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If he truly had the numbers that you had mentioned, similar to Elway's rookie year, Luck would be in the Jamarcus Russell category. He would instantly be labeled a bust, not just by some of us Colts fans, but the media in general. He would spend years trying to fight his way out of that perception.
There have been many talented QB's who have started off on the wrong foot and lost their confidence, never to regain it. I strongly doubt that this happens with Luck. He is so fundamentaly sound and mentally strong that he would work his tail off until he and the Colts get things right. I expect a good season from him.
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I cracked up too...good find.
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Preparation is key for a quarterback. At the very least, if Luck were to sit for a year and learn behind Manning, he would have learned how to properly pepare for a game, get the most out of practice, and see how Manning prepares differently for each apponent that he faces. This could translate well for a person of Luck's abilities. Painter on the other hand, may have learned some of these things but didn't have the talent to display what he learned.
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There are pros and cons to this scheme when it pertains to Freeney and Mathis. A lot of the positives have already been discussed in this thread. The only negatives that I can think of is that both of our best pass rushers will essentially be playiing a somewhat new position in a new scheme, and that at times they will be asked to drop into coverage.
I think that the positives far outweigh the negatives. I expect the Colts to have a good pass rush this year. Asking Freeney or Mathis, who are both very atheletic to drop into the flat for coverage at times isn't as bad as we make it out to be. They may even surprise us. We're not asking them to be shut down corners, or cover the opposing teams players one-on-one. We're simply asking them to drop into zone coverage.
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Arizona Cardinals - Larry Fitzgerald
Atlanta Falcons - Jacquiz Rogers
Baltimore Ravens - Ray Lewis
Buffalo Bills - Fred Jackson
Carolina Panthers - Steve Smith
Chicago Bears -Brian Urlacher
Cincinnati Bengals - A.J. Green
Cleveland Browns - Colt McCoy
Dallas Cowboys - Tony Romo
Denver Broncos - Peyton Manning
Detroit Lions - Jahvid Best
Green Bay Packers -Aaron Rodgers
Houston Texans - Arian Foster
Indianapolis Colts -Andrew Luck
Jacksonville Jaguars - MoJo Drew
Kansas City Chiefs - Eric Berry
Miami Dolphins -Devon Bess
Minnesota Vikings - Adrienne Peterson
New England Patriots -Welker
New Orleans Saints -Brees
New York Giants - Eli Manning
New York Jets - Darell Revis
Oakland Raiders - Carson Palmer
Philadelphia Eagles -Shady McCoy
Pittsburgh Steelers - Troy Polamolu
San Diego Chargers - Eric Weddle
San Francisco 49ers - Patrick Willis
Seattle Seahawks - Earl Thomas
St. Louis Rams - Steven Jackson
Tampa Bay Buccaneers -Mike Williams
Tennessee Titans - Chris Johnson
Washington Redskins - Pierre Garcon
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That is one interpretation.
It could be he was banned from throwing it because they didn't have much success at converting them.
I agree that I could have misinterpreted what was said. It was a very brief conversation, just as I had written and can be taken many ways. The logic that he was banned from throwing fade routes because he was bad at them is a little backwards to me. If he was bad at throwing fade routes, he would be encouraged to throw them more often at practice to better his accuracy. His response then may have been:He said it in a positive, confident manner? You very well could be correct in that was what was indicated but from what you quoted your interpretation seems to be as much a stretch and those claiming he was banned from throwing them because he was bad at it.
Gruden: Let's throw the back shoulder fade route. Have you thrown the fade route before?
Luck: Yes, a million times at practice.
Instead his response was that he was banned from throwing the fade, which would indicate that the coaches did not see a need for further refinement. The video that we have seen on this thread shows that he has thrown the fade numerous times in different games, so he was not banned from throwing them in games. It doesn't show the fades that were completed successfully. There is additional footage available on youtube of successful fade throws, all throughout the season. So he wasn't so awful that the coaches asked him to stop throwing that pass, especially in games, it was the opposite. Luck's reaction to Gruden was a confident reaction.
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Luck did say that, but it was taken out of context. He wasn't banned from throwing them because he was so bad at it. He was banned from throwing fade routes at practice because he would throw them so often.I think part of them stems from Luck saying he was banned from throwing fade routes in the redzone.
