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1 hour ago, Lucky Colts Fan said:
Special Teams
Actually, Peyton had Mike Vanderjact and Chris Gardocki. Both of whom had good seasons. Mike had a much better season than AV.
1998 season:
Vanderjact: 31-31 on PAT's. 27-31 on Field Goal attempts(87.1 percent). Long: 53 yards
Gardocki: Average: 45.3. Inside 20: 23
2012 season:
Vinatieri: 26 of 33 on FGA(78.8 percent). Long: 53 yards. 37 of 37 on PAT's.
McCafee: Average 48.2 yards. Inside 20: 26
I would say the special teams was arguable even better or about the same during the 1998 season. The Colts were terrible at stopping returns during the 2012 season as well.
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47 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:
Actually if you compare their first 5 seasons, Luck would go down as the better QB in history. It wasn't until season 6 that Peyton started his dominance and won a Playoff game. That was in 2003. Peyton wasn't really deemed Great until 2003, then the run we had from 2003-2009 as a team was legendary. From 2003-2009 we won 12 or more games and won a SB, from 1998-2002 Peyton had only 1 season with 12 or more wins and no Playoff wins. Luck in his first 5 seasons has 3 Playoff wins, ok people say wins are a team thing. Luck also statistically had a 40 TD passing season in his first 5 seasons, Peyton didn't have one until season 7 = 2004 where he threw 49.
Thanks for the good analysis. I used this to help prove my point to them even further. I think a lot of people don't realize that it took Peyton a while to become the great QB he was. Luck has a chance to become just as incredible. We will see what happens in the next 9-10 years!
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52 minutes ago, Lucky Colts Fan said:
Manning is the King, but Luck had the better rookie season. The record alone is the best argument. Luck and an overachieving Colts won 11 games his rookie season, while Manning and an underachieving Colts won 3.
Yes. We were projected to win 3-5 games during Luck's rookie season. We end up winning 11. Luck also was the most hit and hurried QB in the league. And dropped back the 730 times(3rd most times in league history), leading to the high number of his interceptions. He also had a rookie RB, two rookie Tight Ends, a rookie RB, and a rookie receiver all starting on offense. It was incredible what we did that year if you think about it.
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9 hours ago, crazycolt1 said:
Talent wise IMO Manning had better talent at the specialty positions with Faulk and Harrison on the roster. I think Luck was better prepared to be a starter in the NFL than Manning was.
Looking back on Luck's rookie season it was really something special being the Colts were coming off a 2-14 season and in cap hades. Grigson truly deserved being named the GM of the year that year. The deal he made for Hilton was one of the best deals in Colts history. With that being said it really was a shame Grigson couldn't maintain or improve on bringing in players who developed.
Agreed. I do believe Grigson did well in the 2012 draft. Fleener and Allen were good picks at the time. We got a good 4 years out of both of them. Both struggled last year, but are still two starters in this league. Hilton was an amazing trade up. Ballard was even a great pick IMO.
Back to the Manning-Luck debate. Would you even say the 2012 Colts had one personnel group that was better than the 98 Colts?
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8 hours ago, I'm Negan said:
And Manning had a much better offensive line in front of him with Faulk, Harrison, Dilger and Pollard surrounding him. A year later he got James and Saturday too...
Shows how good Luck can be when we finally surround him with an offensive line and a strong running game.
Also shows how much better Bill Polian was over Ryan Grigson.
Exactly. Luck did not have a running game, an offensive line, or anybody on defense. You also forgot Tarik Glenn. He had a very positive rookie year. I believe Colts fans that argue everything against Luck when compared to Peyton are still salty about how the Manning-Colts relationship ended. Peyton will probably always be the GOAT regular season QB of all time. I do believe that Luck will get 2-3 SB's with the Colts tho. Ballard is getting ready to give us a team we a colts fans have wanted since the 2005 season.
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I hope you guys on here can help me settle a debate. A few friends of mine are split on Luck and Peyton's rookie years. The argument is more over who had better surrounding talent during their rookie seasons... Luck or Manning?
I believe it was Manning who had the better team. I love him to death but he struggled that year.
Luck on the other hand, not only had a worse team, but a more efficient rookie year.
Luck led Peyton in nearly every category except completion percentage and passing TD's. Both of which were relatively close.
Peyton tossed a staggering 28 int's to Luck's 18.
Luck also had more total TD's, yards(passing and rushing), game winning drives, and most of all, he led the team on his back to an 11-5 season.
Thoughts?
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15 hours ago, jvan1973 said:
How would they get a top corner and ilb in the same draft?
Well it's very possible to get a top corner in the 2nd round this year. The CB group in this group is deep. But that's just my opinion. Or I think it's very possible we get a corner in the first and Cunningham or McMillian in the 2nd. Reddick and Foster are the only two ILB that are locks to go in the first round.
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6 hours ago, Deadpool said:
I stand corrected lol. we just gave him a 3 yr 30 million dollar deal with 15 million guaranteed and he took it, well the bright side our DLine is much more improved now lol.
Yeah. Lol I'm happy we signed him. I just wasn't convinced Ballard would shell that much money out to get him. Our D is gonna look a lot better next year if we get a top corner and ILB in this draft
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6 hours ago, Deadpool said:
the last I saw he was wanting 10+ mil. a year. he Isn't going to get that.
Exactly. I think the giants are probably offering around 3 yr/21 million. We probably offered something similar. If we were gonna give big money to a NT. We would have given it to Poe.
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2 hours ago, masnerj said:
I think what happened probably was that we are in serious talks with him about signing him (knowing Ballard, probably a reasonable one-year deal with like upto 7-8 million or something) and that he took that seriously but didn't sign because he wants to go back to the Giants with that deal and try to renegotiate.
