tonychen
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If we are going to hire a scout I would much rather be it Mel Kiper. Lol
or we should not let chris polian go.
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Watching the game I just could not help thinking why they even have kickers in college football. These kids should give the roster spots to other players and teams are better off going for 4th down and 2 pts every time.
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deserves better than Freeny
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You are what your record tells you are.
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His is a DE of our system but without Manning building a lead he is less valuable than Mathis.
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I agree this is about Chris too...funny not a word of him by Irsay in that press conference. I believe Irsay had his doubts about Chris long term and did not want to see Bill keep doing less and less. This season just provided the opportunity to start new since Bill was going anyway.
His not having a word about Chris is a sign that in his own mind the guy does not deserve to be his GM and mentioned.
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Why would spending $5.5 mill a year on a backup QB, have us 'wallow in mediocrity'?!?!!? Is that $5 that much more important than the $3.5 Addai was/is getting? Or Brackett? Do we even want to get into Freeney? Or is this not monetary based?
Addai's contract looks like a huge mistake, especially in this year Brown showed he was a much more explosive runner. But when they were working on the contract they assumed there were no RB better than Addai in picking up blitz and protecting the QB in this system (which was true). Unfortunately there was no Peyton Manning to protect.
Poor Polians are having a tough year.
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From what Luck said in his postgame interview yesterday he had no issue playing for a team with the worse W-L record, while he would not be as happy if he was asked to sit and wait.
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The question is not can they co-exist, but should they. I don't think it's in Manning's, Luck's, or the Colts' best interest to have both on the team.
Correct.
For Manning, he wants to play for SB rings instead of teaching a young QB in the last 3-4 years of his career.
For Luck, he wants to play as soon as possible.
For the organization it would be great to have both QBs, but they have other issues that need to be addresses asap.
The best interest is to keep only one, and for the future decade it is better to trade Manning away for picks.
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excellent point
I don't know why fans assume the Colts will be superbowl bound if we get Manning back. The team still has holes, F/A's to re-sign, overpaid players, even possibly an entire new defensive philosiphy. It would put an even bigger burden on Manning.
Looking back into the decade Peyton Manning have played here I feel only the 05 team was close to "superbowl bound". They were unluckily eliminated and the football God compensated them by aligning every star in 06 and let a much worse team win the superbowl. Other years the team had obvious holes (not only one but many holes) that led them to the early exits they well deserved.
For a team to win playoff football, it is generally not your strength but your weaknesses deciding how far you can go. We know what kind of team we really have after this 2-14 season, and we understand why there were always issues here and there driving us out of the playoff: cannot covnvert short yardage, bad special team, cannot stop the run, etc.
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And choosing this timing to let go the Polians who are in a war against local media is also interesting.
If the team goes into rebuilding mode and Manning is no longer here, the entire Colts public image is taking a big hit and as an owner Irsay will need to find ways to keep the club moving forward and earn money. If keeping Manning for another 3 years and he does not win as many games, the team does not get anything from a possible trade, and the local fans will more than likely lose their interest in Colts football. If they decide to take Luck, there will be an entirely new marketing plan for pomoting the young star and draw people's attention for another decade or so. Of course the beginning couple of years will be filled with many Ls and Irsay will then need complete support from local fans and media. Polians just need to be sacrificed for pleasing their 'enemies' from this city.
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Well thats an aspect i never looked at. Interesting
Yes and this is one thing makes me feel the team is leaning toward trading him rather than keeping him.
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How much will it pain you to see Manning have success elsewhere?
I will be happy for him and this is what he deserves after lifting an inept team for over a decade. He should be given a chance to show what he can do with a better defense and running game.
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I happen to agree with the notion of keeping both qb's but if we trade the pick away we will have an abundance of pics to make us a real superbowl contender. And find Mannings replacement either this yr or next yr with draft picks we acquire from trading Luck
The thing is there has never been a more "sure thing" than Luck in a decade and it does not look like there will be any college QB as close as him to "replace" Manning (just nobody can ever replace him) coming soon. I would not be against the idea of trading Manning even if he is healthy. From what we have seen from Luck's reaction, it is not a big problem coming to a team lacking talent, while sitting might be a bigger problem for him.
It then makes perfect sense for Bill Polian to suggest to Manning he shoud delay his medical checking point to March, since every team needing a QB will keep an eye on how well he recovers. He should only show his status when he is 100% because it is not only an issue of Colts own QB but also a public issue affecting the next decade of the entire NFL. If Colts have decided to keep him, he should get onto the field asap and show how much he can do. Otherwise he should wait and not risk his own trade value.
