Gonzo
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If the spread is 21 the over/under must be ~24.
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I respect the opinions of a pro scout, but I'm just not completely sold based on what I've seen. They talk about squeezing passes to receivers against Notre Dames tight coverage and that first TD pass was a beauty, but what I remember most from the game is a running game that ground the Irish front 7 (8?) into mushy red paste and giant athletic TEs causing matchup nightmares in the seams.
It's hard to watch him and be blown away. He doesn't have the laser rocket arm, he's not especially big or fast. As fans the only information we have about his real standout qualities are through second hand scouting reports. That will worry me until I see him making his first (and hopefully only) start next year in week 4 of the preseason.
This article was linked from the OPs article. It highlights some of the concerns the minority of us have about Luck.
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was listening to espn radio and they were saying usc had the best skill position players in the country. don't watch enough college ball to know, but that's what they claimed. and after watching stanford a couple times, i didn't see all this talent some were talking about...but what do i know?
Stanford is ranked #4 in the nation. Surely they must have some talent.
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Not hating, I like Donald Brown, he ran well. But it shows how far we've sunk that we're excited about 14-80 and 1 TD. Almost 100 yards total if you count his single reception.
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People are just jumping on the hater bandwagon while he's struggling. Kind of like Carson Palmer his last year in Cincy or Kurt Warner in New Jersey. Palmer hasn't proven himself yet, but I think he'll emerge as a top QB again and Warner obviously led the Cardinals to the SB after escaping the Giants.
He's having an off year, way too soon to call him done.
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Barkley smoked UCLA thats for sure.
Landry Jones had a subpar game and RGIII got banged up and I think missed the 2nd half of his game. IMO.... Barkley is now firmly entrenched ahead of those 2 guys.
I guess the big question now is will Barkley enter the draft?
If he doesn't USC is a monster next year.
Good point. Is USC BCS eligible next year? He could stay for a chance at a championship and to have a better shot @ #1 overall in the draft.
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Nice game by Luck. The first TD was a big time NFL throw. That interception was a pretty weird pass, threw the screen right into the line? It was good for Stanford that ND couldn't take advantage, but I don't think it would've mattered. Notre Dame was outmatched. The game didn't feel as close as the final score.
Incredible game by that Stanford O-line. They manhandled what I thought was a decent D-line. 42 carries for 196 yards.
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New England will not face a 3rd down until the 4th stringers are in last in the 4th when we are down by 70.
But at least Caldwell will find things we can work on. This team's a work in progress.
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jesus christ this is my last post arguing this cause it has no point. You keep saying that i bring his regular season like to make him look good and fail to bring his playoff record...you should read my posts, its good to argue when you know you are talking to the right person...I, IN NO WAY BROUGHT THAT. thanks!
second, it looks like you are just trying to see what you want to see and everybody else is wrong..."pollian drafted smallish and less athletic players". as i already said, have you bother to look at those bills teams? that is not %100 Pollian, he brings the players to the system the coach is using. Tony Dungy and howard mudd liked those kinds of players, there is no woner why our OL looks MUCH bigger than it used to be. thats a fact. another fact is that none of those bills teams were "small". another fact is that now that howard mudd is with the eagles, you can tell he is already making his mark: they brought a much smaller C, 6 -2 282, to replace their longtime, 6 -3 ~320, he also tried using our own DeVan to solidify that ol but andry reid overruled him (and i would know since i have a cousing who lives in philly and is a die hard eagles fan).
My point is not to kiss pollians youknow what, im all for critizism but some critizms looks personnall with him, not on the team, like looking for every possible excuse to send him to heck, just like pure hate for the guy. i get it, he is a big SOB, but you dont hire/fire a GM for beeing the perfect moral guy, you fire//hire him for hsi job, and most of the attacks he gets here are either irrational or personnal.
+1 I had forgotten what those Bills teams looked like.
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At this point I'm kinda just hoping we manage to cover the spread.
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That would be great and maybe someone that is at the game could post it some how for those of us that aren't there. If Payton is able to do so that is.
I wouldn't worry. If that happens it'll be on ESPN all year day. Let's hope.
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I'm quite confused......
I'm quoting Polian stats. [Hint - look at the OP subject]
You're talking QBs.
Apples or oranges - which shall we discuss?
Yeah, but QBs play in SBs. GMs sit in the box and twiddle thumbs.
If a GM can't put together talent to get to the postseason thats his fault. If a team can consistently power through a weak division and then consistently lose the first playoff game as soon as the competition gets fierce that could be considered the fault of the GM. If a team makes the playoffs, wins a minimum of two playoff games to earn a trip to the Super Bowl and then loses you congratulate the GM for building a championship caliber team.
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I don't know how people can blame the GM for Super Bowl losses. A GMs biggest impact is in the offseason, once the games are being played it's pretty much out of his hands...
Blame Polian for hiring Caldwell, blame him for some recent draft misfires, blame him for this current wretched season. Maybe even blame him for all the early playoff exits. But making it to 6 championship games is an accomplishment for any GM, regardless of how many they won.
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You can aleviate the pain by having the surgery but you may not regain the full nerve regeneration and the arm strength needed for being a laser rocket throwing QB in the NFL. I honestly don't think anyone will know what Manning will be able to do until after the season ends and I do think that Maning will push his bonus back just to give the team time to figure out if he will be healthy again or if they need to take that next QB. We all want to hope that Manning makes it back but we all know how this team operates under secrecy and it is possible the fans will have no idea up to the day of the draft. I wish him well because I want to see his talent on the field in a Colts uni for another 4 years or so but I also hope he can lead a normal life after the game too.
