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With the 8th pick in the NFL draft, the TB Buccaneers select Minkah Fitzpatrick, S, Alabama
@ BProland85 and the Bears are next.
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37 minutes ago, richard pallo said:
Lawrence has signed his tag. They can sign now.
Yeah, looks like I wass wrong on that.
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22 minutes ago, SolidGold said:
Yeah and they eventually was watching as well. So what exactly are you getting from those two players that your not getting from Landry? They are getting the extra millions to watch the playoffs and the superbowls. And they both have better QB's and teams. Teams are paying them more to play 1 or 2 extra games a year. If he's not worth the money then maybe none of them are worth that kind of money IMO.
You are getting better production than from Landry. Like in the playoffs were Brown was Steelers best player this past year and Julio was arguably that for the Falcons in '16.
Let's not use the wins argument to determine value of single players. It's bad for QBs, even worse for other positions. It's especially bad when it's used to defend a player who has made the playoffs once in his 4 year career.
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31 minutes ago, Indeee said:
No it's not, the tag can be rescinded just like the Panthers did to Norman a few years back. I might be wrong, but I'm pretty sure Norman signed it and then it was absolved
33 minutes ago, richard pallo said:He signed the tag today. That option is gone.
He didn't sign the tag, he can't sign it until the league year/FA officially opens next week.
Tag can't be rescinded it it's signed.
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43 minutes ago, SolidGold said:
Julio, OBJ , Brown are worth 15 mil and are on another level and the bar is set with them but what exactly are they doing in the playoffs ? Superbowls ? I only see them in the regular season on highlights. If they are worth 15 mil why wouldn't Landry be ? If we are paying for regular season highlights then why doesn't Landry deserve what they make? I would argue if Landry had the QB's that Brown ,OBJ, or Julio have he would be able to prove why he's worth the money. And with Luck he would have those numbers that they have or better. The QB you have plays a significant part in your production.
Landry doesn't have the game-breaking ability that OBJ, Brown and Julio have. Not even close to the same level athlete. Giants QBs haven't been significantly better than Landry's either. Landry hasn't been able to show he can consistently make plays on the outside or intermediate/deep-range.
All his TDs this past year were inside the 10. He has 21 receptions that were longer than 20 yards the past 2 seasons (and just 6 last year). OBJ had 20 in 2016 alone.
And didn't you watch the Falcons in 2016 playoffs or Steelers this year in the playoffs?
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4 hours ago, csmopar said:
I'm surprised Miami is releasing him though, his cap hit if on the roster is 26 mil, if cut, they still pay 23 mil of that and only saves them 3 million and change. now if they designate him a June 1 cut but his contract becomes guaranteed March 19th so im not sure how that'd work.
That's why they aren't going to cut him. they can designated him as post-june release but it won't help their cap issues now. He's staying.
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26 minutes ago, richard pallo said:
Yes they can match but teams can structure deals to make difficult for them to do so. It has happened a lot in the past. So I wouldn't rule it out entirely.
They have about 65M in cap space. They can match everything thrown at them.
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55 minutes ago, crazycolt1 said:
You said the key word. Opinion.
Would I be wrong if I said Tim Brown was as good as Jerry Rice? He was as good just didn't have the QBs to give him the numbers.
The years that Harrison played with Manning minus the last two yeas taken away with health issues there was not a receiver who matched his production, not even Rice.
Rice and Brown had comparable seasons late in their careers, which were seasons #17, #18 and #19 for Rice. Brown retired after season #17. Rice had basically two HOF careers, if we were to split his career in half. And he did have very good production when 49ers starting QBs were out with injuries. His longevity pushes him ahead of everyone else.
There aren't many receiver who have been in as favorable situation as WR as Harrison was during those years, playing all of his prime with one of the best QB ever to play the game.
On raw production, Harrison probably had the best 9-year stretch (98-06) for WR ever in raw production. But they should be adjusted for era. Harrison had couple of hunderd yards more in that stretch than Rice did in his first 9 seasons.
But Harrison was about 1300 yards better than next receiver between 98-06. Rice beat the next best WR by 2200 yards (or about the difference between Marvin and Rod Smith, who had the 5th most yards in that tretch). Both had fairly similar edge in catches to #2 guy, Harrison with slighlt edge to Harrison. Harrison had 108 TDs 98-06, next best WR had 102. Rice had 118 TDs in his first 9 seasons. Next guy on the list had 65. #3 had 62. He almost had more TDs than the best and second best receiver combined.
Moss' best 9-year stretch comes pretty close to Harrisons. Harrison had one more TD and about 1000 more yards. The latter is relatively big difference but they had much larger difference in the quality of quarterbacks. Moss had only 2-3 seasons with a QB who was on Peyton's level.
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25 minutes ago, crazycolt1 said:
That is your opinion. Just because he wasn't a diva quit overlooking him.
Harrison holds 33 NFL records right now.
You're the one with an unpopular opinion in here.
I'm aware of how many records he has. Doesn't make him the 2nd best receiver of all time.
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23 minutes ago, shastamasta said:
That said, Glenn's contract would be pretty steep for a RT. Currently, that would put him behind only Lane Johnson. If he was currently a FA, would you give him a 3-year $34M contract wiith an out after one year to play RT?
