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Dude I feces you not. This is one of my favorite responses I’ve ever seen in this board and is what this place should be about.

I don’t agree in total. PEDs are illegal and when you don’t regulate them you are forcing guys to commit felonies in many cases in order to compete. That seems pretty obvious that it’s unfair to guys that don’t want to commit felonies and as far as I know littlw to do with scholastic considerations. I somewhat see what you are doing, but to me it’s a weak argument. I really don’t see how that is not clearly unfair to guys who follow the law. (Look dude I’m no prude trust me lol. All I’m going to say is that my past times aren’t always legal lol. So it’s never a moral consideration for me.) On the other hand Stallone is in his late 70s and has done roads for over 50 years and is looking and getting around pretty good for a near octogenarian There are many others that seem to be doing fine as former athletes who used. So if your angle is coming from the dangers being seemingly overblown then I agree it seems t be overblown. But as long as they are illegal, I think the league should suspend violators if they wish to. It’s not fair to those who try to abide by the law. I think it’s any orgs’ prerogative to make rules they see fit within the law.

Got a rookie QB so I am not confident of that but they have a pretty good team. If the little guy can play NFL competent starter level ball pretty quickly they should win that division. If he’s good out of the gate they could contend with especially in the NFC.

It’s almost personal with me man. Like I said I had a buddy who didn’t break into the league as a powerless middle infielder until 29 and around the turn of the millennium who likely would have made it 5 years earlier if PEDs hadn’t been so prominent. He did not want to put it in his body. The health risks of PEDs might be quite overblown looking at the long game but I don’t have a problem with the league making its rules on that issue. They were (are?) illegal and so I don’t have a problem with any league suspending for them. Whether or not they should have been or still are illegal is a different question that is a question for lawmakers not the NFL or mlb etc.

you love being on the right side of a debate though Supe ;-)

It’s funny but even though CB is still GM, we are in classic delayed gratification mode with what we have on the roster. The org should be looking forward to 2025 or so with the raw rookie QB IMO.

Yeah I used to “date” a girl who lived in the same condo complex as a fairly prominent Colts player whom I conversed with that told me things I was surprised he revealed when we drank together a couple times. I used to see another girl who’s Dad played and was good friends with Archie Manning and knew PM growing up. She was from SC and told me some things about PM that were contrary to his image. I met PM in a bar downtown after that and he corroborated the info. He also told me that Dungy was bringing some player. In his drawl I can still hear him emphasize that. He was just like he seemed. so I know personally of 2 NFL players that were freer with info than I expected. but to me it begs a giant question. So what? what does that have to do with policy? what difference does that make?

And I didn’t read Supes post till after I responded. The doc he posted clearly states that ALL NFL employees are held to the same standard. I mean I suppose Goodell could ban a janitor for life from cleaning NFL schidders.

I personally support Draconian zero tolerance policies for players, coaches, and management who make bets on NFL games. I don’t know if other employees are held to the same standard. I guess you could suspend janitors for what was it leaking jersey numbers that weren’t laundered. VPs for marketing probably aren’t privy to game plans and real insider stuff I wouldn’t think. They are like hot dog vendors. I guess I support firing janitors who leak unlaundered jerseys (I’m really feeling a Rock eye roll here but will honor your request and refrain). But I don’t think hourly and non football operation salaried employees are anything like contracted players, coaches, and management. I think this is obvious (I need an eye roll like a crackhead needs a rock, but again in good faith I am practicing great self restraint), and I also have to believe you see the difference.

I agree zone has many advantages but most of it IMO is that you get very little read as a defender off the snap from the OL. The zone steps look basically the same on straight runs and RPOs. Gap has advantages too, the greatest of which IMO is that linemen can load up and really go after defenders and try to knock Zone is predominant in the League. Every team runs more zone than Gap. I didn’t look at last seasons stats but every team has run majority zone for several years now with only a handful of exceptions.

I assume he’s talking about RPO using zone blocking v. Gap. Nelson would prefer gap I think he’s saying.

