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Agree with the OP. There is no way the Colts can go forward with Tolzien. He doesn't have the arm strength this offense requires and does not go through his progressions at all. Brissett will still have a limited grasp of the playbook but he will no doubt be the better option.
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The unfortunate part for AC is that there is this stigma (fair or not) that since he got his new contract, his performance wained. I agree that he is serviceable at LT in one of the game's hardest positions but he does need to perform better in relation to his contract. Time will tell if he can regain his 2014 form.
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Colts win 16-10. While Indy's defense doesn't have Geathers or Davis out there, the defense will show improvement and get 1 or even 2 timely turnovers. The offense will see Moncrief and Hilton carry a bulk of the load while Mack gets some good runs. Hope I'm right.
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10 minutes ago, King Colt said:
Peter KIng said on Mike & Mike Luck will not play until the doctors say he can play. That coming from Ballard's talk with King. Also as I have posted previously Ballard and the organization feel Luck should sit the entre season in order to assure his long term future if the doctors suggest it. This fits the trade with NE because the Colts feel they did not have a back up QB that could win games in 2017. Add to this Alabama center Kelly is out for may 8 weeks, only a sadist would put Luck behind a second rate center. Lets wait and see how well the OL protects in the first few games. If they fail to protect you sit Luck for the entre season.
Multiple things wrong here. For one, if the Colts were to go ahead and sit Luck the entire season, they would've never taken him off of PUP and would of likely put him on IR. The team knows the timetable they are working with. Secondly, the Brissett trade is more of a long-term acquisition. Brissett could play sooner if Tolzien gets hurt or looks really bad within the first couple of games. And Ballard said that Kelly is actually "close" which tells me he may not be out for 8 weeks as you are suggesting. Stop spreading FUD.
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1 minute ago, jvan1973 said:
There is a reason he is starting over Morris. Morris obviously isn't ready
I don't know if that's the case. Morris has clearly outplayed Tolzien the past two preseasons. Now, Morris could be really behind in the film room or not in good terms with the coaching staff but off of just game tape (given its preseason), Morris is the better QB.
I think the Colts have to start Morris. Tolzien could win some games if the defense and running game weren't such a question mark but they are right now. Simply put, I don't think Tolzien could do enough to help the team win in the way that Morris possibly could. Tolzien won't be making big mistakes in all likelihood but he won't be making the big plays that Morris could possibly make either.
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7 minutes ago, GoColts8818 said:
Not to mention the team isn't going to say our QB is less than 100%. That's telling other teams to go after him.
Some fans need to get over the idea NFL teams are going to be honest about injuries. They aren't. They are going do whatever they think will help them win a game and if they think they can get the smallest of advantages from lying about an injury they are going to do it and not blink an eye. There is no conspiracy theory in this. They aren't trying to get one over on the fans, in reality they don't care about the fans when it comes to injuries, they are trying to bluff another team.
Sorry I know you didn't say anything like that I was just responding to your point with my first sentence and then the over thought of the thread.
I agree 100%. Fans would love to have a full update on whenever Luck is going to come back but the reality is, even if the team actually knows, they're not going to tell the public.
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If the price is reasonable, I would sign him. A lot of potential suitors out there though.
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Wondering how much Ballard will influence this decision. I feel like under Grigson, the team might've been tied to starting Tolzein simply because he was paid to come in and fill that role, irregardless if he's actually capable of doing the job. Now we might see a change in that philosophy.
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The Sanchize didn't play for the Jets, he plays for the Colts!
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On 8/25/2017 at 7:49 PM, southwest1 said:
Pagano has been here since 2012. How many passes does 1 guy deserve honestly? Okay sure, the franchise QB having a lacerated kidney & shoulder surgery doesn't help. However, the head coach monitors many facets of the squad: Special teams, Secondary, Linebackers, Goal line scoring, & run defense. Obviously, he will let his coordinators run their units independently, but some oversight on his part is necessary & the buck stops with him. It just does.
