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40 minutes ago, DougDew said:
I comprehended what you said. You fail to comprehend that backup T is synonymous with inferior talent.
So we played with inferior talent at T, but superior talent at G. And that led to what kind of oline performance?
Sorry, I thought the post game analysis suggested we threw the ball 53 times because the running game wasn't working. So we should have ran it more because it was? Weren't we ahead 23-10 at one point?
And what does drafting a tackle versus Nelson this year have to do with inferior talent at a backup position due to injuries? I don't think we necessarily have inferior talent either. Our o-line performance was pretty solid considering who they were up against. Only giving up 2 sacks is a pretty good day offensively. Nick siriani said he was most impressed with the o-line, specifically in pass protection.
Throwing 53 passes was exteme. A great chunk of those were screen passes or within 5 yards of the LOS. I recall the NE patriots throwing 100% in the 2nd half of a playoff game against the Ravens. Is that because their offensive line struggled or because it was what worked? What killed this team wasn't the run game, or the short passing game. It was when they deviated, and the skilled positions made mistakes. Andrew throwing a red zone INT. Ty dropping a deep ball down the sideline. Jack Doyle fumbling the football inside the 10.
Did you watch the game or did you just read about it?
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54 minutes ago, Ratking said:
Thanks for the post. I enjoyed a little more unbiased assessment. Atkins is really good, so I don't hold it against Nelson, but it looks like more often than not Nelson was holding on for dear life while Atkins attacked him.
It really wasn't that way at all. This guy showed what, 7 clips? Out of 53 pass plays and 77 total? I think the original video shows every bit of 7 plays that shows Nelson handling Atkins.
Pretty underwhelming day for an all-pro elite defensive player going up against a rookie lineman, in my opinion.
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1 hour ago, Imrryr said:
Not as in depth as I may like but thought I'd share the video with you peeps.
The play at about 7:40 is another one I almost posted in my "Quenton owns Atkins" thread from last night. He takes on Atkins, funnels him inside to Kelly, and quickly picks up a stunting passrusher. With ease.
Be careful sharing anything on this. @ClaytonColt will come telling you Nelson didn't do squat, because we lost the game...
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32 minutes ago, ClaytonColt said:
That's fine. I like to win games, I like to see us be successful, it's kind of the point of being in a competition to me.
If your things is to get giddy about 12 yard runs during losses than that's fine as well. I guess we're just supporting the team for different reasons.
No one here wants to lose football games Clayton. No one. But some of us are reasonable enough to know this season is as much about development and growth as a team as it is about winning.
You won't find a more competive individual on this site than me. You won't find anyone on this site that was as upset about losing Sunday on the several hour drive home as me. But I know it isn't solely about winning and losing... and those that make it that, are generally fairweather fans, bandwagon hoppers, and negative people in all aspects of life in general. Find a reason to smile. I dare you.
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6 minutes ago, Four2itus said:
I have come to learn that there is a difference in being a fan of a team...and a fan of winning. They are different concepts. NO, they are not exclusive of each other, but it is the main reason, focus of the fan if you will that makes a difference.
I love the Horseshoe. I believe, back them, and support them. Because of that, I rarely have a bad time as a fan. Winning is just icing on the cake. But if I was a fan of winning first, and then chose my team, I would be miserable most all the time, and would exist in that misery, thinking this is the way it is for a fan...blaming the team/coach/player/GM/referee for my state of mind.
Very true. I believe in supporting these Colts through bad and good, and there have been plenty of both. I believe in focusing on positives in all games, even losses, but especially losses that should have been won, as they are often the most criticized. I saw positives on Sunday. I saw young talent that will get better over the course of this season, and most definitely through the next few seasons. I saw mistakes that are correctable. I saw a head coach who gameplanned wonderfully, and a team that didn't quite execute well enough to win.
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59 minutes ago, ClaytonColt said:
If he did help us pick up a result then that result was a loss. That's a negative in my book.
