Bad Morty
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If it were a sting operation they would have checked the ball the patriots brought to the field before they started their first series. use you brain
not if they thought they were deflating balls on the sideline during the game
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So you completely just made that up without any idea of what you were talking about? That is how you debate a subject? It becomes increasingly difficult to take you seriously when you try to make wild speculation part of your argument.
hey - it's not just my opinion...
Initially, Columbia University was mentioned as a potential consultant for Wells, but that never materialized — possibly because Columbia wouldn’t reach the conclusion Wells wanted Columbia to reach.
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That statement is totally false. Wells report states it took at least 2-4 minutes to set up the test. Here's another thing, how long did it take to transport them to the locker room? That also eats into the 13 minute halftime period, but not allow the balls to warm up. So add that to the 2-4 minuets before testing began. That leaves 8 minutes to test all of the balls. it took approx 5 or so to do Pats balls. That means at worst, the very last Colts ball measured had 7 -8 minutes extra warmup time compared to the 1st Pats ball. Best case is less than a minute difference between last Pats ball measured and the first Colts Ball measured. To prove your claim, you need to run a controlled test using these parameters, not ruubing a ball is gone in 15-30 minutes rubbish. You demand a strict and formal test, now so do I or your claim is rubbish.
They knew in advance that they'd be testing the balls, remember? Jackson picked off the ball, notified his people, etc. So all the set-up was done prior to the half...they were ready to go as soon as the half ended. That's how sting operations usually operate.
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The only thing worse than bad science, is no science. And there's no science there. It is pure worthless conjecture. If that is your claim, you need to set up and run a controlled, test via scientific method, that conclusively proves that claim to be correct.
Your hyposthesis - it only takes 12 minutes back in the locker room for the Colts footballs to come very close back to pre-game pressures after an hour and a half in 52 degree temps.
The official time line is Pats balls were started to be measured at halftime was about 4 minutes after they got in to the locker room and set up the testing. It took 5 minutes or so to do the 22 (11x2) Pats balls. It took a couple minutes to do the 8 (4x2) Colts balls and time ran out and the balls had to be turned back to the officials on the field for play.
My hypothesis on the test would be there is not near sufficient time (9-12 minutes back in warm air) to to recover lost air pressure from what approximately 90 minutes in cold air made.
You cant demand conclusive scientific proof from one side, and accept conjecture from the other. Unacceptable.
From the AEI Report:
Fortunately, the Wells report provides sufficient data to test this. First, it specifies the range of pressures that the Ideal Gas Law suggests the balls could have read given the temperature change from indoors to outdoors. That range, according to the report, is 11.32 to 11.52 in the case of the Patriots and 11.80 to 12.00 in the case of the Colts (Wells Jr., Karp, and Reisner 2015). Again, as there is uncertainty concerning which gauge was used before the game, we explore all four possible permutations.
The Wells report also documents that the temperature of the surrounding environment influences the internal pressure of a football even over very short time intervals. The report notes, for instance, that the 0.7 PSI impact on a football of "vigorous rubbing" dissipates after a window of roughly 15–30 minutes. And a chart on page 31 of the Exponent section of the Wells report shows pronounced effects of air temperature on ball pressure in a span of what appears to be roughly 15 minutes (Wells Jr., Karp, and Reisner 2015, 31).
The report also notes that halftime was scheduled to last 13 minutes and that the Colts balls were measured toward the very end of that window, when they ran out of time. We can therefore infer that the Colts balls were tested after being indoors for a period of a bit less than 15 minutes. The first of the Patriots balls was measured right at the beginning of halftime, followed by the others.
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So we have all this reporting from refs that paints a picture of refs being more likely to over-inflate footballs at pre-game inspection than to let balls through below specs, yet you're hanging your argument on the idea that the Patriots footballs were actually under-inflated prior to the game...
I'm not sure you know what Occam's razor is.
whoa whoa back up there..."all these reports of the refs being more likely to over inflate balls"? Where are "all these" reports? I'm aware of 1 report, and the important piece of information to be gleaned from that report is that refs weren't donning lab coats when they checked the balls in. In other words, this process wasn't all that precise. In the one reported case we are aware of, the Pats balls were apparently inflated higher than they requested them to be. That is no way suggests that it is "more likely" that the balls will always be inflated higher. Just the fact that Anderson had 2 gauges that had a 0.4 psi spread is proof that the balls may be inflated more or less than spec.
