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17 minutes ago, Chloe6124 said:
Point well taken, but Mahomes had over a 3:1 TD to Int. ratio and 8.3 YPA over his career. Love had 20:17, and was only HM All Mountain West this year. There’s gotta be a better reason than roster turnover at Utah St. to explain those #s. If he’s the #13 pick in the draft, he shoulda been a man among boys...-
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They view him as a mid-round prospect. Drew comparisons to Bortles and Christian Ponder. What’s more, they claim that NFL personnel people they talked to think this...
http://walterfootball.com/nflhotpress/article/Multiple-Teams-Grade-Jordan-Love-in-Mid-Rounds-of-the-2020-NFL-Draft-
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This is the scenario I fear the most - one where both Javon Kinlaw and Derrick Brown are gone, and fallback WRs Jeudy and Lamb are gone. Redrafting this one, I’d go:
1) Andrew Thomas
2) Justin Jefferson
Trade #44 down to #88 or so, picking up another 3rd rounder (‘cause that’s what Ballard does when he thinks other teams won’t value his choice as highly as he does.)
2) Jason Strowbridge, DT, North Carolina (to be the undertackle that Tyquan Lewis hasn’t developed into)
3) Logan Stenberg
3) Anthony Gordon
I’d be very disappointing not to get the stud DT I’d want in the 1st...
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55 minutes ago, MikeCurtis said:
My hope is that we have a vet QB or a Rookie QB to develop before 2020
A prevailing thought around the fan base, to be sure. I just don’t believe the vet option will happen - national speculation about Rivers or Brady is ridiculous IMHO. If CB wants a QB to start until a rookie (or even Chad Kelly) is ready, he’ll stick with JB. He’ll give you at least as much as a 40-something QB in decline. Plus, those two are j3rks, and Ballard loves his locker room too much... -
21 hours ago, MikeCurtis said:
I think we will find out CBs true feelings on Love in 3 months
Im split
He is a project.
A project that may turn out well, ....... or not
I dont see a lock in the kid
But..... he DOES some amazing things...... to go along with some poor decisions
I trust the scouting dept.......
Yeah, he’s not a bad prospect, but I think the comparisons to SB winner and former MVP Mahomes are limited to playing style only. Not so sure the free-styling, big play-producing (and turnover-producing) ways are what we want. I envision more of a QB that can avoid negative plays, allowing us to execute a Titanlike running offense. Avoiding sacks and not turning the ball over are two of JB’s best traits, which is one reason I doubt Ballard is done with him... -
2 minutes ago, Defjamz26 said:
Clear typo lol
Lol - sorry, I like to be a Richard - just ask my wife!
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19 hours ago, Defjamz26 said:
I’ve come to the conclusion that there is almost zero chance that Ballard comes out of this draft with a QB in the first 2 rounds. Here’s why:
-Ballard says the jury is still out on Brissett, but we all know that the verdict is in. The jury is never still out on elite QBs. And that’s what the Colts need. Ballard has already decided that he is going to upgrade Jacoby if the opportunity presents itself.
-He’s in prime QB drafting territory at 13 plus has additional ammo to move up. There are 4 QBs that experts have said are consensus 1st round picks. If you try and wait until next year you won’t have a shot at Lawrence and Fields unless you only win like 2-5 games. If not you end up having to trade a boatload of picks to move up
-Sticking with a mediocre QB for too long is how teams end up toiling away in obscurity for years. Ballard likely wants to find an answer quickly.
-I don’t think FA is an option. He’s a fan of building through the draft. Youth. He’s not bringing in a 37-40 year old for 2 years. Plus a veteran QB isn’t coming to sit on the bench. You’d have to move on from Brissett and I don’t see them doing that yet.
-More than enough info to suggest that he’s been looking at QBs for awhile now. It’s not smoke and mirrors.
-Brissett is not a fit for Reich’s offense. And we know Ballard takes scheme fit very seriously. He’s traded, released, and cut guys in the past for not fitting the scheme
- This team has playoff level talent. If he can add a QB now and let him sit, you can go into 2021 as a legit contender. And that seems to be his MO. Go into the season without glaring holes.
