A third round pick isn't exactly cheap either.
He's a good player. Space eater who demands double teams in the run game but offers little to nothing on passing downs. But Browns switched to 4-3 where everyone 1-gaps when they hired Gregg Williams so he wasn't a scheme fit.
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22 minutes ago, Jared Cisneros said:
I can't disagree with this, you got me there. I guess the only problem I see with Allen is accuracy, and that can be corrected. Everything else is top of the line to me. If his accuracy was great, he'd be the runaway no1 pick before Barkley. However, it's a tossup this year as everyone has strengths and weaknesses. If Allen improves his accuracy, he will be not only the best QB in the draft, but the best player by far.
I agree with you that if he had great accuracy he'd be #1 pick. And he has about as good traits as QB can have. And he does have the best upside of all QBs in this draft.
But the list of QBs who weren't accurate in college and then became accurate in pros is a very small one.
And he has relatively good mechanics. And I think it works against him here. I'm of the opinion that accuracy can't be significantly improved at his age/stage where he's at. Wentz was another guy with great traits but not so great accuracy. But his mechanics weren't good. Mechanics got fixed, accuracy improved. Rodgers had good accuracy but awful mechanics. Mechanics were completely re-worked from the ground up and it took 2 years. And he became as accurate QB as the NFL has ever seen.
Both Rodgers and Wentz were also better in college than Allen.
Allen will go in the top 10 and probably top 5. But I'd be scared as heck to draft him there because his tape was so terrible and the history of QBs with great traits like cannon arm but poor college production and bad accuracy.
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22 minutes ago, Jared Cisneros said:
The arm, the size, the ability to extend plays is just like Ben. He may not be as polished, but he is basically the slightly less developed equivalent of him.
He has equivalent traits.
But so did Jake Locker.
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36 minutes ago, Jared Cisneros said:
He has somewhat bad accuracy, but that's the only thing wrong with him. He's literally a carbon-copy of Ben Roethlisberger and that's better than anything else in this draft by a mile. His accuracy can improve, a lot of Rosen's problems can't or likely won't. Allen is likely to sit a year anyway to get NFL ready.
Ben was a great player in college, even got some Heisman consideration despite playing in Miami OH. Allen was a bad player in college, with terrible comp % and YPA.
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29 minutes ago, LJpalmbeacher2 said:
Lol, when was last time the colts really, really had a good OL?
Decade ago.. Then we let Lilja and Scott walk in free agency.
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@danlhart87 You and the Colts are up.
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22 minutes ago, dw49 said:
Yeah .. those that thought was going to be high probably don't spend a lot of time watching how the league works. Landry along with a franchise tag which means one year of control at about 15 million is not very "valuable. If its the first pick in the 4th round , Maimi got a very good deal .
It's #123. Carolina's original 4th rounder.
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Trenches, especially on the interior are big needs for Lions. Hurst, Payne, Hernandez, Wynn..
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9 hours ago, throwing BBZ said:
The Great Finball, please clarify who the one obvious Franchise QB is that must be drafted 1st? Hmmmm?
Well, the Obvious answer is, there IS NOT ONE. There are at Least 4 QB's that could be SB caliber players in a few years. Your point is dog Tired.
What I or anyone else here, thinks of those QBs is irrelevant. it won't have any impact what the Browns do. Browns FOs opinion is all that matters, Do they think there's at least 4 SB caliber QBs? Do they think one of them is clearly above others?
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23 minutes ago, Boiler_Colt said:
He's not great but he's your starter this year. They can then get their QB at 4, someone like Allen who needs the time to learn.
It's possible but there's no guarantee that Allen is there at #4. If they really like a QB in this draft, they better take him at #1 or risk a chance they miss out. That didn't work out so well for the previous Browns management, not taking franchise QB when he's there.
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22 minutes ago, Boiler_Colt said:
With Tyrod now in Cleveland, I think this cements that Barkley is the pick at #1 unless they trade it.
Taylor isn't that good that he's going to have say whether a team uses #1 pick on QB or not.
And this allows them to sit the QB for a year and not throw him into the fire if he's not ready.
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22 minutes ago, jet1968 said:
I'm confused by the "They have a quarterback.......and they will" part
Tyrod Taylor. Apparently they just traded for him.
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Couldn't find anything in CBA but this former NFL agent and CBS on Cousins and if Redskins were to tag him.
