Gonzo
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What's the cap hit for cutting him? If he won't renegotiate is it worth keeping him for one year rather then cutting him and paying for yet another player not on the team?
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you can never arbitrarily end discussions...it is the nature of the beast
I know so little about Avery.....dont ever remember seeing him play
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He ran a 4.2 40 at his pro day a few years back.
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Bunch of rookies in the front office now.
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It'll make my skin crawl, but I'll wear an 18 Broncos jersey. And if Tebow gets traded to Jacksonville it'll be like Manning's still helping us win the AFC South.
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How well can he backpedal?
How well can Mathis backpedal? I think they both can make the transition, I don't get why everybody thinks Mathis can while Freeney will fail. They've both been ends for the past decade. The Colts can blitz them both from anywhere now without resorting to all the useless stunts we used to use. Hopefully they aren't useless in coverage, but they're both extremely athletic.
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We have very few good players left at this point. Freeney should be as capable as Mathis at making a position switch, we're not gonna replace our franchise passer and pass rusher in one offseason unless Irsay's eager to field the equivalent of an expansion team in 2012.
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Mark just let it go
I remember late in the season, everyone wrote Manning off from playing the 2011 season except you and you insisted he would come back the last week. You're grasping at straws. He is not coming back. Everyone else for the most part is excited about the off season talking about free agents, other teams moves, potential free agents and then there is this.
But Mark's talking about the best FA on the market right now. ;) Nothing wrong with a little optimism. It'd probably be the Colts best chance for success in 2012, if not down the road.
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Garcon would have made more sense for a rebuilding team due to his youth and talent, but that didn't work out. Wayne makes for a great fallback option.
Wayne wasn't the number 1 receiver last year. If someone had offered Wayne 5 years at 8 mil per, he would have taken it. Glad he's back, don't get me wrong, but the Colts suddenly gave Wayne 3 years at what they were reported to have offered Garcon for 5 years, but not before Garcon signed with the Skins.
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Playoffs!? Playoffs? Who said anything about playoffs!?!?! I just want to win a game!
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Denver would be a great spot for Manning. Big cap space to lure free agents, good defense, and Tebows trade value will never be higher. It'll be nice if the donkeys can fleece the Jaguars out of a first rounder or two for Tebow.
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It may not happen. He's generating so much interest as is we may not see new video of him throwing until minicamps, if even then.
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Your pure Manning homerism is clearly making you blind regarding what people are saying. Take your blinkers off and read everything carefully!
I think all three could work, but I agree #2 is the best option. We can still build a strong roster over the next few years and get a QB (not Luck) to grow behind him.
It's amazing to see the vote results on this thread considering all the anti-manning campaigning going on. I guess the Pro- luck group is like most small political groups:
Loud: but really not that much support behind them
Seems like a pretty accurate assessment of the available data from the very unscientific poll at the top of this thread. C may seem like they most likely thing to actually happen, but it doesn't appear to be what most Colt fans want, at least on this board.
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I think that he can play in to his "early 40s" due to the extent to which his game is cerebral. He doesn't need to be able to throw the ball 60 yards on a line to be effective, nor does he need to be all that mobile in the pocket. He could lose mobility and still be more elusive that Kurt Warner in is prime. He just needs his brain, a good oline, accuracy, and a decent release. (And even his famed quick release likely has a lot more to do with his brain and his mechanics than with physical ability). We may not see 2004 again statistically, but the man could be winning football games for a LONG time. I just hope it's with the Colts.
Hey, where did all the "Peyton is DONE" posters go this morning.
They'll be back by Thursday if the worst case scenario comes to pass.
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Tell that to Jerry Rice the cap is what made the 49ers let him go...
Not saying we can't cut Manning. I'm just saying we can keep him. If he's healthy and the Colts want him the cap is not an issue, particularly with the rookie cap being what it is.
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You always have room under the cap for a hall of famer.
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Oh, by the way, for all my fellow Internet stalkers out there...
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Right then lets be brutal, Colts need to cut Manning whatever and start Luck. Andrew Luck does'nt need to sit a year or 2 it will not be of any any benefit to him. Yes Rodgers blah blah blah but he was not as ready as Luck is now. If you sit Luck for a couple of years it will be a total waste! Didn't Manning himself say that the best way to learn is to play. Sorry but its time to move on
If Luck is incapable of earning the job without cutting a player already on the roster maybe he's not the right guy for the squad?