What is significant to me is our players performing well enough to get a win. That's all. Other than that I'm not that fussed.
If you want to put all the offensive production purely on Nelson then that's fine. I suppose we do also have to remember that we gave up less sacks/QB hits against Dunlop and Atkins the last time we played the Bengals so I don't think it's quite so clear cut.
You are miserable if you only look at a loss...
We performed well enough to win. We had the chance to actually blow them out late in the 3rd quarter and made a few huge mistakes. If you can't see that, then you are in for a long road this season, and every season going forward. I pity that.
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19 minutes ago, Coffeedrinker said:
I'm glad he's doing this... it's the only way Orlovsky can be involved in a TD pass.
But in all honesty, I liked the break down and the explanation of how the D reads Ebron
I remember this game fondly. Very little to hope for that season, and we were going to get the #1 pick. But we weren't going to let the Houston Texans beat us in Indianapolis.-
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18 minutes ago, ClaytonColt said:
No offense to you but I never said Nelson lost the game. I'm just saying that one element of an overall poor running game within a lopsided offensive strategy which resulted in a loss doesn't float my boat. It's insignificant to me.
Our #6 pick playing well against an elite defensive tackle in his first start is insignificant...
I'm not intending on attacking your opinion, but that is kind of ridiculous don't you think? What is significant to you? What floats your boat, please share.
You did not say he lost the game, that is correct, my apologies. What you said was he didn't help us pick up any results. I think all of can agree that you are wrong on that. If it hadn't been for Quenton Nelson, there would have been zero offensive production in this game, because Geno Atkins and Carlos Dunlap would have had their way every play.-
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26 minutes ago, ClaytonColt said:
You could do if you liked, it would clearly be a more thorough overview.
Like I said though while QN chucking around a lineman is visually impressive I'm not going to get giddy about it while our longest run is 12 yards, we total 75 on the ground, Luck is throwing 50+ times and - most importantly - we're picking up losses.
When Nelson's brawling is helping us pick up results I'll be impressed by it. While it's just for show I can't help feel like it doesn't actually matter that much.
Clearly...Luck threw 50 times because Frank didn't value running the football when he could use quick hitters (that were very successful.)
No offense to you, but Nelson didn't lose this game. TY dropping a deep ball in the 3rd quarter did. Viniateri missing a key fieldgoal did. Jack Doyle fumbling the ball inside the 10 did. Andrew throwing an interception in the red zone did. Frank calling a run play on 3rd and goal from the 2 in the first half and settling for a fieldgoal did. Nelson's brawling did in fact help pick up results. In a season opener when teams like the Dallas Cowboys gave up 6 sacks, I think our offensive line performed mighty well, given who they were facing.-
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One of my favorite commentators is Dan Orlovsky on twitter. He breaks down film every week, mostly on teams exploiting mismatches on defense.
How refreshing to see this.
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3 minutes ago, Pelt said:
Couldn't catch the game this weekend, but I do have one question: Did Quenton ever get to introduce Geno to Earl?
Video above is about the best shot you are going to see..
I'm fairly certain he did a time or two on a few of his pancake blocks.
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Just now, NewEra said:
Hahaha the Debbie downers are hilarious....god forbid some fans see a glimmer of hope.
@DougDew apparently didn't see anything, he just read reports...
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38 minutes ago, DougDew said:
We also have a first round C, and reports are that Slauson played well.
So what you're saying is, when we spend a high pick on a T (like we should have), only then will the running game improve? Go figure.
No. What I said was we were playing with backup tackles. Reading comprehension is hard, I know.
37 minutes ago, DougDew said:I read where the running game stunk again. Just more confirmation that Tackles are the more IMPORTANT positions in an oline.
You read?? So you didn't watch the game?? I was there in prime seating, and I just reviewed film for 2 hours and the running game was night and day compared to what we have had in the past... with rookie runningbacks. Everyone in the building could see it. The two biggest mistakes we made was throwing bad screen passes when we should have ran the dang ball.