You can aleviate the pain by having the surgery but you may not regain the full nerve regeneration and the arm strength needed for being a laser rocket throwing QB in the NFL. I honestly don't think anyone will know what Manning will be able to do until after the season ends and I do think that Maning will push his bonus back just to give the team time to figure out if he will be healthy again or if they need to take that next QB. We all want to hope that Manning makes it back but we all know how this team operates under secrecy and it is possible the fans will have no idea up to the day of the draft. I wish him well because I want to see his talent on the field in a Colts uni for another 4 years or so but I also hope he can lead a normal life after the game too.
Completely agree. But the point of the study is that 72% of all NFL players undergoing surgery for CDH (including the ACDF procedure performed on Manning) evidently recover enough to allow a return to action. Considering that the cause of the pain and weakness is damage or at the very least significant pressure on the nerves impacted by the herniated disc is the reason why surgery is performed in the first place it's very reasonable to infer that some form of nerve regeneration is the reason why those players could return to play again.
It's still very possible that Manning just won't heal in the way that many players are able to. A little more then a quarter of players don't. I just wanted to share an unbiased peer reviewed article on the subject of Mannings surgery to bring a bit of optimism to this otherwise bleak and dreary season.
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Is that not the whole point of performing the surgery in the first place? I doubt NFL players are having elective surgery on the spine because the scars look cool...
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http://www.aaos.org/news/aaosnow/nov10/clinical2.asp
Nearly 3 out of 4 (72 percent) of NFL players who were treated surgically for CDH returned to play and continued to play in an average of 29.3 games over a 2.8-year period after surgery.“What was surprising was that the position you played mattered,” Dr. Hsu said. “Defensive backs seemed to be overrepresented in the population.” Outcomes for the defensive backs were significantly poorer compared to other positions. Among defensive backs who sustained CDH and were treated surgically, just half (6 of 12) returned to play. They participated in 17 games over a 1.85-year period. Of the 19 defensive backs who sustained CDH and were treated nonsurgically, just 7 returned to play, and their careers were limited to just 6 games in less than 1 year.Surgical treatment was defined as “a 1-level anterior cervical discectomy and fusion (ACDF), posterior foraminotomy, or indeterminate”Considering these numbers aren't controlled for who is receiving the surgery (career backups/special teamers vs. hall of fame ironman starting QBs), that the 72 percent of players returning includes the dismal numbers for defensive backs, and that (not included in this summary article I've linked but in the actual peer reviewed article itself) punters and quarterbacks have the best rate of return in the study, there should be some optimism that Manning can return and play at a high level.
It's possible Manning will never play again. But I don't think it's very likely.
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He's not that old,28.I just think he has Chris Weinke written all over him,good college qb,overaged,not so good pro qb.Blackmon is the real deal,probably inflates his stats a lot.
Agreed on all points.
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Figures. Playing Dan Orlovsky gives us a chance at being part of history, figures they'd look the other way.
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143 catches. 20 more then second best season for receptions in NFL history. That's just a staggering accomplishment, and it's only one of his many, many impressive seasons. It'll be tough for him to get into the Hall because of the backlog of receivers in front of him and the line of big number guys behind him, but it really shouldn't be.
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Kind of like Manning vs Florida, huh?
Sure. But the fact that Manning couldn't get it done against Florida was hardly a selling point. It was a legitimate cause for concern, we drafted him first anyway and it worked out. Maybe the same thing happens with Luck.
He'll probably have a successful NFL career given the sheer number of people who know significantly more about football then I do who say it'll happen. But hey, I thought the same would be true for Tim Couch. And so did alot of experts who knew significantly more about football then I do.
Huh? He throws a pick six with the game winding down, which would probably ment game over for most college QB's. But instead Luck comes back out, shruggs off the pick six and drives his team down the field for a tying TD to send the game to OT I believe. That is what makes Luck different, he has the mental abilities (very much like Peyton) and the physical tools to be a possible good to great QB in the NFL.
Same deal. It's nice that he rallied them, but it's generally more impressive to not throw a pick in the first place. His poor play in the first half almost cost Stanford against an inferior 6-5 Cal team. He's won alot of games. If we draft him I'll be his biggest fan. But I'm not convinced that he's our best move at this point.
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Also: In before the move to NFL draft section!
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Luck plays for a top 10 team. I'm not buying the poor mr. luck has no talent around him argument.
I didn't see his heroics in the USC game and he still has opportunity to impress me against Notre Dame or in his bowl game. But even his staunchest supporters have to admit he looked less then the dominant once-in-a-generation prospect he's been said to be against Oregon and Cal.
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Nobody wants Weeden. We want Blackmon, not his ancient QB.
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Barkley or Blackmon. Get some extra picks AND add the QB of the future or pick up a dynamic weapon for Manning and whoever his predecessor ends up being.
Polian's Superbowl Record
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I'm not ready to throw Polian under the bus yet. I think this team is much better then the record indicates, we've just executed poorly almost every game. If Caldwell gets credit for anything it's consistency. If he fails to fire Caldwell he and his son will be on thin ice.
6 conference championships is nothing to sniff at though. The Bills and Panthers have done very little since he left.