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Jim Irsay said something very qick but interesting yesterday, I am not quoted him but close. He said the whole team needs to be on the same page to be a success and when he walks in the locker everyone needs to be on board. I took that as that maybe some of BP antics were wearing on some players. After all if you treat your external customers as he did, who knows how he treated the people he was over.
I agree and to support the opinion Caldwell has not been fired since his players like him and still fight for him no matter what. Not the case for the Polians I feel since the time they let Tryon go.
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I just never buy the idea of "sitting and learning from a great". Some people keeps taking Rodgers-Favre example and claiming Rodgers learn a lot from Favre, but from what we have seen Favre keeps finding ways to get back to the division and revenge I cannot assume it was a nice teaching-learning experience. Also it is pretty obvious the two play different types of football. If there is anything Rodgers learned from Favre, I would say it is "not to throw into tight coverage like Favre did and instead use the safer back-shoulder approach and timing routes".From what Luck said in the post-game interview yesterday, of course he said whatever situation he ends up in, he'll do the best as he can, but he also said he just wants a chance toplayprofessional football. The tone dose not sound like he will be excited for sitting and learning.Also keeping two franchise QB is a waste of resource especially when your team have many other positions needing to be filled. Not to mention the big FA contract decisions on Mathis and Wayne etc.
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I thought this long before the rumor mill. Lots of fans, including myself, were concernced about the long-term health of the organization long before the Kravitz bomshell article. In 2007 Bill started stepping back. it was the first time that we heard about Chris being resposible for a draft move that cost us a first round pick on Tony Ugoh. The rest was down hill.
Anyone who thought like I did saw that Chris needed to go. However, in the end Bill was a problem in his own right. Bill needed to go becuase he was starting to wind down and not tending to things as he had. Bill was becoming a public relations probem.
For Bill to become a public relations problem, he has been trying hard to defend the bad decisions by his son and protect his son's reputation. It just cannot work when they cannot back themselves up by winning.
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Colts fans are definitely losing a great GM that cannot be replaced easily in Bill Polian, but as far as it is Chris Polian making decisions, at least for now it is not that hard to find one better than him.
Everyone makes mistakes, and they learn from them and improve. Chris might have learned his lessons but it is not his but Irsay's team, and one bad season at the bad time is enough to let this young man leave. He might eventually become a very capable manager but who knows which team will give him a chance.
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Every time I watched Mike Shanahan defend the acquisition and bending of Mcnabb I felt sorry for him but understood it was the father helping the son. Poor fathers.
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Chris Polian, the son of a great NFL GM making lots of good decisions, has not done any better than this poor owner as well...
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If the father GM makes his son the GM and his son fails badly, of course the owner will say sth. Now here it is.
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From my point of view this entire firing is not about firing Bill Polian, the father and the ultimate NFL GM heading into the HOF, but about firing Chris Polian, the son and a young and below average GM promoted from a scout.
It is said that about 4 yrs ago Chris started to step in the personnel decisions. Almost from the same time we have suffered from inept draft selections in early rounds and we have seen Moore and Mudd 'retire' to get hired by other teams. Bill has been defending the picks/decisions in various circumstances, but he just cannot cover them up completely.
Honestly I don't think Chris' draft in 2011 was bad. Actually it could be the best since he started the business, and if things goes as usual he could have a couple of nice years to show he has improved into an eligible NFL GM. But he was unlucky Manning - the center piece of the system - went down. Thus the lack of talent thanks to his previous bad drafts have surfaced. Followed by a couple of bad decisions, e.g. getting Collins a big contract for 3 horrible games, the owner might already made up his mind to let Chris go.
A similar case is Mike Shanahan and his son Kyle. The later has been trying to show he is a genius by trying hard converting Rex Grossman into an elite QB, whick everybody knows will fail. There is no doubt Mike is a great coach, but once his top priority is to promote his son, it is only a matter of time to cost both of them their jobs.
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I am sure Bill Polian will quickly find a job, unless he insists to promote his son first.
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at that point they just did not want the game to go to over time, and they don't necessarily need to win that game. it really did not matter.
I pick the Texans to win the Bengals next week.
This Is Not About Bill But Chris
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I just dont get their direct motivation. Why against Tryon? Contract related?