At the beginning of free agency, it is very common for someone to visit one place and then sign right then and there before visiting another place because teams are putting their full foot forward. At this stage in the game, for a guy like Hankins, it is not surprising at all that he visits and leaves without a deal. For him, he is trying to maximize his value and he doesn't do that by simply signing with us immediately after visiting.
I think our chances at getting him are 30-40%. Look for a one year deal if he signs with us. If he signs with the Giants, it will either be a one year deal greater than the Colts or he just basically gave in and accepted the long term deal.
I don't think he signs a one year deal. His agent is trying to get him a big contract with lots of security. He is probably looking at a high number for multiple years and that is the problem
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4 minutes ago, BR-549 said:
That and he could trade places with Mike from American Pickers and no one would know the difference.
and...
I am glad Phil is moving on, or so it would seem, that is...
I think Phil SImms could still broadcast for NBC or move over to Fox, but I doubt his pride will let him downgrade to a 3rd or 4th team.
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4 minutes ago, BR-549 said:
That and he could trade places with Mike from American Pickers and no one would know the difference.
and...
I am glad Phil is moving on, or so it would seem, that is...
I think Phil SImms could still broadcast for NBC or move over to Fox, but I doubt his pride will let him downgrade to a 3rd or 4th team.
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3 hours ago, jet1968 said:
I wish it was Chris Collinsworth, I hate listening to him.
I would agree with that lol. He repeats the same thing over and over again.
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12 hours ago, New Zealands #1 Colts Fan said:
Im happy with this move for two reasons.
1. I never enjoyed Phil Simms commentating ( remember when the colts beat the bengals in the playoffs a few years ago and all Simms said during the whole game was we were only winning because A.J Green was injured)
2 Texans miss out on Romo
I'm really happy about the Texans missing out on Romo. I don't dislike Simms actually, but I do for an announcer he is quite monotone. But he does his job fairly well, and broadcasting the game of the week is quite the jump for somebody(Tony Romo) who has never done it before.
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Do you think the switch of Romo as the lead analyst instead of Simms will improve the NFL ratings? I think Romo is going to bring a little more energy to the table for us fans because he is new. But I don't see Romo becoming as good of an analyst for 3 or 4 years.
I think it is good for the NFL to mix it up though. But I'm not sure if he is ready to be thrown in the biggest spotlight(usually the most watched television sports game and show every weekend) right off the bat.
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6 hours ago, ReMeDy said:
I'd have to say Bill Belichick is the MVP, because without him, the Patriots would be the worst team in the league. I'm talking Tecmo Bowl Patriots. He's an MVP and he doesn't even step onto the field -- he's that good. Enjoy the free ride while you can, Pats fans.
I guess if you look at it from that aspect than yeah I would agree. Belichick would be MVP almost every year. He is no doubt the GCOAT.
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8 hours ago, TheMarine said:
Well he's not exactly "wrong". Luck is coming off an 8-8 season, and missed 9 games the season before. He's a star, but not a league wide "Super" star yet despite his status here in Indy. In a "What have you done for me lately?" NFL, hes been mediocre. He hasn't been healthy, he didnt make the plays last year that we were so accustomed to seeing the first 3 years.
Its a short rise to the top for him, IMO, if he doesn't have to play constantly from behind all the damn time and gets an O-Line in front of him. Im not worried about him yet, not until he starts to look like David Carr under pressure
Nope. He's wrong. Luck has made throws I have yet to see other QB's make in this league today. He carries this team. I believe he is the MVP in the league. Name a player more valuable. Aaron Rodgers and Derek Carr as just as valuable. Maybe he's not the "best player" in the league but he is the most valuable.
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1 hour ago, BProland85 said:
Indianapolis will draft at least 2 CBs and 2 LBs.
I would say there is a 50-50 shot that happens. We have a huge hole at corner and need a ILB and OLB. Corner and OLB are two of the deepest positions in this drafft.
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HAHA. That would be hilarious!
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13 minutes ago, chad72 said:
Patriots manage to get into the first 2 rounds without having a first or second round pick right now.
I would be very surprised if they DID NOT get in the first two rounds in this draft. They will probably trade one of their picks next year to help them get into the first two rounds.
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The chargers trade Philip Rivers to the Browns for their 12th overall draft pick and their 5th round pick. The Chargers select Mitch Trubisky with the 12th overall pick.
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10 hours ago, Luck 4 president said:
We don't have a 6th or 7th so...
I'm fully aware. Hence why I said, "But we don't have any late round picks."
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5 hours ago, Tmoney said:
Michael Roberts from Toledo with a late 4th. One of the better blocking TEs in the class, great red zone target, and a big frame. Fills all the holes DA left and does it with a bigger body and less injuries. Not a great athlete but is the perfect Y TE. That's all DA was and Brandon Williams and Roberts compete for the spot. If we don't draft one I'm cool too, I'm really hoping Williams could be exactly that plus a great athlete.
That's what I'm hoping for as well. I think Doyle and Swoope deserve the opportunity. And I think they will excel. Williams will be a good number 3. I'm confident in the group we have now.
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1 hour ago, dodsworth said:
Not sure which way Ballard is going to go in the first round but he stated
The lines and defense is always a priority with his decisions. Lamp with
the first pick would back up his words.
The first pick should be on the lines or defense and TE shouldn't even
be on the radar in this draft. Picking a TE in this draft would show
That Ballard would be using the same blueprint of the last two
GM'S in building a soft roster instead of a smash your face lineup.
Exactly. We need to build the trenches and finally build the monster. I trust Ballard to build this team well. I just wouldn't agree with drafting a Tight End unless it's our late 4th or 5th.
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