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This I also agree with. Footballs hard, especially RB. I don’t care how they fight for their dollars. BUT I wouldn’t give them big long term money.

Definitely effected by the crappy team around him no doubt. I didn’t see that you had typed the 2 instead of the 1.

Just sneak in a flask and you are golden.

Where in Kentucky? I can hit a log wedge to KY from my back porch. The border where I live is actually usually on the north side of the water unless the river is in total winter flood.

Well that's under a 1000. What's the issue?

@Superman Thought you'd get a kick out of that Supe. My bad. Gracias for the correction.

Yep. @Superman is occasionally on the right side of an argument.

And it's likely that the unhappiness is related to the NFL market determining that RB aren't worth big money contracts.

Can't say as I noticed that specifically, but I can say I noticed Ryan stunk lol. So I would assume he stunk when throwing to Pittman too lol.

I disagree. He is a more impactful player than Pitt. He produced roughly the same his Rookie year without Chase than he did his other two years. I think Higgins could be a 1300-1500 yd. receiver with 10-12 TDs with the increased target share of a primary receiver.

He went from 12.3 to 9.3. Drop off sure, but not quite as dramatic lol.

Yep, there are some players that are going to get fat deals too. I love Higgins, but we have Pittman. I'd much rather have Higgins. If the question is do we resign Pittman or get Higgins as a FA, the latter is a no brainer to me.

I was but I think solid is disagreeing with your premise that we should pay our stud RB because we don’t have great catchers.

@2006Coltsbestever I want to give you a chance to renounce your like because you must misunderstand what I’m saying. I think not having a great WR is a reason NOT to give big money to a RB. Double and triple down on finding pass catchers and run a committee RB unit. The Bengals were able to pay a ton to a RB because they had young stud receivers in Higgins and Boyd not making much, then they drafted Chase. Since their WR unit is spectacular and nit eating much cap as a function of their production, they were able to avoid cutting Mixon with the big number.

Kinda the opposite to me.

I hear what you are saying. He might be QB prodigy but haven’t seen evidence on film that he consistently shows that level of accumulated knowledge. He has great tools and one thing I really like about him is he seems to move around without panicking. what I’m saying here though is that there are 4 year old genius IQ prodigies out there and I have way way way more knowledge than all of them combined with my ahem several decades of experience. Mini camp is NOT really FB. He is never under any true pressure because he can’t be hit. If this kid is great right away that would be shocking. He’s young, inexperienced, raw and never ran a consistently good offense in college. It seems almost implausible that he would come into the league and take it by storm. . . BUT-if they run what Hurts ran it should be a much less steep learning curve. Ideal scenario is the line plays top 3rd again and D’s are terrified of JT running through the tackle box, threatening a TD every time he finds a crack, they pee down their legs though afraid AR fakes the belly to JT, runs around the collapsed edge, and scurries in the open field, then when they overplay the AB and C gaps and the edges there is space behind the sucked up LBs and SSs, to hit high school jump type passes to the big bodied TEs over the middle and the new slot guy, Pittman in 1 on 1 50/50 balls in the intermediate areas outside the numbers and on slants and digs coming back toward the middle, AND then when they guard all that AR simply tosses the ball up and Pierce runs under it over the top of the Completely confused and highly stressed FS. Man I get what they are trying to do . If it works out it’s going to be a fun watch. I could see this happening but I’m looking to 2nd half of year 2 as the time this likely comes together. IF it ever comes together. the reality is that most QBs fail including those highly drafted and I personally am not at all confident in our line. Hopefully they will bounce back. That’s not implausible to me. But to me there are many obvious reasons that makes it likely AR struggles for a while. Why slow playing his development might be prudent. In another post I mentioned do we really want AR to absorb the punishment of 150 plus totes ala Hurts in year 3 for a team likely not to be competing at a playoff level this year?

Well I see more than just accuracy that would prevent a 20 year old kid with a dozen starts in CFB from starting in the NFL right away. I'd be really surprised if we went with that baseball type closer relief guy with Minshew, but the NFL is changing. That's pretty radical though.