Gruden: Let's throw the back shoulder fade route. Have you thrown the fade route before?
Luck: I was banned from throwing the fade route.
That's all that was said about it. Luck said this in a positive and confident manner, indicating that he has done it numerous times- so many times that he was banned from it.
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We're focusing on the wrong thing here. We are given a video of Andrew Luck's missed fade opportunities and by that we've concluded that he cannot throw the fade. We can easily create a video of Luck's successful fade throws in the end zone. He can throw the fade, watch the game film. Luck has had great success in the red zone.
For those stating that we cannot run it in. How do you know this? We have a new O-line, a new runningback in Ballard and we can somehow conclude that we will not be any good? Let's give them a chance before we write them off. I am hopeful that we can pound it in there for those tough yeards.
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I think that you are right. According to Grigson, they had targeted a corner in the third round but he was drafted before they could get him. They did not think that any of the remaining corners were better than what we already had on our rosted and that's one of the main reasons we had such an offense-heavy draft. That coupled with the fact that the remaining best available players on their board were mainly offensive players. The draft had a lot of offensive talent this year.Ya exactly.
For all we know they are studs. Maybe we didn't draft any CB's because the staff thought ours were just fine.....??
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A couple of things to mention:
1. The Broncos made it to the play-offs with Tebow.
2. They have now added arguably the best QB to ever play, definitely top 5 QB to ever play.
3. The colts were consistently a 10+ win team with Manning.
4. We were 2-14 last year without Manning.
If a team was good enough to make it to the playoffs without Manning, they will be much better with Manning. We should now this by now, we are a 2 win team without him. Luck and the added pieces will make us a much improved team from last year, but I expect the Broncos with Manning to be like the Colts used to be, but with better defense.
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The wildcat is no longer effective. It was effective when it took teams by surprise. Now defenses know how to defend the wildcat. It should not be in our playbook. Also, I would not want to take the ball out of Luck's hands to runs some gimmicky wildcat play, just like I wouldn't have wanted to take the ball out of Manning's hands.I think we keep Lefeged. I see Whalen making our team. Chandler Harnish is a sleeper I think he could be used in the Wildcat. I think Vick Ballard starts over Carter. I like Buddy Jackson I think he beats out Kevin Thomas and Rucker.
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If we were just looking at their supporting casts as a measure to predict either Luck or RGIII's first year, I would agree with what's written. However, I think that there's a lot more to it. I would start with their respective devisions. RGIII is in a division that is considered year in and year out to be one of the tougher divisions in the league, with the Cowboys, Eagles, and the super bowl champion Giants. He will face tougher defensive fronts from the Cowboys and Giants.
In addition, you have to consider that the Redskins have given up quite a bit to obtain RGIII, which will translate to less talent in other areas due to lack of draft picks. On the other hand, the Colts have done very well with this year's draft, and will have much cap space next year to improve the team. I see Luck having a better rookie year going against the Jaguars and Gabbert, the Titans and Locker/Hassleback and the Texans who unless they prove otherwise, have not been able to win in Indy.
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I'm sure that it's a bit of both. People aren't like a light switch, just on or off. They have a full range of emotions and I'm sure that when Manning began his career, he made others feel more welcome and over time, as he progressed in his game and routine, he expected more of others placing additional pressure on them to match his intensity.This is just simply not true. Over the years we have read many comments from rookies talking about how Manning made them feel comfortable, made them feel part of the organization from day one and helped alleviate their nerves. Yes he was intense but he calmed them down.
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The one argument that I don't get is that people always say "Peyton only won three games his rookie year, so we cannot expect Luck to win as many or more." That may be true if we can go back in time and plug Luck into that same exact situation that Manning faced.
Luck is joining a whole other team, in a conference that isn't as strong as it once was, and in a league where the rules greatly favor quarterback success. I think Luck can win more than just 3 games this season, and if he does, it would not be a knock on Manning. It would be a testament to the team and the direction that we are heading in.