I’m a tepid 3-5 guy. I can tell you this, I’d rather have the team win 3-5 with AR than 6-9 with Minshew. Minshew is a legit lower 3rd starter type, but his ceiling is likely middling. My ideal scenario is the worst record in the league and 1st pick, but with AR showing real promise ie. Manning’s rookie year. If AR is going to be good enough to lead this team to 9 wins next season, nothing else makes much difference because we have a super star for sure. I don’t think anyone including colts management and Anthony’s mother think that he will be that good next season.

I read it as hope. If the phrases Anthony Richardson and 60 mill per are plausibly linked in a few years that means AR is a super duper star. That’s a great way to put it.

yeah right . So should we legalize murder because there are going to be murder and people that aid and abet murder and people that hire people to murder for them? so you want to do away with the policy because people are going to violate it? huh? Are you following your own logic? It would be technically correct that there would be no crime if there were no laws I guess.

So you want to suspend the family and friends from their jobs? Wait a second . . . Oh never mind.

I think it’s cut and dry man. What education is there? That doesn’t seem to fit here. hey if you bet on the NFL you will not be playing in it, there lesson taught. Education complete. almost every job that I can think of has prohibited stuff that if caught doing the employment employee would be fired. Seriously man, why the kid gloves? Dont touch the stove. You do you get burnt. End of lesson.

Yes morality for another time lol. See I just don’t think that the league shares ANY responsibility. The players are not prohibited from gambling. They can gamble on anything but the league. The league is not responsible for individual weakness of will power. As a matter of fact the Draconian gambling rules recognize individual weakness of will and this policy is likely the most effective way to minimize players betting on NFL games. If a pharmacist was caught pinching fentanyl he would lose his license. He works in an environment that has fentanyl. That sells fentanyl. That promotes it to certain degree. Are they responsible if the addicted pharmacist uses? Of course they aren’t.

They just can’t bet on the NFL. And if they are so addicted to gambling that they can’t keep from gambling on NFL games and just gamble on every other possible thing i the multiverse, it’s not the league’s problem. In baseball they used to have notices in all locker rooms about lifetime bans for betting on baseball games. the penalties aren’t nearly as important punitively for the individual, they are to be deterrences all players. You bet on baseball and get caught then you are done. Full stop. it’s clear and fair and necessary IMO. I don’t care about morals for the sake of morality because I don’t even believe in morality. I do think however that rules are necessary for order amongst our species. You just must have Draconian policies to deter betting on the league that you play in IMO to maintain some integrity in the game. But that’s pretty obvious I think. It’s real duh to me

Easily my biggest concern and it’s not close. what concerns me is not AR. He may or may not be good. But that’s no different than any other team. With few notable exceptions, drafting QBs with any pick is a crap shoot even high 1st rounders. my concern is CB’s seeming tendency to over value his own draftees and Rockin Jimmy’s meddling. I hope AR is good he very well could develop that way. I have no idea of what any QB will do in The League let alone this young inexperienced kid whose CFB team had no success. The potential stardom is clear from a raw talent standpoint. But if not, I have little faith in management moving on when it’s appropriate. We will be bad this year in all likelihood. If AR isn’t legit, we will be really bad for the next 3 or so seasons. We should have high picks if that’s the case though. I’d much rather be bad for a few years and have a chance to draft impact talent with high picks than be a 6-9 win team like we have for most of a decade.

Dude you have some goofy takes but you MUST be intentionally obtuse on this one. good god son.

The only thing that really matters this off season is if AR is an actual NFL caliber starter. He’s done little to nothing in CFB games to suggest it objectively. Subjectively, he’s traitsy to the nth degree. Hits will probably be at least 2025 until we see what we have. This season AFAIC he gets a free pass and I’ll just be looking for promise. Next season he needs to be a legit NFL starter. 2025 he needs to show star potential or this org might slip back into the oblivion in which it came to INdy. To me there is basically only one relevant question org wide. Can AR play in The League or not?

Hey everyone @jvan1973 can’t figure out why the NFL doesn’t want players and coaches betting on NFL games.

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No I don’t believe janitors are part of the policy. I guess they could make the locker room really slick and injure a player which could effect the outcome of the game,

It’s not a violation for NFL players to gamble unless it’s on the NFL. It’s not a policy of morality. It’s pragmatism. It would boggle my mind to find out someone didn’t understand why the penalties are so harsh when NFL players gamble on the NFL.