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3 hours ago, DougDew said:
And yet what was the team's average yard per carry?
3.4 with two second string tackles and 2 rookie runningbacks... against a top tiered defensive front. I didn't say the whole line played great, did I? But if you couldn't see holes that haven't been there the past several years, you need to visit your optometrist. Nice try to be a * though.
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5 hours ago, ClaytonColt said:
It's a very impressive show of strength against a top tier player.
Overall I hope this isn't a theme for our season though. Celebrating one very good highlight which made a questionable impact on the result of the play while Luck has to throw 50 times and the team overall is picking up losses rather than wins.
I can go back and break down an entire series or two for you, as he had several...
This one stood out for sure, but it was one play of many that Quenton Nelson was impressive Sunday.
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1 minute ago, BOTT said:
Killed him.
If you're reading this Q, don't take any chances on Sunday. Just Rip their damn head off.
Give the guy some credit. He is well deserving of the "Earl Gray" nickname.
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3 minutes ago, #12. said:
I didn't think he owned him either.
On this play, you don't think he owned him? What else could he have done?
I didn't mean in general, although he handled him very well, especially for a rookie. Atkins makes top tiered veteran guards look bad often. He hardly did that against Q.
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14 minutes ago, MPStack said:I’m pretty sure that Nelson is going to be really good, but G. Atkins had a pretty good game overall. I’d also say Atkins won the match up in this game.
I would thoroughly disagree with you. He largely took Atkins out of the game, so much that they started flipping more often to get a better matchup for him. Q was taking on two defenders at times, and he flattened at least 4 by the end of the first half. Pff downgraded him on several things apparently, particularly his struggles getting to the next level and pulling (which are two of his better traits.) I haven't seen a score, but I dont put much weight into their scoring either. I think he is having to adapt to the speed of the nfl, as there was a time or two that he looked off guard with guys coming so quickly off the ball, but he quickly regained his composure and held his ground. This was a tough regular season rookie opener against a top notch defensive tackle and end, with a backup left tackle to have to assist... and the franchise qb coming back after 20 months.
Big assignment, and he aced it given all the variables, in my opinion.
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3 minutes ago, AZColt11 said:
I'm excited. I know I know, you don't draft a guard that high. Well.......what if you do and then you draft the tackle high the following year? Talk about building a line!
Easiest way to run the football better. We are getting there... Let these guys develop, and people are going to wake up and realize the Colts aren't messin around anymore...
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I watched film tonight, with an added focus on Nelson. On this particular play, Atkins lined up in a 1 tech on the opposite side of Kelly. Kelly went straight to the middle linebacker, while Q came down to pick Atkins up on a trap play. Drove him back a good 5 yards and this was the finishing touch on a 12 yard run from Wilkins.
Color me impressed. This guy took care of business, for the most part, against the #2 interior defensive lineman (imo next to Donald). This guy is going to be a nightmare for defensive tackles and defenses to gameplan against very soon.
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2 minutes ago, PrincetonTiger said:
Not quite
I was kidding.
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2 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:
Hes a 3-4 DE... he’s not very fast or twitchy... he’s not much of a pass rusher.... he can make tackles around the line of scrimmage, but he’s not known for penetration or pressure in the backfield.
Im a Stanford fan... love Henry... but he was clearly not a scheme fit.
Just now, PrincetonTiger said:I say the same I said about Simon
Square Peg Round Hole
Easy with the intellect here fellas... He CLEARLY could have played in any scheme on any team. Everyone here agrees with me.
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42 minutes ago, IinD said:
Thank heavens we didn't take Leaf. We would've been the NFL version of the Blazers passing on Michael Jordan back in the day.
Safe to say there would be no "we"...
"We" would be the LA Colts by now.
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Quenton Nelson owns Geno Atkins
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