Bad Morty
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Yeah, giving them a list of numbers of which he communicated with is not providing the actual texts that were sent
nor is it hiding the texts from the league.
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As far as I heard the actual texts were never made availible, can you provide a link that says otherwise?
sure...glad to help... http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/07/28/brady-offered-to-help-nfl-gather-missing-text-messages/
The coup de grâce came Tuesday morning, when the league leaked to ESPN that “Brady destroyed his cell phone,” locking in the notion that something sinister — and irreparable — had occurred. The press release announcing the decision likewise focused on the destruction of the cell phone, raising eyebrows from sea to shining sea and reinforcing for many the idea that Brady had something to hide, and that he tried to hide it.
But like the much longer Wells report, closer inspection of the Goodell decision undermines the primary conclusion. And, as usual, the Achilles heel can be found in a footnote.
Specifically, it can be found at footnote 11 on page 12: “After the hearing and after the submission of post-hearing briefs, Mr. Brady’s certified agents offered to provide a spreadsheet that would identify all of the individuals with whom Mr. Brady had exchanged text messages during [the relevant time] period; the agents suggested that the League could contact those individuals and request production of any relevant text messages that they retained. Aside from the fact that, under Article 46, Section 2(f) of the CBA, such information could and should have been provided long before the hearing, the approach suggested in the agents’ letter — which would require tracking down numerous individuals and seeking consent from each to retrieve from their cellphones detailed information about their text message communications during the relevant period — is simply not practical.”
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Phone destroyed, fact
all texts from phone made available and recoverable. Another phony NFL story. Can you believe how badly they bungled this? Lol...Brady is now a sympathetic figure again...Goodell ruined everything for the haters with his incompetence.
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There's also the air pressure measurements and destruction of evidence
no evidence was destroyed. Fact.
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Do you have the measurements of the balls that show they all measured 0.2 PSI under the 12.5 standard ? I'm not asking fr someones version of the ideal gas law , I'm asking for measurements.
It's in the Wells report...Exponent came up with a range they would expect the balls to have landed at based on the Ideal Gas Law and the conditions and most of the Pats balls were south of that number by 0.2 - 0.3 PSI.
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I am pretty bummed out knowing that the longstanding high level scheme to take 0.2 PSI out of footballs has been found out and will be stopped going forward. And we won't even get the #1 overall pick this year after going 0-16.
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Pressure is mounting from national media,
Wetzel: Goodell’s Egregious Mischaracterization Of Brady’s Testimony Worse Than Any Deflated Footballs
The turning of the national media was the best outcome I was hoping for, as this is really (for me) more about what Brady's legacy will be to those that matter. Whether the 4 games stand or don't stand, we finally have objective people saying "wait a second". Fans of other teams are always going to hate irrationally, but as long as the opinion shapers see this for the bungled, way out of proportion hatchet job by the NFL that it is, Brady's legacy will be fine.
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That does not explain how Goodall committed fraud
Goodell leveled a completely unproven claim that Brady bribed people to deflate balls. That's libel. You just can't make claims like that unless you have hard evidence of it. He doesn't. Hard to believe this is even a discussion.
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Uh Oh...
http://www.providencejournal.com/article/20150808/SPORTS/150809364/13988/NEWS
From what I’ve learned in conversations this past week with league sources, it appears that, while some team owners still may want Tom Brady and the Patriots punished as severely as possible, a significant number of owners are “uncomfortable” with the way things are going.
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Notice that he came back and posted after reading this posts and just disregarded it.
Bottom line is he wanted to say Goodall committed fraud by saying Brady gave him compensation. It fit his embellishing lying nonsense that he is always spouting off. When he get's caught and called out , he just pretends he didn't read it.
I thought I addressed this...every ball boy and equipment person in the league is taken care of by their QB...it's standard practice.
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Partially. He claimed he knew Jastremski, but not McNally.
McNally has/had been there for 10 years. Almost as long as Brady himself.
He only knew McNally by a nick name. Not really that big a stretch since McNally was a game day only employee who never worked directly with Brady. Does Bill Gates know the name of the fill in guy who drops the mail off to his office?
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Could very well be true.
As could the theory that the Colts pumped in crowd noise and the Colts tanked to get Luck....
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There is no "proof" as you want it ... just a chain of events that point to exactly what Wells and the Goodall came up with. Tom Brady more likely than not knew about what Jastremski was doing.
and by the way, that's not all that Goodell came up with according to the briefs filed by the NFL...Goodell is now saying far more than "he was generally aware of what was going on"...he came out today and said Brady masterminded this "scheme" and was bribing McNally and Jastremski to carry it out.
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No . of coarse not....but it's just one more thing that could point to his guilt. The issue with you all is that you want direct , tangible proof. Sometimes people spend 50 years in jail without anything more than circumstantial evidence against them. There is no "proof" as you want it ... just a chain of events that point to exactly what Wells and the Goodall came up with. Tom Brady more likely than not knew about what Jastremski was doing.
It is irresponsible to draw a line from "gifts to ball boys" to "bribing ballboys to deflate footballs"....
