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Okay, that's fair to hold off your judgement until he plays in the NFL. Your question about his ball floating and not having drive behind them should be answered by his pro day. He had plenty of different types of throws to demonstrate that he can make all of the throws, including a deep bomb to answer questions of arm strength, deep out routes which he threw with a lot of velocity, and "floaters" as you like to call them, to demonstrate touch passes. That's why I had refered to his pro day. If you can't agree with this, then you may be choosing to be a contrarian, and not evaluating him objectively.What did his Pro Day do? Wow, he completed some passes, basically a backyard pitch and catch, from a script he knew. He knew which side the "blitz" was coming from. He didn't hit many fade passes in the redzone. Fleener had to turn and jump for a "fade." I'm pretty sure that isn't what the receiver does. If you watch closely the simulated pressure of the bean bag gets there a couple times before he throws.
Like I said before I'll hold off until he plays an NFL game.
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Luck throws the ball with different trajectory. On TV it will appear that the ball is floating because his passes tend to have a little more arch. You would also consider this to be a touch pass, and that's part of what Make's Luck special. He knows when to drill a pass into tight coverage and when to take the heat off.I'm talking about his arm movement. I'm talking about how the ball floats through the air without drive.
If you watch game film on Luck, he'll usually put touch on hiss passes if the receiver is open. If it's tight coverage, then he'll drill it. I'm not worried about his arm strength, the drive behind the ball, etc... his pro day erased any doubt anyone may have had about these issues.
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I know that this thread is a joke, and is about Lacey, but the Lions actually are my second favorite team. I've liked watching them, especially since Barry Sanders joined their team. It was tough to watch them after he left the team, but they're fun again. I like Jahvid Best and hope he can stay healthy.
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Barry Sanders...The Lion King.
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I think that we will be ready only if we see some progress. Ideally, last year should be the worst record we will have for many years to come. If we continue to struggle like we did last year, then people will question why we decided to rebuild if it doesn't look like we're "building."
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In fairness to Sanchez, if they want him to do better, rather than aquiring Tebow, they should get him some receivers.I think the Jets are going to use Tebow to try and see what they really have with Sanchez ... The presence of Tebow at his heels should motivate Sanchez to be all he can be if you will ... if it doesn't and he continues to perform poorly or inconsistently, then the Jets will know what they have and will know they need to stop wasting time on him.
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I think that we're missing the point here, with the "Pro Day" workouts. Let me ask you this question...How many high school QB's can have a scripted workout and complete a very high percentage of throws, while demonstrating good footwork? I would say that many can. I would also say that many other college QBs have probably had great pro day work outs, but no one knows because they aren't named Luck or Griffen.
It's really not smart to change your opinion on a player based on a pro day work out.
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This is a very well thought out arguement, and you are correct that Luck will always be compared to Manning. Especially since the Colts were okay with departing with Manning, knowing that they may have a possible replacement with Luck.Hodge aside, I would LOVE to see RGIII in a Colt's uniform. He is exciting to watch, he looks like he has fun playing the game. Couple that with his skillset, and I think the Colts really should take him.
I understand Luck had a very impressive college career and is more NFL THIS season, but the one thing that many say to support the Colts taking him, is the very thing I think they SHOULDN'T take him for.
He will remind you of Peyton Manning. Manning is Manning, Luck nor RGIII will be Manning, but with Luck, since he will make you think of Peyton, he will constantly be judged by "Manning standards", he mirrors Manning physically so much that he will not be able to blaze his own trail. RGIII would be more likely to be able to blaze his own trail because he brings a weapon that neither Manning NOR Luck has, to buy time/make plays with his legs. He's not a Vick-one-read-and-run kind of guy. He prefers to stay in the pocket, BUT isn't it nice to know that if there's nothing downfield, RGIII has the option to tuck it and burn the defense? Don't talk about scramblers getting injured cause pocket QB's get hurt just as much.
To me, RGIII is going to generate more excitement for a Colts franchise that will need something exciting to get through these rebuilding years.
As far as your arguement that RGIII is more than a 1 read and run QB, I would completely disagree. I have seen enough of RGIII's games to form an opinion that he will stuggle with reads at the NFL level. He plays in a spread option system, which works well in college. (I've made this argument before, so I will not go into detail about why it doesn't translate well in the NFL.) If you watch film on him, he does not fully scan the field, and often if his first read is not open, he leaves the pocket and runs. I would ask you to review his game film/highlights and with every pass attempt, ask yourself if he throws to his first read or if he goes through his progression. You will be surprised that a majority of the time he either throws to his first read or runs. This would also explain his 170+ rushing attempts this past year.