-Need an answer for Jacoby. It’s clear they don’t think much of Chad Kelly. So if Brissett starts to stink it up again, you need someone to come in and give you hope if you’re not eliminated from post season at that point
-It’s highly unlikely that Brissett will get better. He’s 27 and been in the league long enough to have developed. He’s hit his ceiling. You may win more games next season but not because Jacoby got better. He simply doesn’t elevate the team
Confusing - you say there’s no chance we draft a QB in the first two rounds, and your justification is a bunch of reasons we should... -
2 hours ago, hoosierhawk said:
No matter how much lipstick you put on the pig, you will never make it pretty.
I know, a lotta people Putin’ lipstick on a pig named Love...-
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Well, it seems I’m Alone Again thinking that It’s Not Love for us. In My Dreams, Brissett is Heaven Sent, but perhaps I’m being a Dream Warrior. For now, I’m a Prisoner (chained by Love), but I hope we’re Breaking the Chains come draft time and 2020 will have us all feeling we Just Got Lucky. (That was for you @Dokken -a big Don Dokken fan. That’s why this post makes no sense.)
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14 minutes ago, FalseStart said:
Minute 17:00 to 21:00...
Thanks for posting. I re-watched that portion, and it sounded quite a bit like he was alluding to needing better WR depth last year. If he sees that as a major reason for Brissett’s decline, one could see that part as a sign that he wants to give JB more of a chance...
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6 minutes ago, BleedBlue4Shoe86 said:
You are correct, but Ballard is super smart, even if he knows he will not draft a QB at 13, he won't say anything, you never know who might offer you a ton to jump up there and take someone.
True dat! My first round mock now has TB jumping ahead of us to get Love. It would help us out IMO...-
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5 minutes ago, stitches said:
Apologies to @Archer for being kind of deuchy.
No apologies necessary! I said I could take it. I think we’ve had two Franchise QBs fall into our laps, and maybe we don’t realize how hard it is to find and develop one. I wouldn’t mind having someone like Love on the roster developing, but I think many people have talked themselves into believing he’s a Franchise QB. Bad value at 13, and most years there’s something way better in that 2nd tier...-
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28 minutes ago, lennymoore24 said:
Interesting perspective. I would say this. It is easy to play QB when you have a dominant offensive line and running attack. Look over the years at guys like David Garrard on the Jaquars. Or even back to Trent Dilfer winning Super Bowl with Ravens. I think any mid level QB would have have had Colts at 5-2 at that point. I don't think Brissett was good and then he got bad. I think he was always below average.
I’ve been thinking about this too since Tennessee’s playoff run. A dominant run game and a quality D can take you far. On O, what we were lacking last year to implement that kind of strategy was a passing game that could take advantage of those times that Ds stuff eight men in the box. If someone blames that all on JB, then I see why he may want him gone. But, JB does two things really well for that game plan - he takes care of the football and doesn’t take negative plays. If he didn’t have a knee injury and zero productive WRs in the second half of the season, I’d be ready to dump Brissett too. But as of now, l want to make sure we’re not wasting an opportunity with him. Also, Love would be a QB for a totally different type of system. He may be a big play maker at QB, but that’ll lead to turnovers, like he had tons of last year... -
Need...so subjective. It seems like our decision will come to the following fallers (setting aside a panicked grab for a QB):
DT: Brown or Kinlaw. If we wait until Round 2, we can get Gallimore or Madubuike.
WR: Jeudy or Lamb. If we wait until Round 2 (or maybe later), we can get Aiyuk, Mims, or Van Jefferson. Lots of good options throughout the draft, but with diminishing value, of course.
OT: Thomas, Wills, Wirfs, Becton, or Austin Jackson. If we wait until Round 2, we can get: Wanogho, Trey Adams, Peart.
Seems like the riskiest of these three needs to wait on is OT. If Wanogho is gone in the 2nd, you may end up with no clear successor for Castonzo (who I think will be back for perhaps his final year). WR: easy to find someone who will help if we pass on one in the 1st. DT is in between: we can get someone who will help in the 2nd, but he wouldn’t be anyway near as impactful as Kinlaw or Brown. Ballard wants a dominant DL.