Again - you all want to hang your hat on a report that claims the pats balls deflated by a fractional amount more than the ideal gas law would suggest when they can't tell you with any precision what the starting measurements were, other than to say the ref recalls them being around 12.5. To an un-biased observer that's a pretty low threshold to be accusing a guy like Tom Brady of cheating.
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That doesn't mean you are entitled to share any and every opinion you have whenever you please.
Actually, it does. There are no site rules that say anything close to what you are claiming. Conversely, YOU are 100% entitled to ignore her posts and move on.
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Wait a second wait a second...please tell me you are joking with this.
All you guys have done since day one is ignore others claims or opinions just because you have a different one. You must not have read any of the 'What's in the water up there' comments or the 'You all must have a low i.q.' comments thrown in our direction of you honestly could post that with a straight face.
The fact is, none of us know the truth about what happened. Not you, not me, none of us. But some of you guys have been just as forceful in claiming your opinion as fact as those you are condemning. All Patriots fans have done is try and present other possibilities to explain what the Wells Report failed to conclude. You are the ones refusing to acknowledge other opinions if they don't align with yours.
I honestly can't tell if you are just screwing with us now...because if you don't think the exact same thing that you've been hating about us is going on on your side as much if not more, well then there's nothing else to be said.
then why were those 2 guys suspended, huh???
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No matter what report you chose to believe it still don't explain the differences between the Colts and the Patriots footballs. Both sets were outside in the elements. But common sense questions like this one are refused to be acknowledged.
we already know what happened there...the Colts balls re-pressurized at halftime in the warm room before they were measured. As for Superman's claim that Occam's Razor is an excuse to take the refs recollection of the beginning measurements as legit, that is ridiculous. If we're taking the ref's recollection on the pressure readings, then don't we also have to take their recollection that they used the logo gauge, in which case the evidence of deflation falls apart.
All it would have taken would have been for several of the pats balls to have been 12.3 instead of 12.5 at the beginning and even the non-logo gauge evidence falls apart. Remember - using the non-logo gauge, 3 balls were still over the 11.3 threshold and another half dozen were in the 11.1 range. That's pretty damn close to just "accept" the unofficial claim that the balls were all "around 12.5" at the outset.
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How does the possibility that the footballs deflated even more than originally thought help the Patriots cause?
you may want to read DeSarno's entire analysis before you start touting it as evidence against the Pats. He's picking at one specific claim of the AEI report. But he also agrees that it's impossible to make conclusive claims on the deflation level of the footballs. We don't need a college degree to understand this.
1) No recorded beginning point
2) No recording of which gauge was used
3) Yet somehow we're being sold "conclusive" evidence on how much the balls deflated at halftime. That makes zero sense.
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Another article written by the Lance Armstrong Sympathizer, yay.
lol..yeah it's preposterous to think that it's not rock solid science to say how much the balls deflated when you have no record of where they started or what gauge they were measured on.
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Anyway, back to the main topic, that being what an utter joke the Wells report is...
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Maybe.
There are a lot of really good posters here, who do a good job of contributing intetesting topics of discussion.
I agree with some that Brady has been discussed ad nauseum.
It's a little hard for me to understand why so many threads are started to discuss him, especially when they all lead down the same path.
We get it. Pats fans think he walks on water, he can do no wrong, he's the greatest ever, and they feel the need to start thread after thread about it, and seem offended that we don't want to bow down, or jump for joy or whatever it is they're wanting us to do to join in their celebrations.
Sorry, I'm just not feeling it, and I never will.
There's a reason those threads go so many pages though...no thread here could last more than 1 page if only Pats fans replied to them.
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Pretty much, people on both sides haven't covered themselves in glory on this one.
Put it this way, if this case stands up against Brady I'm launching a civil case for physiological trauma of moderating deflategate topics. Heck if we band the whole team together we could make it a class action
we're arguing sports, not cancer research...I've been on forums where trolling is out of control. This forum is pretty civil all things considered. A barb here and there never hurt anyone.
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So show your link or copies of the correspondence you had with these 8 HOF voters. I would be very interested in reading those.
the link I posted brings you to page 2 of the article. Up top, you can click on Page 1 and see what each of the voters contacted had to say.
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Lol...Exponent slapped with a court order regarding bogus research they provided to 3M Corporation.
The following are direct quotes from his court order, dated June 2, 2015:
- “On May 11, this Court granted Plaintiffs’ Motion to Compel Production of Documents contained on Exponent, Inc.’s Privilege Log … within seven (7) days of the Court’s Order. Exponent has failed to comply with this Order and had indicated that it will continue to disregard this Court’s May 11 order.”
