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Lol at Broncos fans wanting Luck.
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In terms of food places I'd check out:
-The Eagle
-St. Elmo's
-Bakersfield
-Titanium
Slippery Noodle right outside Lucas Oil usually has some decent tailgating going on before the games.
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Everyone in here is throwing their own darts out so I might as well also..
I think the doctors, trainers etc. were likely consistent in what they were telling Irsay but he saw the more positive side of their analysis and decided to run with it. It's not necessarily unexpected that Irsay would be that way given he has a business to run but I have a feeling he wasn't being mislead as much as he was hearing what he wanted to hear.
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4 hours ago, crazycolt1 said:
I have explained my thoughts and realize Pagano does have some negatives. IMO that comes for a coach who knows his days are numbered and mentally he is in panic mode. The problems are super magnified because of the losses. He is under a microscope with those who want him gone so anything that can be viewed as negative is beat into the ground. Those problem didn't arise when he had a roster he could work with. A coach who took a rag tag team from a 2-14 season to three 11-5 seasons just didn't all of a sudden forget how to coach. Has he made some mistakes? Yes, but that is inherent in all coaches but are overlooked as long as the team is winning.
He was dealt a losing hand when this season started.
To the bolded: That is false. The team has started slow in games and to start the season in general every year under Pagano's tenure with this year included. But it's not because the team all of a sudden doesn't have talent. They have just gotten progressively worse. And the real issue now is that Pagano's mistakes are having more of a direct impact on losses since the margin for error has thinned with Luck being out.
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11 hours ago, crazycolt1 said:
That talent we have? We have zero depth and the talent we did have left over the last three years.
Crazy, you have to stop dealing in absolutes here. Have the Colts lacked in talent that past couple of years? Sure. But the team's issues do not solely rest at the feet of Ryan Grigson and the players he brought in. This team had Luck last year and a lot of the same issues with regards to coaching still remained ie. the bad timeouts, questionable playcalling and blowing leads. I'll admit, I was a proponent of keeping Pagano this season and having him work with Ballard but the issues that have plagued him since his tenure began have only gotten worse and worse each season, with this one being the peak. It's time for him to go.
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53 minutes ago, PrincetonTiger said:
If you fire a coach in mid season their is often a perception that a new coach will have a short leash and will drive some off
Which is why the Colts have rarely, if ever, fired a head coach during the season.
But to another point, this will be the best head coaching vacancy available to a prospective coach:
-Solid ownership
-Good GM that has connections all across the league.
-Good QB coming back next season.
-Top 5/10 draft pick
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Trade Luck and GET ALL THE TOP PIKSSSS!!!111!!1!1!
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Just now, csmopar said:
Agreed. But I could see a coordinator or two going too
Yeah I think that's more likely to happen. Maybe Chud?
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I just don't see Pagano getting fired until the end of the season. Irsay typically waits until the end to let people go.
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14 minutes ago, The Fish said:
I simply don't think Gruden has any real interest. BSPN $ for one night a a week for 1/3 of the year? Who'd leave?
And I'm not convinced we should really want him.
And Cowherd still sucks. What a lame take.
Not Jason Smith bad though..
https://mobile.twitter.com/howaboutafresca?p=s
"Colts should sit Luck all season. Tank. Trade him off-season to a team who still thinks he's elite. You'll get high 1st & more for him.."
Was he drunk tweeting?
Honestly, I want a more offensive-minded coach this time around. This offense is in desperate need of innovation and creativity. The defense will be fine IMO once some more talent is added and a better DC is added.
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30 minutes ago, chad72 said:
Doyle never really separated much last year either, he was just good at catching in traffic and Luck's evasiveness helped him. This year, he has regressed in the "catching in traffic" department. He never truly had speed to separate to begin with. He was always a high floor but limited ceiling guy that overachieved. Swoope was the high ceiling guy that we truly miss, IMO.
I noticed Doyle being slow in pre-season as well and pointed that out. We are going to have to run the lights out on Sunday to stand a chance. Given our OC's play calling history, we might do things right the first half but fall apart in the second half.
Yeah he's never been a speedy or quick TE and that's not been the issue with him this year. Some of these plays he was open though and just didn't secure the ball. On the fumble he was open but was struggling to handle it after catching it initially and then he fumbled shortly after gaining control of it.
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Quick thoughts here:
-Something is mentally off with Jack Doyle. The fumble and the dropped passes were really bad and teams are starting to key in on his fumbling issues. There isn't a direct reason for his bad performance so far this season and he is a shell of what he was last year.
-Once again the offense played well to start the game but went decidedly cold in the second half that led to the defense getting gassed.
-The offensive and defensive lines began to wore down in the late 3rd and into the 4th quarters that led to big plays.
-Monachino said that the defense was going to try to and mix in more ways later in the game to generate pass rush (ie. blitzes) and they were not effective at all despite the fact that Mariota was largely immobile because of his injury.
-Why in the world was Mack given only 2 carries?
-For the life of me I can't understand why Sheard gets put in pass coverage. Coaching staff should never allow that to happen.