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Robert Turbin played football at my high school and played both offense and defense. He was a very solid player. I think he had a knee injury in college, which might explain some of his hesitation. But he definitely has burst, and is really fast. I think he ran the 40 during the combine and had impressive numbers for his size.
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With the GM and coaches all being new, there is pressure on them to win now. I don't think that they can wait another year before making much improvement through the draft. Let's also keep in mind that this year's crop of rookies will need time to develope. It's an interesting concept, however, given the circumstances with the teams FO and coaching staff, I don't think it would happen.
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I wouldn't be worried about the seperation of Luck and Fleener, but it would be nice to have both of them here. Just as Manning had Dallas Clark as a reliable pass catching tight end, Fleener could be that guy for Luck. It would help him to have a receiving threat that he's used to. Although we may have other needs in the second round, it may be worth it to draft Fleener because of the chemistry they already have. TE is still a need for the Colts.I'm a little worried about the separation of Luck and Fleener.
Fleener had a huge game in almost all the wins standford had last year.
In the fiesta bowl, Oklahoma shut fleener down and they lost (although luck still had a good game).
Anyone else think drafting this guy is important?
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I'm glad he's not with the Colts FO.
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Colt Brennan -70.4% completion percentage, Graham Harrell- 71% completion percentage, Case Keenum- 72% completion percentage, RGIII 72% completion percentage.If RG3 can complete 72% of his passes without going through his progressions and locking on to one reciever, then sign me up for him!! Imagine what his completion percentage would be if he actually learned how to do that!! lol
What do they all have in common? They all played in the spread system. This system is designed to spread out the defense so that speedy receivers have 1-on-1 coverage. A good receiver will always have an advantage over a defender in 1on-1 coverage. That's why RGIII does not have to go through his progressions that often. He kows who the go-to receiver is on every play, and with the spread system, that receiver is usually open. Therefor, he hasn't had to rely on reading a coverage. You would have to ask yourself logically, why are spread college QB's devalued in the NFL? It's because the system works well in college and creates a mirage that a QB is better than they actually are.
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Don't waste your time. People are only going to see what they want to see. It doesn't matter that every scout and GM thinks that Luck is the most pro ready quarterback, meaning that he does all of the little things that pros do already in the NFL, including using his eyes to move the defense. All that matters to them is tha A) It's Lucks fault that Manning is gone B) Because Luck is so good, we should leverage his talents for more picks by trading him away. -
I liked Owusu as a receiver and also as a kick returner. Dealing with concussions, it would limit his ability to be a returner because of the violent collissions involved. I think that he would be a good deep threat receiver, and could possibly go in the later rounds.
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I'm sorry, but I gotta call you out on this one. Look at the post right above yours.Peyton Manning's outdoor playing criticisms are entirely without merit. The implication is Peyton is soft & weak like a delicate tropical flower that will wilt in the frigid blizzard conditions of Denver, Colorado.
Funny how nobody ever mentions the advantage of higher elevation & thinner air there either.
Safety Ryan Clark from the Steelers can't play there due to a life threatning medical condition even. Not having your best safety on the field on game day really does matter, especially in the 4th quarter when top notch defenses get tired, exhausted & worn down.
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I was responding to a post made earlier by OldUncleMark on another thread I apologize. I did edit it out though. The weather in Denver isn't really that bad. I heard that the averge playing weather is 50 degrees, perfect for football. I also stated earlier that his style of play, with a no huddle offense will be to the Broncos benefit, as other teams will not be used to the altitude and thin air. The opposing defenses will be gassed by the fourth quarter. This should lead to many exciting fourth quarters for the Broncos.Whose Mark?
The frustration that comes here is that people seem to be saying he "can't" win b/c of the weather. So, it raises hackles a bit. He is going to have to work harder to perfect playing w/ the elements, but as you have stated above and as I have stated, this is a problem that he will tackle. He is too much of a perfectionist not to. If you actually ask me, I believe that is part of the reason he chose an outdoor stadium=new challenge; something to improve upon, get better at. Peyton likes challenges.
One other thought, when did Denver start having weather like they have in New England or Pittsburgh...did I miss the weather shift or something?