"So the solution is to change out the coaching staff AGAIN after one season? Really? How is that suppose to benefit Luck, who was already projected to miss most of the offseason? Expecting him to not only rehab but learn the an entirely new offense without an offseason is expecting a lot."
What 1 season? Pags has been here since 2012. Why do some fans view Chuck on a yr to yr basis instead of his entire tenure as head coach? Explain to me this loyalty obsession to Pagano because I just don't get it. When Jerry Jones bought the Cowboys in 1989, fired Tom Landry, & hired Jimmy Johnson that eventually panned out. So, you think the alternate is to make Chuck Pagano the next Marvin Lewis then? I think Luck is smart enough to adapt to new coaching & where he leads others will follow just fine. It's almost as if some fans fear that INDY will regress for yrs simply because we decide to go in a different direction. If the Texans win the AFC South Crown again, Chuck will definitely be gone. Forget the rehab of Luck, look at the entire team & to what degree the secondary improves under him since 2012? Remember, he was hired here due to the Ravens defensive prowess. Never forget that.
"If that were true, this team would have had sustained success beyond that year."
Not necessarily. Isn't the NFL adage that every season is a new season with new faces, new players, & different skill sets? Even veterans will tell you, just because things fell in place for success on a squad the previous yr, it doesn't mean that continued prosperity is a given as you know.
"There was no point in getting rid of an entire system and staff after just one season. Teams like the Browns do that and look at where they end up each season."
Again, it's been more than 1 season Restored & why whenever a coaching change is mentioned do the Browns always come to the forefront. Arthur Blank has made regime changes before & I seem to recall the Falcons under Dan Quinn making a SB appearance this yr too. Do not fear change embrace it.
Late reply here but if we are looking at the body of work, Pagano hasn't had a losing season. Is he a flawed coach? Sure. And don't get me wrong, I am no means his biggest fan. I just thought heading into this year it would make more sense to keep the existing staff in place while Andrew goes through his rehab in the offseason. Not to mention players having to learn a new system after just learning one the season prior with a lot of young pieces on defense.
You are putting a lot of faith in Luck's ability to miss not only an entire offseason but have to learn a new system too. When Manning missed the entire 2008 offseason, he started off the season very slow. That was also without having to learn a new system and having a lot of the same pieces in place, unlike what Luck would've had to go through had the staff been let go.
So "every season is a new season" but on the other hand you are telling me to examine Pagano's body of work since 2012? We can't have it both ways here SW.
I'm all for regime changes when necessary but the timing has to be right. If anything, I think Pagano should've got let go after 2015 along with Grigson but that didn't happen. But now since a good portion of the staff just got changed out last year and Luck is rehabbing from an injury, I'm opting to give them this year. If they don't make the playoffs then yes, Pagano has to go. We are on the same page in that regard.
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9 hours ago, southwest1 said:
I'm not putting you in this category Restored, but I get the sense from some fans that they tend to focus on Pagano's first few season's here as opposed to the last 2 yrs missing the playoffs. The NFL is a what have you done for me lately league as you alluded to in your last paragraph.
I'm sorry I don't buy that Chuck was powerless to Ryan's alter ego arrogant ways even though this was Pagano's first shot at being an NFL head coach. Yes, I'm well aware of Grigson's desire to keep Trent Richardson in the starting rotation longer then Chuck may have wanted. So want. Chuck isn't some delicate little flower man. Come on. You have a private meeting 1 on 1 with your GM & express your concerns that Richardson isn't pulling his weight in your estimation & you strongly suggest altering INDY's RB rotation. If that doesn't work, you go straight to Jimmy & say "Look, I've discussed this with Ryan & we fail to see eye to eye here on our ground game lineup. I'm not trying to step on anybody's toes here. I just wanna win games for this franchise & let's shake things up a bit to see if we can ignite a spark on offense. I don't believe I'm in the wrong here. What do you think Mr. Irsay?"
Deflate Gate or playing in the AFC Championship Game proves that there was enough talent, teamwork, & chemistry on the roster & in the front office to at least compete for a ring Restored. All franchises have rifts in them even the Steelers, Seahawks, & Patriots.