QuoteCousins would still have some recourse if an arbitrator ruled against him. He couldn't be traded until he signed his tender, which would give him some control over the situation. Cousins would effectively have a no-trade clause since his cooperation would be required in order to be dealt to another team. The prospect of a team giving up significant draft-choice compensation or players is likely to be unappealing to Cousins because his new club would be weakened.
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23 minutes ago, crazycolt1 said:
Miami can trade any player on their roster if the want to. Even if he didn't sign the tag they could still trade him if they found someone to trade with.
Technically, he's not on their roster because he's not under contract. This has come up in the past, players who have received a tag but haven't signed it, can't be traded.
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24 minutes ago, crazycolt1 said:
Not really. It don't matter if he wanted to or not go to the Browns. I don't think he had a no trade clause in his contract.
He could've just refused to sign the tag. That wouldn't have allowed Miami to trade him. Miami is in huge cap crunch too, so they might have had to rescind the tag.
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Dorsey is Browns GM. He was Chiefs GM last year.
Chiefs used late 3rd round pick on RB. That RB had the most rushing yards in the league. They traded two 1st rounders and a 3rd for a QB with a plan to have him sit for an year.
The current version of Browns haven't had a franchise QB and they've passed on numerous ones, including the past two drafts.
It's far, far from lock that they are taking RB with the #1 pick.
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29 minutes ago, IndyScribe said:
According to Rapoport, it's because Cleveland has the money to redo his deal. Why on Earth he'd want to go to the Browns, I have no idea.
You said it there. Money.
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26 minutes ago, NextGenerationLuck said:
With the 10th pick of the 2018 NFL draft the Oakland Raiders select Roquan smith, LB from Georgia. Trying to bring back that presence in the middle they have been missing. Bigs shoes to fill, Patrick wills and Navarro bowman with be tough to match.
Willis never played for the Raiders.
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17 hours ago, Mr. Irrelevant said:
Yeah, maybe a weird question, but still:
Let’s say a team the Browns want to get our 3. Pick, but we want to be sure we get Chubb. How do we know they go after a QB and not Chubb. Do GM’s talk open about this or do you just run the risk?
If/as they don't get Cousins and didn't pick QB at #1, they are 100% taking QB with their next pick. They can't walk away from this draft with no QB. So in the case of Browns, we know what they are going to do. Same with every other team in a need of a QB.
I have some (weak) recollection that back in the 2012 draft, when Jags traded up from 7 to 5 (Bucs pick), Bucs were told or knew that they were going to take Blackmon. However, Bucs were comfortable passing him because they had a scout shadowing him pre-draft and he went to some popular bar too often and stayed too long... Bucs ended up being right on Blackmon. They just wasted the #7 overall pick on Mark Barron.
Can't remember where I read this nor can I find a source right now but Redskins wanted Brian Orakpo with their #13 pick. Broncos were on the clock at #12. Redskins wanted to trade up to secure Orakpo but were basically told by the Broncos (as in McDaniels) that 'don't worry, we aren't taking him' and took Moreno at #12.. Can't recall more about the details or did they ever come out.
Bills traded down from #8 to #16 for Rams original pick. Rams took Austin, but I think in this case it was known that Rams wanted Austin, I remember reading about it pre-draft.
Back in 2012 draft, Browns traded up from #4 one spot to get Vikings pick. Not sure if they told them they were taking T-Rich but pretty much everyone knew it. They were certainly not taking Kalil, who the Vikings wanted, since they had Kalil. And Vikings didn't want T-Rich since they had AP. Not the best scenario to look at since the top 2 picks were known already and I think this trade happened before the draft started.
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2 hours ago, Colton Stenger said:
Josh Allen will be a bust, he wasn't good in college and throwing a football 90 yards doesn't mean anything when you can't hit the broad side of a barn, at best he will be the next Jay Cutler
I think he'll be bust and he was bad, even terrible in college and I'd be scared as heck to use an early pick on him but I definitely think he has potential to be more than Jay Cutler.. even Jay Cutler had more potential to be what he became.
Gavin Memorial Draft round 3-2018
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Heh, that's actually why I thought about passing on him but I felt my other targets were more likely to be there in the 4th. I had him as 2nd best prospect of players available but the #1 is DB, Bucs already have similar player on their roster and I took Minkah in the 1st.