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I agree with all that you've said. I understand that Peyton will do whatever is necessary to win, regardless of weather. My earlier point was that until now, he hasn't shown that he can win in any weather, based on his previous poor performances in bad weather. Until he proves that he can, that stigma will remain. Of course I want him to prove that he can play well in bad weather. He will now have a chance to prove that he can. I just wouldn't make a bold statement that regardless of weather conditions, he will win, as that hasn't necessarily been the case with Manning thus far.I know southwest, and I can tell you he does not think Peyton is incapable of having a bad day, what he is trying to get across is the fact that Peyton will work hard to make sure that weather is not an issue. Again, I elude to what he did prior to our SB win--soaked footballs in ice cold water to prepare himself and Jeff in case it did rain. (and a side note, no QB is going to have a perfect game while it's down pouring. Likewise, no QB will have a perfect game when it is zero degrees outside. No one's body would let them...sorry, I'm using logic and common sense here.)
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Is it impossible for a QB to not have a great game yet win? If so, then I propose that's what Manning did in the SuperBowl. I will not take away the win, but to think that everything Peyton does is God-like is ridiculous.Amazing...Peyton Manning wins a Superbowl in the rain & it's simply inferior QB competition in Rex Grossman...Both field generals that evening dealt with the exact same conditions & yet Peyton Manning's MVP & Superbowl victory don't really count or matter. Are you people delusional?!! Okay fine. Bring on the soft & finese accusations too. Peyton will simply use them as fuel to survive, thrive, & flourish. This dome line of reasoning is ridiculous. See you on field next year. I hope poor Peyton doesn't get a chill or suffer from frostbite being so weak & timid at all according to you. Embrace the doubt & hate. It works perfectly fine for me.
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The weather effects all QB's and given a choice, most if not all QB's, would rather play in good weather. If you're stating that the weather will not specifically effect Manning, then he has yet to prove that. His earlier performances in bad weather games would indicate that he has struggled. If you use the Super Bowl in '06 as proof that he played well, I would argue that he actually didn't play well in that game. He just needed to outplay Rex Grossman, which wasn't hard to do.That's okay bring on all the doubters & naysayers...I welcome all your mass skepticism with open arms. When #18, or #16 wins another ring, these are all the same "fair weather" [No pun intended] fans who will say that they knew Peyton Manning would succeed in Denver too. Let's not forget, Peyton will finally have a stout defense & a reliable running as well. 2 components that always travel well in any kind of weather as well.
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I think you're missing the point. He UF is saying that Luck was not afraid to step into a situation where a team was rebuilding, as mentioned earlier in this thread.NFL and College Football are very identical. Thats right.
There is a guy called Tim Tebow. Won Hiesman and 2 National Championships. Must be winning 8 SBs in 16 years NFL then.
You are comparing how he played in college. It's not a similar comparison. The comparison that was being made is that he had made a similar decision in the past, and may not be afraid to do the same now by choosing to play with the Colts.
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It's interesting the RGIII's rushing stats went up from 149 in 2010 to 179 in 2011. It shows that he relied more on his running ability, or at least the team thought that having him run more would be a benefit. I would have liked to see his rushing attempts decrease as a sign that he was becoming more of a pocket passer.2011 rushing attempts:
Luck at Stanford: 47
RG3 at Baylor 179
2010 rushing attempts:
Luck at Stanford: 55
RG3 at Baylor: 149
1997 rushing attempts:
Peyton Manning at Tennessee: 49
1982 rushing attempts:
John Elway at Stanford: 59
I cannot see how a college QB that attempts more than 100 rushes a season can be called a pocket passer, or even a pass first QB.
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We're in luck that this year's draft is deep with receivers. We should be able to address this need in the second or third round. I also like Coby Fleener, as the TE. It would help Luck to have his previous go-to guy.
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We look at Peyton with a different perspective. We have such an emotional attachment to him, that it's very difficult to judge him objectively. If you look at other fans throughout the league who are football savvy, they would tell you that Peyton is great but not the greatest. Perhaps that's the consensus. No one doubts his greatness on the football field, and everyone would say he's among the greates to ever play. Beyond that, it's just personal opinion.
Andrew Luck On The Dan Patrick Show...
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I see a lot of stats that compare Luck and RGIII to one another. This is a bit misleading. They play in completely different styles of offenses. If you compare RGIII to another QB that played in a similar spread offense, Case Keenum, here's what you will get:
comp att yds. Pct. TD INT. Rting
267 369 3,998 72.4% 36 6 192.3 =RG3
comp att yds Pct. TD INT. Rting
428 603 5,631 71% 48 5 174.0 =Keenum
If you compare RGIII's numbers to another spread QB, you'll see that his numbers are inferior. The only thing that makes him special than other QB's in this system is his ability to run, which he did 179 times this past season. This is great in college, but we all agree that running QB's do not fare well in the NFL.