"I honestly thought changing out a good portion of the coaching staff and letting them get a few seasons would be best for the team heading into this year."
You have got to be joking. Absolutely not. If leadership at the head coaching position is insufficient, no amount of strategic chess moving is going to solve your problem of not being competitive late in the yr.
Your line about "a few more seasons" under the bulk of this regime almost made me fall out of my chair. Sometimes, this franchise is too loyal to mediocrity for my tastes.
I agree that the NFL and its fansexpect more immediate results. However, to to be fair about the playoffs, the team was going no where without Luck in 2015. No matter who the coach would've been that year.
I don't believe its as easy as you're making it sound. Irsay has been adamant about being a hands-off owner since Polian's tenure. It appears easy now that we know how bad Richardson was but at the time, very few could've concretely know. Pagano nor any coach would to make it a habit of just superseding the GM and going straight to the owner just to get their way either. I believe Pagano eventually did go to Irsay but likely not until he tried working it out with Grigson man to man. Maybe that process took longer then most people would've liked but I can't fault either of them in that sense.
If that were true, this team would have had sustained success beyond that year. The team that year had some of the same inconsistency issues that stem from coaching while some of the bad drafting finally caught up to them. Yes, other organizations have rifts but those teams don't have those issues reach public level like it did with Pagano and Grigson. I don't think their relationship started that way either. It took time for it to deteriorate.
So the solution is to change out the coaching staff AGAIN after one season? Really? How is that suppose to benefit Luck, who was already projected to miss most of the offseason? Expecting him to not only rehab but learn the an entirely new offense without an offseason is expecting a lot. Not to mention you're having a whole new staff teaching new concepts/schemes after having players just learn a new system one season prior. There was no point in getting rid of an entire system and staff after just one season. Teams like the Browns do that and look at where they end up each season.
I'm not saying a few more seasons beyond this one. I said give the staff a few seasons (2 counting this one to be exact). If the team doesn't make the playoffs this year, I'm fine with moving on from Pagano and his staff. But heading into this year, the better solution was to keep the staff intact with only year prior. Change doesn't happen overnight.
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8 hours ago, southwest1 said:
This is pretty much my take on Pagano. I just don't buy this notion that Grigson held all the power, got chummy with Jimmy, & because of this alliance Chuck couldn't get anything he wanted done. If he got us to the Deflate Game vs NE, then that demonstrates that the working relationship between the owner, then GM, & Pags must not have been as horrific as some prefer to claim that it was.
Also, you can't tell me that Chuck was afraid to teach & discipline players as he saw fit either. This is professional not pee wee football. All coaches at this level know that running a football program as a HC is an exclusive club so do it your way without any regrets because if you get the boot; it might be a long wait until another vacancy becomes available to do the same thing in another city.
I know what the excuse is gonna be after this year. Our roster was overcome with injuries give Chuck more time. No! No! No! 5 years will be plenty to determine that Chuck will never win a ring under his stewardship. Time to start the search & screen committee of candidates on Pagano's replacement now. I'm so sick & tired of Pagano keeps getting a bad deal. Maybe he's just not good enough at this level.
I have to respectfully disagree here on a few things SW. For one, as another poster pointed out, there have been plenty of instances that showed where Grigson undermined the coaching staff. Just because they worked together on Deflategate doesn't mean that they could've had issues elsewhere.
While it is pro football, ego's run rampant in this business. Grigson had a reputation for having a inflated ego (plenty of articles and stories about it). It's entirely plausible that Grigson pushed the staff to play certain players (ie. Trent Richardson). Also, if Pagano opted to go against Grigson's orders, he could've been fired for undermining his boss. And when coaches get fired in this business, it's VERY tough for them to rebound back into a staff position on a team, let alone a head coaching job.