Not to mention that he hasn't played RT before. It's usually not easy to switch sides like that this late into a career.
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double post
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1 hour ago, crazycolt1 said:
I am sorry you cant see the truth because of your narrow minded opinion. You look at the playoffs games where they won you will notice some pretty impressive numbers from Harrison. The games where the whole offense didn't play well or were shut down common sense will show his numbers were down.
You can diss all you want to on the second best receiver in history all you care to, but I don't buy it.
Harrison was awesome but he's not the 2nd best receiver in history.
And Harrison did have bigger drop off in playoff production compared to his regular season production than Wayne did for example.
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I think better comp would be how they rank against their peers for their respective first 6 seasons in the league, as passing rules have changed quite a bit since Marv's and Reggies early years. I set a cutoff of 200 catches and 50 games for better yards per catch comp.
Harrison: catches (t-3rd), yards (3rd), yards per catch (34th), TDs (2nd)
Wayne: catches (t-16th), yards (16th), yards per catch (24th), TDs (11th)
Hilton: catches (8th), yards (5th), yards per catch (5th), TDs (16th)
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Spotrac looks at players in same position, playing time, opportunity, age, production, accolades etc in their market value projections.
They are obviously discounting Mewhorts last season when he was injured and the fact that he has pretty bad knee issues. And look at mainly his good season in '15 and '16. Those seasons compare pretty well for guards who have recently gotten around 10M per year. But Mewhort is obviously not getting anywhere near that.
What increases Moncriefs market value is his young age (24) and his great TD production. He's also not getting anywhere near the type of contract that Spotrac projects. As with Mewhort, they are not putting heavy emphasis on bad contract year. John Brown and Willie Snead also are at around 10M per year, despite having bad seasons last year and in case of Brown, last 2 seasons and also health concerns.
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54 minutes ago, Shive said:
That means they most likely won't be able to afford to bring Hitchens back and may even have to make some cuts to make room for that salary.
Hitchens isn't going back there for sure. They have Sean Lee and seem to be high on Jaylon Smith. Perhaps shouldn't but there really isn't a need to big money for Hitchens as they are invested on those 2.
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1 hour ago, Boiler_Colt said:
Is Dee Ford even a free agent? I thought he was under contract.
Under contract and he's recovering from injury and might not pass physical next week which would make his salary guaranteed. And Chiefs might keep him anyway.
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I largely agree with their list (except Tru) but this is the issue I take here and with PFF in general, though I agree that this particular player, Kenny Vaccaro, shouldn't get big bucks.
QuoteHis struggles came to a head this past season, where he allowed a career high 492 receiving yards after being moved more into the slot.
So... don't use SS to cover slot receivers.
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10 hours ago, chad72 said:
Elway's record of drafting offensive players has been downright terrible. I do not see him putting his eggs in a rookie basket after whiffing on both Brock and Lynch. Their offensive player evaluation has to stink, IMO.
If I am Elway, I go after Nick Foles or Case Keenum if I cannot land Cousins, and hope it helps him extend the life of whatever is left on that D. At least it would give him options in the draft.
I think draft is their best option even though their drafting on offense and especially QBs has been terrible. Folesn and Keenum need great support cast on the offensive side of the ball. Denver doesn't have that. Cousins does too, somewhat but at least he can play like top 12-15 QB without one. However, that's probably not good enough for the Broncos considering how medicore their drafts have been recently and the cuts they'd have to make to get Cousins. D would take a major hit.
Draft pick would allow them to save cap space and keep/even add more talent around their QB. But it's probably the most high risk/reward scenario out there and not sure Elway is going that route. He can't really afford to whiff on another QB. He's already missed on 2 QBOTF picks at the draft.
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What did/does your complete draft board look like last year and this year?
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Courtland Sutton had pretty crazy 3 cone and shuttle times for a 6'3 guy.
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19 hours ago, oldunclemark said:
Folks..LBJ isn't going to Philadelphia..
LeBron and Ben Simmons both have to have the ball.
Simmons cant play without the ball in his hands.. He's isn't a wing shooter..
..and Simmons cant go into the post (like he does a lot now) to make room for LeBron because Embid is there
It does not work.
.....a month ago,. LBJ was going to Golden State.. Then it was Houston.
Now its Philadelphia. Next week he'll be going back to Miami to play with D-Wade
I predict LeBron BUYS the Cavaliers from Dan Gilbert and becomes the NBA's first player-owner!!!!
Philly does have the highest upside though, with Embiid, Simmons and the boatload of picks that they have. Getting to stay in the East is a nice advantage too. I agree that the fit with Simmons is far from ideal and Embiid has relatively serious injury concerns.
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3 hours ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:
After watching the Cavs tonight they look like a team that has 0 chance to win a Title. I was amazed at how many people especially on ESPN that were saying the Cavs were back after the trade. Even with Kevin Love they would get squashed like a bug playing the Warriors or Rockets.
-LeBron going to Rockets next season, book it.
I think Philly.
It won't be easy for Rockets/James to pull off that because of their salary cap situation. Not having a first rounder. doesn't help either.
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http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2017/jarvis-landrys-value-part-ii
The comparison group sucks but the point here is that Landry doesn't move the chains.
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He hasn't played outside much. His success has come from the slot or slot/safety hybrid.