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If speed was all that mattered, then every team would just sign trck stars. Playing the receiver position is so much more than speed. Speed is important, however there are other things that make a receiver great. Austin Collie is a great route runner and more importantly--he is great at reading a defense and finding the open zones within the defense. Garcon had tons of speed, but questionable hands. Collie has reliable hands.Because he (Austin Collie) is not faster than Donnie Avery and has no identifiable advantage over Avery. Both are starting from scratch healthy and in a new offense with a new QB, I give the advantage to the guy who can best stretch the field.
Seems pretty clear.
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Just like other teams, the FO created their draft board with grades given to perspective players. As mentioned by Grigson, the impact defensive players that were ranked high on their draft board were taken early. Of course with our early picks, we focused on offense, drafting Luck, Fleener, and Allen. After the third round, the offensive players that we drafted were ranked higer than the available defensive talent, with the exception of Chapman. We didn't reach to fill a need and went BPA.
Next year, we should be able to find defensive talent in the early rounds as there should be highly ranked defensive talent within the first few rounds. After, if we go BPA, we may see more offensive picks, similar to this year. We can't expect an all defensive draft next year if we use the BPA formula. It all depends on the available talent. This particular year, the draft was filled with receiver talent, and it showed in our draft picks.
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Let's say hypothetically that Hilton does become the starter, beating out our much beloved Austin Collie. Wouldn't that suggest that for our new system, Hilton was the better option? And if so, would you have a problem with it?
I wouldn't as long as it was fair competition in the offseason. I want to field the best team. With that said, I still believe that it's not Collie-vs- any other Colts receiver. It's Collie & other Colts receivers as a unit, based on formation and game plan.
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Collie is very reliable. He was Manning's go to target on third downs because of his precise route running ability. Manning new exactly where Collie was going to be. I don't see that changing. So, as stated earlier in previous posts, it may depend on down and distance as both may be used in the slot position. But in clutch situations, I would bet that Collie would be in the line-up.
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If Peyton Manning was in college and he declared for the draft this year alongside RGIII, the analysts would be saying the same thing. Peyton has great fundamentals, a great understanding of the game, however, RGIII has a higher ceiling.
Now ask yourself honestly, who would you draft?
RGIII has a supossed higher ceiling only because he is atheletic. We all agree that we do not necessarily want our QB running more than he has to. So the overall atheleticism shouldn't create a higher ceiling, it should be the ability to read a defense, lead a team, and generate wins. That sounds a lot more like Luck to me.
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Before the draft, many analysts were projecting RGIII to have the better season because he had more to work with. After our draft, I think that we have done a great job of surronding Luck with talent. We obviously thought he was the better QB, warranting the number 1 pick. I think that he will have the better season, but RGIII will have better highlights. I'll take a more productive season over highlights.
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Good blocking wide receivers can really extend the run game. If a runningback can break through to the second level, the receivers make all the difference in a pick up of 7 yards-vs-going the distance. If Hilton and Brazil have the desire, they can develope their blocking skills.
I see more 2 TE formations for us this year. I think this will create better match ups and will allow us to both run and pass out of the formation. The defense will have to respect both.
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One of the best highlight videos I've seen in a while. You can't teach speed and vision, and he's got both.This video is full of big plays from him. I didn't know a ton about him when we drafted, but I'm very happy we did.
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We didn't draft Whalen, he was picked up as an Undrafted Free Agent. It didn't cost us a pick. We added to the O-line for depth. I think it came down to a decision by the FO and their draft board when deciding on drafting receiver over DB's. The receivers graded higher than the remaining DB's.thanks for stating the obviuos about luck. as for fleener and whalen, why not go udfa or fa to surround luck with instead of wasting a pick on whalen. could have gone for an o lineman, cb, ect. and fleener was not the top rated te of the draft comintators had other te listed above fleener and this te group was rated one of the weakest ever. there were fa te that could have complemented luck more than fleener. just an observation.
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Luck was the top rated QB in the draft. Fleener was the top rated TE in the draft. It made sense to draft them, and as a bonus, they already have chemistry from playing together in college. As for Wahlen, it's highly unlikely that he will make the team.coach, my thought exactly. people complain about peyton and offensive takes in the draft.. colts did it again. why on earth are the colts grabbing only stanford offensive players for luck. bad move imo.
The value that I see here is that Luck, Fleener, and Whalen can get their play books, study, train, and work out together at Stanford, running through the routes etc..
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