- “[T]he Court cannot allow Exponent to stand in violation of a valid Court Order compelling the production of documents.”
- “Methodologically sound science has nothing to fear from full and open disclosure.”
- “[T]he Court finds that Exponent’s refusal to comply with its May 11, 2015 Order is unreasonable and evidence of deliberate disregard for the court’s authority.”
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first 3 superbowls=*spygate
I'm sorry...you sound so heartbroken.
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His legacy should have been that he was suspended for the superbowl for cheating in the AFC championship game because he wanted to do anything he could to try to end the conversation that he can't win without cheating.
I'm sorry for your heartbreak
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So you completely just made that up without any idea of what you were talking about? That is how you debate a subject? It becomes increasingly difficult to take you seriously when you try to make wild speculation part of your argument.
this is an opinion forum. Do I need to remind you what opinions are like and how everyone has one?
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Of course it won't. Brady being 'generally aware' that his footballs were being manipulated to get them the way Tom says he likes them is about the same in my mind that a MLB player is generally aware he has a corked bat within the arsenal of bats he brings to the ball park. He pulls out the wrong (corked) bat and gets sawed off and it explodes wood chips and cork onto the field. 8-10 game suspension. But that won't give the guy an asterisk, nor keep him out of the HOF if otherwise he deserved it. And Brady should get 1 game for the incident, and 1 more for obstruction the investigation. The one game is similar to the 8-10 a baseball player gets for a corked bat.
If Brady's suspension is reduced to two games, then I feel it is reasonable and justice served. Then move on. If Tom continues to fight tooth and nail, then I hope the whole 4 game penalty is upheld when it is said and done. Then, again, just move on.
yep...that's reasonable. As one of the HOF voters in the SI article I linked said, his first 3 superbowls were won prior to the league giving control of the game balls to the QB anyway.
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Posting links can be tricky too apparently, because ehat you posted there is not anywhere to be found on the article you linked, unless I'm missing something?
So 8 of 56 that were "contacted?" Hmm that's not a very convincing number.
The link takes you to "page 2" of the article. Up top...click on Page 1.
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True you're only the 2nd most hated franchise according to recent polls
ha! That's actually surprising. If we can't top the Cowboys NOW, we never will!
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SpyGate, DeFlateGate, and any other "Gate" surrounding the Patriots are already set in stone. It'll take decades for the cement to dry.
Among Colts fans, yes...I agree. The Patriots have caused you all a great deal of grief. I still can't believe you only got 1 superbowl with Manning. So I expect that from your perspective, the Patriots will always be illegitimate. That's the natural response. Same with Jets fans, who have to die inside every time they see Belichick hoisting the trophy, knowing that he was their coach ever so briefly until he rejected them for New England. But there are 32 teams in the league, and most of their fan bases have no real history with the Patriots. Among that wider group, nobody is going to be too worked up about this probably by week 2 of this year, let alone 7 plus years down the road when it comes time to recognize the greatest QB in the history of the game.
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Yet you're still here trying to convince me...
and vice versa
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Oy vey.....Do you even read the links that you post in here? That was 3 guys opinions, (one of them being that Cole guy that you claim to be the almighty NFL representative that conceded for the league)and 2 of them even seem convinced that brady is guilty and said this will follow him all the way to Canton "IF"" he gets in. You're spinning the wrong direction bud.
Math - it can be tricky...
But extending that thought further and given the fervor that exists for Hall of Fame voting, I wondered if Brady (a first-ballot lock for Canton based on his play) would suffer at all in the minds of Pro Football Hall of Fame voters. So last week I contacted eight of the 46 Pro Football Hall of Fame voters (SI voters can speak for themselves in their own columns) to ask the group if their evaluation of Brady for the Hall had changed at all with the Wells Report. As you might have predicted, based on this sample, Brady appears to be in little trouble as a first ballot Hall of Famer if nothing new comes to light.
One guy out of eight said "maybe possibly might affect his 'first ballot' status. Everyone else already thinks "deflategate" is a non issue and a joke. 5 years from now people with laugh at the hysteria and garbage that was spewed by haters who thought (hoped and prayed, actually) that this would somehow leave a mark. As one HOF voter said, this doesn't even rank anywhere close to the level of offense that a PED suspension carries, and nobody ever gives a 2nd thought about the legitimacy of guys who get busted for that.
Deflategate merge -- pending appeal results
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This only makes sense if you allow for the possibility that the balls weren't tampered with and that the halftime process was a cluster-%^&*.