How about we draft him and let him earn his way? At least it'll make the preseason worth watching.
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Looks like someone a team would throw a ton of FA money at or over-pay on a contract only to have skills diminish every month or so as age and health continue to take a toll.
If he takes them to a super bowl in the meantime I'm sure they won't mind. Manning is a special player who has relied more on the mental side of the game and pure hard work and discipline then natural physical attributes. If he gets his strength back there's no reason to believe he can't play till he's 40+ if he wants to. 4 seasons is a lifetime in the NFL.
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Definitely Peyton Manning.
He ain't dead yet.
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I hope it doesn't come off as "well informed pessimism"... I'm just trying to be honest. It drives me nuts how much press this gets with pseudo-medical jargon and anecdotal information, so that's my motivation to post.
Read posts I've made before to answer the questions in more detail (I think it's possible to search posts by a given user?). In short, his nerve was originally injured in spring of 2011 (I think April or May?). I realize he's had several surgeries, but that's when the injury began. With no personal ego stroking intended (this is a very humbling field, IMO), probably 80% of my practice is spine surgery. I don't believe I've ever seen a significant amount of weakness 10 months after an injury that later went on to improve to "normal". Most weakness from a cervical nerve compression either begins improving very soon (obvious with a few weeks) if it is "destined" to get back to normal. Whatever pace is established generally continues for 8-12 weeks and then tapers off to a plateau. I do believe maximal improvement is probably not reached until 12-18 months, but I also think that 80-90% of that improvement is pretty much established by 3 months. Yes, these numbers are opinion, and they are estimations that are mine only.
Surgery is what it is, but I've always felt that my daily challenge is determining who can be helped with surgery, what the exact goals are, what the chances are of achieving those goals, and what the risks and alternatives are. I think pretty hard about this stuff, because if I were in this situation as a patient that's exactly what I'd want to know about.
Peyton is getting a raw deal here, but think about how many regular people in life lose their $30k jobs because they can't go back to work at a labor-intensive job, and on top of that now have substantial medical bills even if they are lucky enough to have insurance. And those people don't often have a viable backup plan.
Didn't mean that first bit to come off as insulting, though it does read that way. Sorry. I was honestly just asking for elaboration on what informs your medical opinion on this case and you provided that. I did call you well-informed.
Thank you.
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the SI article says that he had this "procedure" in Chicago with his original surgeon, so that would be Rick fessler. I would bet the bank it wasn't an epidural. fessler doesn't do those.
The si report is extremely vague and probably does represent a hippa violation by some tech aware of the case, I doubt it was an intentional leak by a major party involved.
I cannot glean any useful medical info out of the article other than the implication that manning has a pretty challenging neck. word among some peers is that he has substantial right sided cervical degenerative disease which may be the result of football and his style of play, but this is unsubstantiated and still vague, giving no useful prognosis in and of itself.
again I think the only thing that will matter is his arm strength... I do not think it is likely that it is dangerous for him to play, I just don't have high hopes that his arm power will be adequate.
It's nice that your well informed pessimism is grounded in the reality that there isn't enough public data for a firm conclusion. Could you elaborate on why you're not optimistic on his ability to regain arm strength? It certainly seems very possible that he'll never regain strength, I'm just curious what you're picking up on that leads you to believe this is likely?
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To be fair no matter the number of operations he is physically where he is right now, and that's what's in play.
Quoted for emphasis. It is what it is, he's healthy or he's not, whether he had 3 surgeries or 6.
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I hit the space bar 16 times while typing this sentence, not the previously reported 15 .
This changes everything.
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Even if we didn't have the first overall pick and had the 2nd overall instead, you would still hear all this talk. Just replace Luck's name with RG3
True, but people wouldn't be saying "OMG, RG3= best QB evar, he cannot sit on bench, plz to release star QB so can start" and the like.
I agree the talk would still be here, but the volume wouldn't be cranked to 11 as it is now.
Keep Them Guessing/irsay Says The Choice Between Rg3 And Luck Is "up In The Air" ((Merge))
in NFL Draft, Scouting, and Free Agent Talk
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By my calculations this gives us every pick in the draft for approximately the next 4 million years. If this opportunity comes along I suggest we take it, even if it means missing out on Luck.