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In the Wells report (could be more, I skimmed it...)
Items of value received from Brady-
McNally
Two signed footballs
Signed game day jersey
Jastremski-
$1500.00 tip in 2014
$500.00 in cash and gift cards prior years
Two tickets to a Lakers game in L.A.
Signed 50,000 yard milestone game ball
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Once more, your attempt to show fraud or undue bias has fallen short of the mark.
Do you suppose McNally and Jastremski are the only two ball attendants in the league who received gifts from the team's QB?
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Can I get a link to that accusation?
In its brief filed Friday night, the NFL insists that in spite of the Wells Report finding that Brady was “generally aware” of an alleged ball deflation scheme, Goodell did not punish Brady for being generally aware. Instead, according to the NFL, Brady was punished for far worse misdeeds: Brady allegedly “approved of, consented to, and provided inducements in support of . . . a scheme to tamper with the game balls” and “willfully obstructed” the league’s Deflategate investigation.
Given Brady’s categorical denials while under oath to these accusations and the absence of tangible NFL evidence disproving Brady’s denials, it is hard to understand how Goodell reached these conclusions. This seems particularly true of the serious allegation that Brady “induced” John Jastremski and Jim McNally to tamper with game balls (this assumes, of course, the tampering even occurred, rather than, as some insist, any ball deflation merely reflected the Ideal Gas Law in action). If Goodell’s accusation against Brady about an apparent bribe is untrue, it would be well within Brady’s rights to file a defamation lawsuit against the NFL.
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You claim there's no smoking gun to implicate Brady. Yet you have no smoking gun that these events didn't take place as reported. Double standard.
A) The burden of proof is on the accuser, not the accused
B) I have every bit as much circumstantial evidence to support the theory that the NFL isn't being completely honest about this as you do to suggest that Brady was involved in a plot to let 0.2 or 0.3 PSI out of game balls after they were checked. You mockingly laid out a scenario in your reply involving multiple people being in on the NFL's lie. Aside from that not being a good comparison as there were very few people who could say definitively what the pregame testing was or wasn't, nonetheless your scenario sounds awfully similar to the NFL's response to the Ray Rice video fiasco...you know - the one where not a single person in the NFL offices ever saw the video that was easily obtained by an entertainment journalism outfit.
Whether you like it or not, the Goodell era is littered with sketchiness that should make any rational person without an obvious anti-Patriots agenda call into question their version of what went on...and that seems to be what's happening. This "scandal" is now left to fans on message boards. The national pundits are off this ship.
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Is not 12.5 a reasonable assumption, providing-
1. It is where Tom Brady is on record saying he prefers it
2. It is the NFL minimum standard
3. Anderson testified he did it, and two league personnel (D.B. is VP of Officiating) reminded him to be sure it was done (but he says he wasn't concerned with the warnings, he does do them always anyway)
Here is the relevant part, pre-game, that occurred after the Grigson/Sullivan email-
"Kensil also forwarded Grigson‟s email to Dean Blandino and Alberto Riveron, both senior members of the NFL Officiating Department, with the message “see below.” Both Riveron and Blandino decided that they would raise the issue with Walt Anderson, who had been assigned as the referee for the game.
Anderson‟s first formal responsibility with respect to the AFC Championship Game was a routine status call with Dean Blandino on Saturday afternoon. Both Anderson and Blandino recall that their primary topic of discussion was the unusual substitution issue that had arisen during the Patriots playoff game against the Ravens the prior weekend. Blandino also reported that during the call he mentioned that the Colts had raised certain concerns about playing at Gillette Stadium. Although Grigson‟s email was not the focus of the conversation, and may not have been specifically referenced, Blandino reminded Anderson to ensure that proper protocols concerning the footballs were followed.
At some point on Sunday morning, Anderson also had a brief conversation with Alberto Riveron. Without explaining the concerns raised by the Colts in detail, Riveron mentioned that concerns had been raised about the game balls, and that Anderson should be sure to follow proper pre-game procedures. Riveron recalls that Anderson responded that he had things covered and may have mentioned that he had already discussed the issue with Blandino. When interviewed, Anderson said that the issue had been raised with him, but that he had not been overly concerned because he knew that he would check the footballs himself prior to the game."
If Anderson did not check/set the Patriots balls as directed by both Blandino, and Riveron, then are you claiming that there is a possibility the Pats balls were submitted under the legal limit, and it was not caught in the pre-game check? Even though Anderson was instructed at two different times to be sure they were at at least 12.5 psi? I don't know what you are getting at here, or what psi you believe they could be at that my tests would no longer provide for the possibility that more that temperature drop was involved.
Greg Yette (the Junior Alternate official and Kicking Ball coordinator for the AFCCG) prepped the balls along with Anderson. It is reported 2 Patriots balls were under inflated, and Yette pumped those 2 up, and Anderson re-gauged those and let air out until they reached 12.5, based upon readings from the other 10 balls that were measured. So your assumption is Walt Anderson also lied and disregarded two directives to make sure the Balls were at the proper pre game levels allowed. I tend to beleive the report, as it is also known around the league how regimented Anderson was in every pre-game, not just playoffs.
