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22 hours ago, Superman said:
Yes, most of that is clear from the story.
But this is Pat's version of the story. In his own version, I think he comes off as petty, arrogant, spiteful and unprofessional. Also as a target of a petty, arrogant and spiteful GM, but nonetheless, Pat's own telling of the story makes Pat look bad.
And it seems clear that Pat told the story in this way because he thinks it helps his reputation, which, to me, says something about Pat's attitude. There was no 'I felt bad for taking it out on Chuck,' there's no implication that he ever apologized... It's like 'yeah, I'm this cocksure, presumptuous and impetuous guy who says whatever I want, whenever I want, to whomever I want, and I can because I'm a good punter -- don't you like that about me?' And no, I don't like that about him. It's not endearing, even if I think everything he said to and about Grigson is 100% correct.
You're doing a lot of inferring and reaching here but I understand the sentiments. Pat isn't the most humble guy in the room and has a bit of an ego. The deeper issue is that this type of treatment he got from the organization (mainly Grigson) wasn't just an isolated issue and appears to be one of a long string of incidents that aren't just unique to Pat. When we put it in that context, its easier to understand why he reacted this way in that moment.
Not saying that Pat wasn't already like this in terms of his personality traits, but its tough to not think that Grigson and co. drove him to act out in this way at the end. We see it all the time in everyday business cases where management continually berates and belittles employees to the point of where they can't stand it anymore like we saw here with Pat.
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3 minutes ago, Superman said:
There's more to this story -- and my reaction to it -- than whether Grigson deserved to be cussed out. And really, my reaction to Pat's response isn't really about the words he said to Grigson.
As for talking to other managers about his interaction with Grigson, that isn't a problem either. If Pat had gone to Pagano and discussed the situation with him in something resembling a professional manner, that would be perfectly fine, and even advisable, like you say. But Pat says he walked into Pagano's office and cussed him out, too, even though he had nothing to do with it. Did you go to other managers and tell them to go bleep themselves?
I think its important to realize that this incident between Pat and Grigson was very likely not the first clash between the two. This time appeared to be more of the straw that broke the camel's back.
I believe that Pagano was more amicable in discussions with players and likely much more respectable but ultimately felt his hands were tied with some of the decision making that would come down from Grigson.
Now, do I think Pat went a bit overboard with his reaction here? Maybe. But ultimately, his reaction appears to reflect a build up of animosity and resentment towards Grigson that from what we've seen and heard over the years from other players and personnel, reflects a horrible image of Grigson.
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9 minutes ago, Steamboat_Shaun said:
He's a perfect fit for our scheme, and an absolute freak. He could legitimately be the difference between having a 7-9 record or making a deep playoff run.
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21 minutes ago, Steamboat_Shaun said:
This is the 1 time where I'd be fine with it. The past 5 years this forum has been pounding the table for edge rushers, & now a proven elite EDGE is on the trading block & we don't want to pull the trigger because it'd cost a high draft pick?
I get that it'd go against Ballard's philosophy of building through the draft, but this move could significantly reduce the time of the rebuild on the defensive side of the ball. At the very least, the Colts should be calling the Raiders to see what it'd cost.
I agree. Opportunities like this don't around that often and while the price could be high, you're looking at a massive game-changer at one of the team's most critical positions, especially with how the defensive scheme has changed this year.
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19 hours ago, Superman said:
Good play calling, plain and simple. Good play callers are acutely aware of the strengths and weaknesses of their players, and they call the game in a way that takes advantages of the players' strengths while trying to minimize their weaknesses.
If a team with a good QB routinely struggles to find an offensive rhythm early in games, I'm looking at the play calling first.
Exactly. The Seattle game offered a glimpse of what good playcalling can do for a QB to help him settle into a rhythm early on in a game.
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6 hours ago, Pacergeek said:
I thought Ebron looked very slow last night. On his first catch, if he breaks one tackle, he has a big gain. Eric went down quite easily after the catch. I'm glad he made the catches, but in the NFL, you have to be able to break tackles
I would agree with that assessment. That was always a knock against Fleener when he was here as well in that he had trouble breaking tackles. I'm hopeful that he will ramp it up in the regular season and be put in better positions with actual planned playcalling/scheme.
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2 minutes ago, Gramz said:
My thoughts too. I didn't like what I saw last night, but keeping an open mind that things will get better.
I agree. I think back to Brady in 2009 after his year away and Manning in 2012 and both were a bit rusty until about 5-6 weeks into the season. Could be the same scenario here.
P.S. Good to see you back. I took a break from the forum as well for a time and glad to be back.
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Anywho....
Andrew did indeed look rusty. Quite a bit more so than he did last week in Seattle. The playcalling was also a bit odd and seemed very predictable at times as well. It will still take some time to knock off the rust completely. The next game against San Fran should help develop more of a clear picture of just where the team is at since there will be more of a formal game plan and structure in place.
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11 minutes ago, Flash7 said:
To be fair, under Manning, the Colts had Freeney and Mathis. When the Colts had a lead, they pinned their ears back and got after the quarterback. This year's defense does not have anywhere near that combo of sack artists.
I agree that having a lead will help the defense.
I agree. Sheard and Simon are no Freeney and Mathis but the underlying principles of what situations help both defensive schemes work best are the same.