-Morrison and Bostic are bad. Morrison's best play of the night came on his own teammate when he knocked Melvin out of the game the first time.
This team simply doesn't know how to play a complete football game. There's some really bright stretches but way too many really bad ones. It's the same storyline as last year and this time there is no Luck to make up for the blemishes. And until this team can find a way to fix that this will be the storyline.
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12 hours ago, dgambill said:
Uhh Cleveland would beg to differ. There really isn't a lot different on this team but leadership from top down.
Cleveland is the exception to the rule here. Houston has managed to build itself up after being a bottom feeder for around 8-10 years. The Jets have been recently bad but had some success in the late 2000's/early 2010's after being bad for some years. Cardinals were also bad for many years in the 2000's until things sprang together for them in 2008.
The Jags also have added some pieces defensively that made them even better than last year and added a very good RB via the draft so there is some notable changes personnel wise on top of their front office changes.
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10 years of mediocre to bad football will eventually net you enough good picks to put SOMETHING together.
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1 hour ago, RollerColt said:
We can probably thank Ariens for that, it seems like it's ingrained in Luck's mind and nature to wait for big plays to develop.
1 hour ago, DaColts85 said:I agree with you there. Every OC has taken that and held onto it a little to tight at times. I honestly think it is and was because Arians was the first OC Luck had and they had success with some deep balls and Luck loved that. I would say Luck has been one key influence in that as well. Pure speculation obviously on my part!
Yeah and to be fair, Luck's physical traits do fit fairly well with that philosophy. He has elite arm strength and has an uncanny ability to extend plays in ways that only a select few QB's can. The problem is that the offense is too reliant on that ability and its led to Luck having an absorbent amount of hits over the years.
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Just now, DaColts85 said:
Oh Pep did run a west coast...but it did evolve into the No Coast as I mentioned, yes. He developed what he liked as his version of offense and he talked about it many times. If he would have stayed with the West Coast he may have not been fired (just my opinion). Now have we always had systems that regardless allow for deep passes and long routes, yes! If this is the "philosophy" you speak of then ok. Other than that the schemes are different regardless of "philosophy".
Yeah, I've always thought that Pep tried to get a little too ambitious for his own good among the many other issues that affected the offense's crash and burn in 2015. But yes, in a nutshell the philosophy of deep drops with long-developing pass plays has been a frustrating but consistent trait of the offense since Pagano came to the team.
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9 minutes ago, DaColts85 said:
As @jvan1973 stated above. Arians was way different than Pep. I would give you the similarities between Pep and Chud, but not based on Pagano's philosophies. Pep ran the West Coast/No Coast as he called it. Chud runs Air Coryell.
14 minutes ago, jvan1973 said:I disagree about the philosophy being the same under all three. Especially Arians
Pep did NOT run a West Coast offense. In 2013, he ran more of a west coast style with a number of power schemes but that largely changed in 2014/2015. He may have called it that in press conferences but the philosophy was still heavily predicated on long drops with deep passes. He did incorporate more intermediate to short throws, especially in 2013. But after that, the offense has been by and large very similar.
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Just now, jvan1973 said:
Led to believe that by who?
Pagano's offensive philosophy has closely aligned with the type of coordinator he's brought in with Chud. Pep ran a different system in college but ended up running a scheme here that closely aligned to Pagano's philosophy. My point is that if Brian became OC like some are pointing too, we may seem some changes but I doubt the main philosophy of the offense changes drastically.
1 minute ago, DaColts85 said:Our offense has looked different with all 3 OC's we have had since Pagano has been here. What influence and where is it coming from?
The main philosophy has remained the same under all 3.
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The problem with putting him in any expanded role is that he will ultimately be handicapped by Pagano, whom I've been led to believe has more influence on the offense than many think.
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13 hours ago, BOTT said:
Why?
Why not?
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1 minute ago, GOZER said:
No I understand what you mean, I know I've seen other occurrences of him getting guys hyped up on sidelines. I would say that celebration is also meant to get his teammates hyped as well, IDK. You're right though probably not too many times because he's too hard on himself and always takes the blame even if he is working with a sub-par offensive line. JMO. He is his own worst enemy IMO.
Yeah there are a few other times where he has displayed fire and emotion on the sidelines with teammates but its just rare to see with him. Again, it's not a bad thing but just something I think myself and other people wouldn't mind seeing more often.
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9 minutes ago, GOZER said:
heres another one.....not on sidelines and end of game but still he shows emotion and fire at times!
You're confusing on-field celebrations with some of the things that MB and myself were referring to. I never assumed Luck was some unemotional stiff either.
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2 minutes ago, Valpo2004 said:
It's always been a deeply flawed team and yet he's lead it to wins.
The biggest thing to keep in mind is that I expect him to be somewhat rusty and not at 100% when he finally does step back onto the field.
So I would caution against the idea that he is going to come and save our season at this point.
He does lead them to wins but as you said, he will likely be rusty for a period of time and I don't expect him to save the season either considering this team is already 1-3 and still has many other issues to address.
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