But I'd like to hear your theory on just what psi level the PATS balls were at pre-game. They had to be at something...
I understand all that you are saying...however we are talking about fractions of a psi in pressure making a big difference as to whether or not one can conclude that the balls were tampered with after the refs checked them (which is a violation) or not. We've already seen that gauges can be calibrated very differently. When a team submits balls at 12.5 PSI to the refs for checking, that 12.5 reading came (presumably) from a gauge that the team controls. The ref will have a different gauge (again assuming that they actually use a gauge to check the balls). So a team could submit a 12.5 ball that the ref might read as a 12.1 ball on the ref's gauge...or conversely a team might try to submit a ball that they gauge at 12.1 which the ref's gauge reads as 12.5 and so he allows it to be put into play.
All of this is to say that your analysis relies on the presumption that the Pats balls all started at 12.5 PSI. My guess is that if you were to plug a starting point of 12.0 into your equation, your conclusions would change, am I right? My point is that for a number of reasons I now don't take the NFL's word on this, not the least of which is their proven track record of dishonesty when it comes to this and other disciplinary actions they've taken in recent years. They sold the public originally on the notion that even though the refs didn't bother recording the pressure readings pre-game that the refs did follow protocol, used a gauge, and made sure every ball was 12.5. That was a critical starting point for their witch hunt...if it were concluded that Coleman either didn't bother to gauge the balls (or gauge ALL of the balls) and just relied on feeling them, then this case dies right there. I think people all too willingly bought into the idea that the NFL was trust-worthy here. Hell - Coleman couldn't even apparently keep track of where the balls were seeing as McNally took them...that alone flies in the face of the story line that has him prioritizing the control of the balls and meticulously following protocol regarding gauging and checking each and every ball. We're being sold a lie by the NFL...more and more national analysts are beginning to see this now. The NFL and Goodell in particular are dirty.
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aaaaand now we have the NFL filing a court brief and acknowledging that the Wells report WASN'T independent...as they told Brady and the rest of us over and over and over again. How can anyone take this organization seriously?
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I ran calculations and determined Patriots balls were influenced by more than ambient air temps here-
http://forums.colts.com/topic/38957-the-cbf-report-udated-now-also-using-wells-report-data/
I determine there was indeed hanky panky somewhere along the line... based upon my tests and results in the above link. Until some one shows me ultimate proof otherwise, I'm going on my own investigation and conclusions. AEI hasn't looked at my tests and tried to Jerry-rig an alternative result... LOL!
yep...I read your work and gave you kudos for doing it. But no matter how much work you put into it, you are still at the mercy of accepting the NFL's claims that Coleman actually gauge-checked all of the Pats footballs and that they were all "around 12.5" based on his recollection. The NFL and Goodell have now proven definitively that they are willing to lie to advance this case they are trying to make. Not a single witness SAW Coleman actually gauge the balls...so we are left to just take the NFL's word that it happened, even though we know that refs routinely gave the pre-game ball check little attention, often simply feeling the balls without gauging them. I don't accept the NFL's word that these balls were carefully measured pre-game to the extent that we can then draw any scientific conclusions on the change in air pressure from pre-game to half time.
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zzzzzzzzzz The Ideal Gas Law did not price or prove anything of the sort.
Even if you believe the numbers the NFL provided (and there seems to be less reason to believe those numbers by the day), it's still inconclusive as to whether or not the halftime measurements as compared to the estimated beginning measurements conclusively prove tampering...if you believe there was tampering and you believe the NFL numbers, you are still looking at an inconsequential amount of air being let out. This case is falling apart.
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Some of you need to read this :
http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/07/opinions/dowd-nfl-brady-investigation/index.html
Oh, and about the author, since so many of you refuse to read credible sources :
John M. Dowd served as Special Counsel to three commissioners of Major League Baseball in the investigations of Pete Rose, George Steinbrenner, and others. As a federal prosecutor, he conducted the internal investigation of the FBI and of Congressman Dan Flood of Pennsylvania. He is also the author of is the author of www.DeflategateFacts.com. The views expressed are his own.
The public commentary has done a complete 180 on this. Goodell's bungling and lying has changed the narrative completely.
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To use a urinal that doesn't exist.
So what you are doing is using circumstantial evidence to claim McNally did something to the footballs even though the ball measurements at halftime are inconclusive that that happened. That's fine - possibly even rational and I might even agree with you that just for the look of taking those balls to the bathroom the team should have been fined. But you are then making the jump with this same circumstantial evidence to claim that not only did McNally deflate balls (despite no evidence), but also Brady was directly involved in it and should be suspended and branded a cheater. That is frankly ridiculous.
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LOL at all you dreamers...
Would you maybe like to put up maybe 200K in escrow and we'll bet that I'm not in the middle of doing a 1031 exchange on 8.6 Mill worth of properties ?
I was lol'ing at your "it's obvious" comment...not your career. But good for you...I also have a job and do stuff.
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lol..yes THOSE must be the 3 texts where the scheme was revealed! That Brady...