This last part I do somewhat agree with. Regardless of the circumstances this year, this team cannot miss the playoffs or else Chuck will be gone. I honestly thought changing out a good portion of the coaching staff and letting them get a few seasons would be best for the team heading into this year instead of clearing house, especially with Luck being projected to miss the whole offseason. But if this team can't rebound and make the playoffs this year, Chuck should/will be let go.
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Not going to happen. Pure speculation.
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I'm buying that he is noticeably different in what he says. You can tell in his press conferences that he is vocally expecting more out of players than in previous seasons (atleast publicly). Time will tell if this mantra produces any changes.
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Not good about Kelly. If Luck is playing week 1 (which is up in the air), they might consider getting Zuttah to fill the hole.
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17 hours ago, Gabriel Alexander Morillo said:
No one should take anything away from these media puffpieces
We read junk like this all the time. All of us read the Grigson and Pagano articles
To be fair, there was also plenty of pieces that dove into how Grigson and Pagano's relationship was failing.
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https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/08/10/indianapolis-colts-chris-ballard-chuck-pagano-nfl-notebook
Few bits I took away:
Pagano on Ballard: "“There wasn’t one of those a-ha moments like, ‘This is gonna be phenomenal,’” Pagano told me. “I can tell you six, seven months down the road from when he was hired that he’s brought this building together, he’s brought personnel and coaching together, he’s unified everybody and the culture. It’s us. We’re all here working for one reason and one reason only and that’s to win, and get ourselves back in a position to get in the playoffs and do what they’ve done here forever."
Ballard on picking players: “Making sure that I understood what they wanted in a player, that’s always the most difficult thing,” Ballard says. “You’re not bringing players in for your ego. You’re bringing them in so the coaches can be successful. You match what they want. … You can’t just shove players down coaches’ throats. There has to be a level of agreement from both sides. And then when there’s a disagreement, we put the tape on.”
Enjoy the read!
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54 minutes ago, Smonroe said:
He needs to show out. Powell and Farley are on his heels, and apparently have outplayed (out practiced) him so far.
I'm no TJ Green fan by any means but.....
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4 minutes ago, krunk said:
Don't sound good
Monachino said that he's made a quantum leap. Just has to prove it under the lights.
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3 minutes ago, TKnight24 said:
*inserts Moncrief injury prone post here*
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I've been big on Rogers and think he easily has potential to lock down the #3 position.
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Fake news yet again.
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On 7/27/2017 at 11:27 AM, Albaby said:
I hate to say it, but I think Mariota (spelling?) has the potential to be great. He just needs to be traded out of our division. Luck is better, of course.
He still struggles to go through his reads fully and has trouble pushing the ball to the outside hash marks on intermediate/deeper throws. But his arrow is definitely pointing up, especially with the improvements the Titans have made personnel wise.
But to the article's point, one thing I didn't add was how it's easy to take for granted Luck's ability to stay composed in the pocket with his footwork and vision when things are going crazy. I believe only Aaron Rodgers is better in this regard.
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My ONLY concern with Luck's injury at this point is the level of rust he will have coming into the season. It's fair to look back on the 2008 season when Peyton Manning was coming into the season after knee surgery. He was noticeably rusty (whether from lack of practice or recovering from the injury or both) and it took until mid-season for him to truly regain form. Different injuries but the lack of practice reps heading into the regular season will still be about the same for both of them.
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-Butler should not be playing safety. When Green got beat for the touchdown over the middle, Butler was 10 yards in front of the play and completely out of position.
-Speaking of Green, there is no logical reason to put a "project" in at CB. If you want to give him some reps in the slot during the game then thats fine. But don't start him at a primary position for a large part of the game.
-Hooker and Wilson should've played a bit more, if not the whole game. Wilson was once again in good position but didn't make a play on the ball. Hooker wasn't involved in too many plays to warrant judgement.
-Woods, Simon and George play admirably. Bostic looked lost in coverage. Hankins didn't contribute much which was very disappointing given the money he was paid.
Overall, the pass rush showed little improvement from last year while the run defense appeared to be somewhat better. The secondary is still in bad shape and the LB's still look bad in pass defense.