Of course, if we take a QB, then we’ll just have to live with the consequences...
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I’m starting to think that Ballard might do the boldest thing we could think of at QB: absolutely nothing.
We know he loves Brissett. After seven starts, JB’s Colts were 5-2, and CB was looking smart because JB looked like an above-average QB. Then, the knee injury happened, Hoyer couldn’t hit the broad side of a barn, and the JB looked very poor when he returned.
So, next year, does JB look like his first seven starts or his last seven starts? I bet Ballard’s as curious as we are. But, wait! There’s more! Apparently, CB loves him some Chad Kelly. If we end up getting latter-day Brissett, maybe Kelly in Season 3 is ready to be the man. If either of those things happen, then CB can look like a genius for filling other needs well in the first two days of the draft.
Also, as someone here pointed out recently, Hoyer’s true value may be in helping JB prepare for games (and possibly help in game day adjustments). If that’s the case, anyone we draft would probably not make the team, as we already have three expected to make the roster. So, why even draft someone late? I’m finding this scenario increasingly likely. And with everyone assuming we’re after a QB, it would indeed be a bold course of action.
Feel free to tell me how much of an 1d!0t I am - I can take it!
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I think you should have put a couple of OTs on that list. I bet that’s higher on CB’s draft priorities than DE. Good place for some fallers too - Wirfs, Wills...heck, I see some mocks that have Thomas falling to the benefit of Wirfs, Wills, and even Becton.
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1 hour ago, WoolMagnet said:
My fraternity nickname may say different.....
jokes aside, my undergrad was at Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University. So, we have the aircraft thing in common too.
The airforce would “weed out” the cream of the crop at my school. Lots of ex-military were in classes too. My first roomate was in the Marine Corps. He flew with vice president Bush (under Reagan) all the time. He was the guy that stood at the base of the steps to the helicopter. He was the best grocery coupon shopper i’ve ever seen too.
Yeah, my dad was from a small coal-mining town there in Schuylkill County. Took a flying class (light aircraft) while at Bucknell, and it scared the hell out of him. So he knew he had to conquer that. Took summer classes to get his degree and was flying fighters by age 23. Went to Korea when the Pueblo was taken, flew over the Caribbean during the missile crisis, and volunteered for a year in Vietnam. Always sounded way more fulfilling than my job...-
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1 hour ago, WoolMagnet said:
I had the last laugh tho with the 3.92 from Bucknell.
Hey, my dad went to Bucknell! I’m sure he didn’t have a 3.92, but he was way cooler than you - spent 26 years flying fighter jets in the USAF....-
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19 hours ago, BleedBlue4Shoe86 said:
Okay so let’s look at Ballards comments on Chad Kelly on Dakich:
Dakich: The fans really wanted Chad Kelly to get a shot. Is Kelly in any type of future plans?
Ballard: "Let me tell you this: he's got some natural playmaking to him. Here's my deal with Chad, because I heard the clamoring, too — my kids. I mean, they love Chad; they love Jacoby, and they love Chad. I mean, Chad had earned trust. I'm not talking about on the field — we had to trust him off the field. I mean, he had screwed up a few times to where, 'We're your last shot here, son. So you're we're gonna have some guidelines here about what you have to do, and you've gotta earn trust.' And first time we cut him, he had this look of, 'You're cutting me?' I'm like, 'Damn right I'm cuttin' you. And you're gonna go to the practice squad and you're gonna continue to work, you're gonna continue to do the things we're asking you to do.' Do I think he has a future in the league? Yes. Does he continue to have to earn trust each and every day? Yes."
First, so I have long felt that Kelly would not take JBs place this previous season and would gladly call out anyone who did. I feel like after hearing this, it confirmed what a lot of us thought, this year was about Kelly showing he could be a good teammate and stay in line. That was it. It was never about him actually seeing the field.
Second, I think this could also confirm that we might just be in for a draft of building D-line and getting weapons. Then taking a QB in the mid rounds, maybe 3-4 range. Why do I say that, when asked about Kelly, Ballard said he had a future in the league and was a natural playmaker. I could see Ballard believing he can roll with Brissett, Kelly and Rookie. Let them battle it out in training camp and see what happens. He could view Kelly as better than any other QB that would be available to us. Could all be conspiracy, but definitely now feel that a very least Kelly will be on this roster next year unless he gets in trouble this offseason.