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Yeah it is a significant loss for Indystar but it appears he will still be doing Colts reporting with The Athletic. Don't really care for his political commentary but he did do some good Colts reporting over the years.
On a side note, it looks like The Athletic is garnering a whole crop of sports reporters from different newspaper outlets and the like all over the country. We've already been witnessing the downfall of major newspapers across the country but this appears to mark a significant step in that direction IMO.
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This team can get to 10 wins and compete for the division.
-The offense will be significantly improved for a number of reasons but the obvious one being the return of Luck. Add in Reich/Sirianni for the offensive game planning and play calling and you have the recipe for an offense poised for success. There remains some question marks with WR depth and the right side of the offensive line. The RB situation isn't exactly fluid either with Mack's injury and Turbin's suspension along with two rookies looking at having to play a significant role early on. But, the offensive line is significantly improved on the left side with Castanzo (if he's fully healthy), Nelson and Kelly and the addition of Ebron could prove to be an X factor.
-The defense will see its fair share of struggles, especially early on as younger players are looking to gain experience and some veteran players return from injury. However, the type of defense the Colts will be implementing is similar to what was seen in the Manning years. Meaning that if the Colts offense is able to build up a lead and dictate what the opposing offense is forced to do, the defense will be in a better position to compete and make plays.
Another factor at play is how the AFC South will play out. If Houston is able to keep its marque players healthy all season, they will be a significant force. Jacksonville's defense will likely continue to be formidable but the x factor for them will be Bortles and his growth as a passer. Titans have a fair defense but the team is operating with a new coaching staff and the offense has been slow to come around thus far in training camp.
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10 hours ago, Superman said:
He's worked with so many different offensive guys who run so many different things. I'm not sure what he will call his offense, but it might be a true blend of multiple concepts. Coryell, west coast, and EP.
I've been looking everywhere to hear one of the Eagles play calls, because I'm curious about the terminology. But whatever it is, they work a lot of uptempo and no huddle stuff, so terminology must not be a hindrance. They even ran a bunch with their backups.
Was looking in this thread for your post to gain an insight and came to the same conclusions. There isn't a whole lot out there. What was he running in San Diego?
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Leave it to Frank Reich to save the day again as a backup..
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Reich or nothing now.
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2 minutes ago, Roger said:
This is interesting. Some sympathy and hate from Pats fan site at SB Nation:
"The bottom line is that if this had happened to the Patriots, we would be up in arms, and rightly so."
https://www.patspulpit.com/2018/2/6/16983832/the-josh-mcdaniels-situation-doesnt-sit-right-with-me
Not at all. Taking pot shots at Irsay's previous substance abuse issues is a lowblow. That fanbase sucks just as bad as their staff, management and owner does.
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Frank Reich or Dave Toub. That's it.
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6 minutes ago, our_dbs_rock said:
I heard he is leaving to take a position with Alabama.
Nah he's staying in New England because Bill is gonna retire!!!!!!111
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Tony Donahue
Mike Florio
Brad Wells
Who else am I forgetting?
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41 minutes ago, Fisticuffs111 said:
Calhoun was also technically the first guy to break Pagano being fired. I figure this is as reliable as it can get, if not straight from the Colts FO.
Not to mention it's always seemed like Irsay has an icy standing with the IndyStar guys, they never usually seem to have super reliable info.It's amazing that for being the local media and literally having it be their only job to cover the Colts, they never seem to break a story with the team. Usually its guys like JMV, Calhoun or some national guys that get the scoop first.
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1 minute ago, CamMo said:
What should be the tell-all? Ian Rapaport’s verbiage? Andrew’s gut feeling? His muscle mass?
Those arms are looking hella good.
It'll be a combination of things.
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1 minute ago, throwing BBZ said:
I can guess just as well as you.
The soreness is gone.
And Lucky is ready to refine his mechanics and start throwing the route tree
He should be looking good before free agency and be ready to be traded to Cleveland by then. yippeeAnd then McDaniels will bring Tebow in and we will go to the Super Bowl by beating New England 40 to 5 in the AFCC in New England after which McDaniels will proceed to the middle of the field and laugh hysterically in belichek's face as a meteor crashes into Earth
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2 hours ago, MightyLucks said:
Luck himself said that throwing isn’t the only way to know. He’s rehabbing and working out. I would think he is firing all the same muscles during these rehab and workouts.
I agree and people need to stop thinking that throwing a football is the tell-all for how his shoulder is doing.
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8 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:
And within the last 10-14 days, Bill Polian said McDaniels is perfect for the Colts and would be great for any team looking for a new head coach.
So with Polian and Dungy signing off, can we PLEASE move on from over analyzing McDaniels past and start looking forward.
Smart NFL people are on board with our hire. The ship had sailed.
BUT OMG DID YOU FORGET ABOUT WHAT HE DID IN DENVER OMG HES GOING TO DESTROY US!!111!!1
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1 minute ago, Nadine said:
this is so confusing Why is there a rule at all?
Clearly this is happening anyway
The rule is joke.
Pat McAffee Story in IndyStar
in Colts Football
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Oh of course. Pat certainly has a reputation in regards to his personality but his reaction and story really is highly reflective of a fairly common practice in businesses today:
Disgruntled and under appreciated employee blows up on head management after string of incidents.