This longer post was part of a different thread. I’m putting it here because it addresses these issues. Apologies for the redundancy. As far as AR when he starts. . . There isn’t clear evidence which method ie. Start right away or gradual insertion into the starters role is better. Mahomes sat and Burrow started day one. Brady sat, Peyton started, etc. etc etc. for me, I don’t think anyone serious in the org thinks that we are ready to compete this year. I could be wrong but I’m pretty sure most FB guys know we are a ways a way and the org has clearly stated they know AR needs development. Since this is likely the case, I would want to make sure the line isn’t the incompetent one of last season or the really bad pass pro one of the Wentz year when grooming AR. I believe we are seeing orgs willing to use disposable QBs ie. Guys that will run a lot and be dramatically less effective as they approach 30 because of taking hits like RBs do who rarely are near their peak at 28 or 29 because of accumulated damage. Like running JT or anyone 300 times, you are almost certain to be limiting that players league life span. So a question I have is that if we are going to run an offense similar to what Hurts ran last year, what advantage would their be toracking up hits for a whole season in a 20 year old guy running an O much simpler than the traditional NFL O.This type of offense does not take near asmuch non physical development so it’s not going to effect ARs time table asmuch. This is a team that intended to slow play a RB, Taylor in his rookieseason, until Mack got hurt. if ar were running a pro style O then there is another aspect of the debate which is is it better to let the drop back QB watch and learn or play and learn? For me with AR I’d rather see an emphasis on is the line going to be competentand even if it is, do we want to run this young dude 150+ times here in hisrookie season?

Ryan was the only player that failed at QB here. Wentz was 9th in QBR. QBs played above their average here under Reich. Ryan was a complete misfit here to begin with, even ignoring that he is washed up. We went from MR to AR organizationally and you probably couldn’t pick two players who are more different. This team with a downhill, one cut back, big body pass catchers and highly drafted and paid interior linemen (though recently terrible performance wise) is set up for a dual threat guy. I entertained before the Ryan signing to sign a guy like Mariota that could run a RPO, zone read based O thinking maybe it could maximize the un 2022 looking set of offensive players skill sets. Looks like they are trying that for a few years any way. As far as AR when he starts. . . There isn’t clear evidence which method ie. Start right away or gradual insertion into the starters role is better. Mahomes sat and Burrow started day one. Brady sat, Peyton started, etc. etc etc. for me, I don’t think anyone serious in the org thinks that we are ready to compete this year. I could be wrong but I’m pretty sure most FB guys know we are a ways a way and the org has clearly stated they know AR needs development. Since this is likely the case, I would want to make sure the line isn’t the incompetent one of last season or the really bad pass pro one of the Wentz year when grooming AR. I believe we are seeing orgs willing to use disposable QBs ie. Guys that will run a lot and be dramatically less effective as they approach 30 because of taking hits like RBs do who rarely are near their peak at 28 or 29 because of accumulated damage. Like running JT or anyone 300 times, you are almost certain to be limiting that players league life span. So a question I have is that if we are going to run an offense similar to what Hurts ran last year, what advantage would their be to racking up hits for a whole season in a 20 year old guy running an O much simpler than the traditional NFL O.This type of offense does not take near as much non physical development so it’s not going to effect ARs time table as much. This is a team that intended to slow play a RB, Taylor in his rookie season, until Mack got hurt. if ar were running a pro style O then there is another aspect of the debate which is is it better to let the drop back QB watch and learn or play and learn? For me with AR I’d rather see an emphasis on is the line going to be competent and even if it is, do we want to run this young dude 150+ times here in his rookie season?

We definitely need a guy with his skill set. Hope he produces here.

Family going the 5th and/or 6th.

Aren’t these the same smart people that thought Matt Ryan was going to take us to the SuperBowl with Matt Pryor guarding his backside?

Maybe but it appears to be accurate .

Just a decade ago. Man sorry that’s funny.

No it isnt. That’s silly. Leonard wasn’t the only guy using that technique either. Ball carriers have adjusted to it and it’s terrible tackling technique. it was a wily vet old church league player move by Shaq and I respect the Hell out of that. He knew he was diminished and figured out how to stay impactful, but it doesn’t make me feel all warm and fuzzy that this tiny off the ball LB had to resort to bad tackling technique to be impactful.