What do y’all think?
guy on left No chance. Guy on right looks the part of NFL QB.
This is my exact belief about the QB position this off-season. Kelly and 3rd rounder are the future as soon as Brissett proves they are better options... -
18 hours ago, WifiGuy said:
If there is a decision between who to keep Hoyer or Kelly. Kelly will be gone.
Many of you dont realize that Hoyer was brought in to help mentor JB, help him prepare for games, give advice. Boggles me that most of you believe he was brought in to actually take snaps in anything other than an emergency
I don’t know. Hoyer was unable to fulfill his primary duty last year - guide us to a win in the starter’s absence. Against Miami’s terrible D, we weren’t able to get anything going at home. At one point Hoyer was 2 out of his last 10 in that game. A lot of water still to go under the old bridge, but Hoyer could be SOL pretty early next year if we have two other backup QBs showing anything at all... -
Love it - I actually have the same order of positions drafted with our first four selections. But I agree with others that it’s a little optimistic. I worry that Kinlaw will not be there at 13, and most mocks have all three of your 2nd rounders in the 1st..
But, I love your priorities, and I like Love more in the 2nd than @ 13, as many have it. I could stomach the pick much better after getting a DT, OT, and WR...
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Re-Sign: Castonzo, Haeg, Jonathan Williams
Sign: Jadeveon Clowney
Draft:
1) Javon Kinlaw, DT, South Carolina. Never know how high to take SB risers. I first thought he was a Top-10 shoe it, but most mockers have him still available. When you look at the potential run on OTs ahead of us, maybe that’s right.
2) Prince Tega Wanogho, OT, Auburn. Castonzo can help train his replacement for a while, which I think he’d dig.
2) Van Jefferson, WR, Florida. Another SB riser. Reich likes to be multiple. What we don’t have is a young magician of a route runner.
3) Anthony Gordon, QB, Washington St. seeing lots of things saying SB proved him to be a 5th - 7th rounder with a weak arm. I see his slow velocity to be a function of his snap release. For now, I think we can get him in the 3rd but no later.
4) Jonah Jackson, OL, Ohio St. I thought our lack of OL depth would be our undoing last year, but no starter missed a start. Jackson has a Ballard story (as did Gordon), and he’d provide depth at OG and C.
5) McTelvin Agim, DT, Arkansas. Came down to him, S Jeremy Chinn, or a TE. Something went downhill with Autry this year, and Tyquan Lewis was often a healthy scratch. Something tells me we need a second athletic DT.
6) Steven Sullivan, TE, LSU.
6) Jared Madden, S, Alabama7) Jordan Johnson, C, Central Florida.
Top UCFA: Camryn Bynum, CB, California -
On 1/25/2020 at 5:57 PM, HarryTheCat said:
I would rather endure another season of JB than invest a pick -- any pick -- in Love. Come to think of it, I'd rather get a root canal every week, without anesthetic, than see Love under center for the Colts.
Overstated but I agree based on his likely draft position. His upside is high, so I might have to rank him above some other QBs like Gordon, but when considering the opportunity cost of the draft pick, I’d MUCH rather have Gordon in the 3rd than Love at #13. I don’t EXPECT either QB to become a franchise QB, so I’d much rather use #13 on Kinlaw, Lamb, Austin Jackson, or someone else that fills a big need, and go into the 2020 TC with Brissett, Kelly, and Gordon (and Hoyer, lol) as our QB options...
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I tier them thusly:
Tier 1 (Franchise QB) - Burrow, Tua, Herbert
Tier 2 (potential solid starter) - Eason, Love, Gordon, Fromm
Tier 3 (Developmental) - Morgan, Montez, Hurts, Stanley, Huntley, etc.
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you may be right. FWIW, I realized Josh Allen was a similar prospect in this regard - same conference even. Looked him up, and in 2017 he had 6.7 YPA, 16:6 TD to Int, and was an HM All Mountain West. And he looked really good for the Bills this year. But, for the record, I hated him as a Top-10 prospect too...